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This. It’s a big statement for any rider - even moreso (pre-Wright) Rogla who will rather silently suffer than express his opinion. His team member (who obviously had in mind the press conf should be in English) sitting right next to him, mind you...
Was it a statement at a press conference or a simple, common sense response to a reporter? Anyone in JV management must know if he wins the Vuelta they'd better clear some space for next year's Tour if that's what he wants. If Jonas has problems and the Tour isn't theirs to win then that may seal the deal. Either way; nothing counts until the season's palmares are tallied. Gossip is gossip until then.
 
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The Jumbo + Roglič combo has been one of the most successful collaborations between a rider & his team in recent cycling history, for both (i.e. team & rider built something over years together). Zeeman was even in Ljubljana yesterday with Rog during the celebrations:

View: https://twitter.com/merijnzeeman/status/1670896786737692672


If there's ever a parting of ways it'll be totally amicable with zero hard feelings. If we're going to speculate about the future, for me the big question is actually the sponsor issue, i.e. a Dutch sponsor is not the same as an international sponsor in terms of priorities, like for example Jumbo aimed to do well in the Netherlands & Belgium with Dutch & Belgian riders. A prospective international sponsor might have different goals & will view the line up of riders differently.

It's stuff like that which can throw a curveball into any current realities which might be totally different in 12 months time.
 
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He needs to chafe at JV and Ayuso at UAE so next year the 5 best grand tour riders are on different teams and all go to TdF, along with a fully fit Bernal. HYPE.
 
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Funny bit of Trivia from yesterdays Giro celebrations. In the evening a football match between Slovenia and Denmark happened in Ljubljana. So naturally, a lot of Danish football fans came to the city. 3 guys rented bikes in the morning and the owner of the shop told them there is a celebration for Roglič Giro win in town that day. So they went there since they are also cycling fans and watched Giro on TV. Slo press got a small interview from them and one guy said, he rode with Jonas Vingegaard when both were 14 years old. He's comment was funny: "Jonas was not a good rider back then, but he exploded later on".

The other thing: did you know he ripped off and threw away the radio just before the chain dropped (on Višarje TT)? He said he didn't hear the team anyway since it was too loud and there are always marginal gains (radio weight: 200g).

The fall was bad. Skin was not a problem, but he developed a lot of pain during long stages. Pain was not there at the beginning, but it came after an hour or two and got worse towards the end. Luckily it was getting better every day bit by bit.

As i see the whole Roglič - JV - TdF saga is this: JV wants to win. A lot. So you need to spread your best riders to cover all the important races of the year. Putting all in one basket (TdF) since you already won it last year is too much. I think Roglič realised that too. Going for TdF every year, fail and then try Vuelta with less then ideal preparation is not really how you want this to go. You will end up with bunch of Vuelta wins (maybe) and that's it. So now after surgery went well and he can train 100%, they decided to target less races but those 100%. Giro + Vuelta double this year. I'm 100% sure, TdF is next years plan. With Vingegaard possibly but that's not a problem. I don't think Roglič can win it any way but hell, why not.

I'm actually dreaming about a certain scenario for a while that will never happen. But i would also say Giro final could never happen as it did.

TdF, 19 stages done. Stage 21 is just a flat parade kind of thing, with sprint finish. Stage 20 is the last one, where something can happen. It's a hard mountain day with the last steep climb (but not very long) and long decent to the finish. Pogačar is first with 30s advantage over Vingegaard. Roglič is more then 1 minute behind (not bad, uh?) and forgotten, since Vingegaard is in front of him. Remco got Covid and is out (just a joke, guys, just a joke).
Everybody thinks Pog and Vingegaard will duel it out for the win but since there is a dangerous descent to the finish, nothing will probably happen. JV makes a plan...but it's not for Vingegaard, it's for Roglič. The last stand before he retires and as a thank you for everything he has done.

The race starts and JV sends Tratnik in the break. When he reaches the top of the last mountain, he stops, steps from the bike and calmly eats something.
At that time the Peloton is still together and they start the last climb. Vingegaard attacts Pog. Pog responds. They run each other in the ground with this attacks. Roglič is still there, looking bad and barely following (wink). At the half of the climb, suddenly Kuss blitzes from the right with Roglič on his wheel. Huge all out attack! Vingegaard smiles to Pog and drops, Pogačar tries to connect with Roglič's wheel but he can't. Kuss drops and Roglič goes into mountain TT mode while Pogačar tries to catch up with him. When Roglič reaches the top, he holds 45s advantage over Pog. Tratnik smiles to Rog when he sees his old friend again, get's on his bike and both go down the mountain with incredible speed. Pog tries to close the gap, get's help from couple others in the peloton but Tratnik/Roglič duo are going all out, gaining time. 2km before the end Tratnik blows, Roglič is on his own again, doing TT of his life. When he reaches the end, he stops and looks back. Pog arrives 1 minute, 20s behind. Roglič wins the TdF. Then he crashes himself with champagne in hand on the last day - but let's forget about that one, eh?

Book it.
 
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The race starts and JV sends Tratnik in the break. When he reaches the top of the last mountain, he stops, steps from the bike and calmly eats something.
At that time the Peloton is still together and they start the last climb. Vingegaard attacts Pog. Pog responds. They run each other in the ground with this attacks. Roglič is still there, looking bad and barely following (wink). At the half of the climb, suddenly Kuss blitzes from the right with Roglič on his wheel. Huge all out attack! Vingegaard smiles to Pog and drops, Pogačar tries to connect with Roglič's wheel but he can't. Kuss drops and Roglič goes into mountain TT mode while Pogačar tries to catch up with him. When Roglič reaches the top, he holds 45s advantage over Pog. Tratnik smiles to Rog when he sees his old friend again, get's on his bike and both go down the mountain with incredible speed. Pog tries to close the gap, get's help from couple others in the peloton but Tratnik/Roglič duo are going all out, gaining time. 2km before the end Tratnik blows, Roglič is on his own again, doing TT of his life. When he reaches the end, he stops and looks back. Pog arrives 1 minute, 20s behind. Roglič wins the TdF. Then he crashes himself with champagne in the hand on the last day - but let's forget about that one, eh?

Book it.
Hahaah.. best fanfic ever.. love it :D..
 
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It doesn't seem like a rare rider opinion, does it? I mean, if you're capable of competing for a major win, in your later years why would you just stew in your juices and not attempt your goal?
It doesn't mean anything beyond that and as everyone is aware; they need more sponsors. So there's that too.
Actually I'm not so sure about that. There are couple of examples of riders publically announcing they might start looking for a new team, but not that many... Usually, everything happens behind closed doors and we only get to hear it once the deal is already made.

Was it a statement at a press conference or a simple, common sense response to a reporter? Anyone in JV management must know if he wins the Vuelta they'd better clear some space for next year's Tour if that's what he wants. If Jonas has problems and the Tour isn't theirs to win then that may seal the deal. Either way; nothing counts until the season's palmares are tallied. Gossip is gossip until then.
Ok since you are nitpicking - you do realise there are more meanings to "statement", right? One of them being making a point... Not that it's relevant in any way whether it was a "statement" or a "response"...
 
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Primož is hard of hearing. It's quite obvious looking at his body language...

first answer: no Tour this year:(

BUT! (second question) he says he wanted to go to the Tour after he completed the Giro but could not come to an agreement with his team. (I knew it! :mad: ). He believes it's possible to do the Tour/Giro double and he feels he could do it but would only see once he's actually racing if its possible or not.

Third question: Hopes he will be in a position to a Tour-Giro double sometime in his career again. (seems somewhat sad saying that)

Personal input: Hope TJV fails spectalularly this year...
Damn, I really hoped the decision would have been his to make. Especially with Kruijswijk out.

I think it also validates all the Giro-Tour discussion we've had in this thread.

At this point, I hope that Vingegaard will double up with the Vuelta as a second captain. Then have both of them scheduled Tour-Vuelta next year with Vingegaard number 1 in the Tour and Rogla number 1 in the Vuelta.
 
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Jonas is now the best GT rider on the team and if Roglic wants a chance at winning the Tour he’ll have to go elsewhere. It’s not really anything to be overly upset about. Jumbo has done a lot of great things for him and they have to be honest that they’re going to prioritize their most likely candidate for a Tour win.
Well, in the 21 Tour he was completely alone before he fell (or got squeezed by Colbrelli). Wout was looking for a stage win and the others were nowhere. In 22 he was left with just Laporte at the most important point of the race. We do not even know if Laporte managed to stay at the front at the point when Rog hit a hay bale (which of course is an accident, but it does not change the fact that JV were no supporting him as they should have). Now one might argue positioning and bad luck in general, but I do not think JV protected him as well as other teams protect their riders (even with worse teams, which in this case might even be an advantage because everybody is all in for the leader).
The only real shot he got at the Tour was in 20, but partly due to tactics early on and due to his bad final ITT he did not win.
 
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Roglic has certainly benefited from Jumbo...I don't know at what other team he could have done more, mainly because a lot of his bad moments in big races were due to crashes or something that was probably under his control (i.e. 2019 Giro, 2020 Tour). Having Kuss around has bailed him out a few times, too.

Look, Roglic is a phenomenal rider, easily the best of his "tween" generation, but IMO Jumbo has also been the best team for him. He's contracted thru 2025; not sure if that still holds up with potential change of sponsor. If the team falls apart after Jumbo leaves maybe he could go to Ineos or Bahrain and give the Tour another good shot but he'd be 35 by then...although maybe 30 in racing years...
 
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Your post has no basis in anything that’s being discussed here or anything Rogla said today. I even doubt anyone disagrees with what you wrote - it’s just that no one was claiming what you supposedly reply to…

What do you mean? I've just been skimming through the previous couple of pages and have read "co-leadership" and even "sole leadership" somewhere.
 
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Roglic already have in the past, many chances to win the tour france. He should blame himself for not being able to win the tour. He lost the tour to pogacar in the end of the tour, he is always crashing, what the hell he wants? Vingegaard currently is a better GT rider than him. So, obviously vingegaard legimately is the undisputed leader for this year's tour. Roglic cannot want solo leadership in the tour, or a team exclusively working for him in the tour, after vingegaard won the tour 2022.
If vingegaard loses this year's tour, maybe Roglic has a chance legimately of being the leader of jumbo at tour 2024. If vingegaard wins this tour 2023 again, the tour france for Roglic at jumbo it's over. He should move to another team.
Jumbo staff is doing the right things.

This.

Roglic just rode the Giro. Vingegaard has been focusing on the Tour all season and just dominated the Dauphne. There is no way that Jumbo can take Roglic to the Tour as co-leader. At best they could offer him a semi protected role/super domestique number 2 position.

I can see from Roglic' perspective that this would be offensive; I mean the man has won 4 grand tours. But Vingegaard's best is better now than his best.

If Vingegaard wins the Tour again and if Roglic wants to win the Tour, he should go elsewhere, like Evans did. Things can happen; he could win the Tour in 2024. In June 2010 Contador was a clear favourite for the 2011 Tour, with Andy Schleck not far behind. Basso was probably ahead of Evans in the pecking order. So it's possible, if he goes elsewhere (he can sit behind the Jumbo train anyway).

As far as Lombardia goes this year, I think it's less complicated taking 2 leaders to a one day race, especially in situations where there isn't a clear favourite (like Jonas is for the Tour).
 
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This is actually incorrect because he didn't get TdF leadership in 2019.

What was the order back then I dont remember... Did he want tour leadership didnt get it and therefor went to the giro or did he want tour leadership after the giro?
 
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What was the order back then I dont remember... Did he want tour leadership didnt get it and therefor went to the giro or did he want tour leadership after the giro?
He wanted the TdF lead, didnt get it so went to Giro
 
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He wanted the TdF lead, didnt get it so went to Giro
Was it the sole-leadership he wanted and went to Giro because he didn't want to share leadership with Kruijswijk?

In those days, TJV did not even prioritise GC results. I remember the Alpe d'Huez stage 2018 where Kruijswijk went on the attack and once the peloton cought up both he and Rogla were dropped by Thomas & co. After the stage - the one that cost them podium spot, TJV celebrated on their twitter the fact they got Groeneweggen inside the time cut. He had 4 domestiques to help him with that.
 
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Was it the sole-leadership he wanted and went to Giro because he didn't want to share leadership with Kruijswijk?

In those days, TJV did not even prioritise GC results. I remember the Alpe d'Huez stage 2018 where Kruijswijk went on the attack and once the peloton cought up both he and Rogla were dropped by Thomas & co. After the stage - the one that cost them podium spot, TJV celebrated on their twitter the fact they got Groeneweggen inside the time cut. He had 4 domestiques to help him with that.
Uh, Groenewegen didn‘t make the time cut on that stage and abandoned. The last teammate of his finished like 5 minutes ahead of the limit, probably because they gave up on Groenewegen very early in the stage, so I don‘t believe you.
Edit: you probably mean the stage before where Roglič lost about 40 seconds (he lost only a few on Alpe d‘Huez).
 
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Was it the sole-leadership he wanted and went to Giro because he didn't want to share leadership with Kruijswijk?

In those days, TJV did not even prioritise GC results. I remember the Alpe d'Huez stage 2018 where Kruijswijk went on the attack and once the peloton cought up both he and Rogla were dropped by Thomas & co. After the stage - the one that cost them podium spot, TJV celebrated on their twitter the fact they got Groeneweggen inside the time cut. He had 4 domestiques to help him with that.
They definitely did go for GC in 2018. That was probably the last real daring GC attack we've seen in the Tour (a podium contender just laying it all out there from I don't know how far out). I think Kruijswijk never really got credit for that. When he made the podium the year after he was considered a kind of Zubeldia, which isn't his nature at all.
 
Actually I'm not so sure about that. There are couple of examples of riders publically announcing they might start looking for a new team, but not that many... Usually, everything happens behind closed doors and we only get to hear it once the deal is already made.


Ok since you are nitpicking - you do realise there are more meanings to "statement", right? One of them being making a point... Not that it's relevant in any way whether it was a "statement" or a "response"...
Just trying to pierce the veil between and actual "statement", made by the interviewee or speculation on what someone thought he meant. The whole discussion on whether he'd leave JV is based on....apparently nothing confirmed.
Like the motorized bikes there's nothing firm about Roglic's JV status other than his actual statement posted on CN that he isn't racing until maybe the Vuelta. He's enjoying time off after his Giro victory....that he didn't use a motorized bike to win. Seems like a conclusive statement.
 
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Just trying to pierce the veil between and actual "statement", made by the interviewee or speculation on what someone thought he meant. The whole discussion on whether he'd leave JV is based on....apparently nothing confirmed.
Like the motorized bikes there's nothing firm about Roglic's JV status other than his actual statement posted on CN that he isn't racing until maybe the Vuelta. He's enjoying time off after his Giro victory....that he didn't use a motorized bike to win. Seems like a conclusive statement.
What do motorized bikes have to do with that?
 
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"Most likely I will do the Vuelta e Espana, that will be my next race." So is he or not? It's a bit unclear, but ... Gullién has already gone out and said thanks for coming (https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...llen-also-hopes-to-see-remco-evenepoel-return )

I think people should consider the (often) noncommittal way he words his sentences is precisely because there's always an outside possibility (even remote) something happens which disrupts these plans.

A crash in training. Illness. A team decision which makes the Vuelta impossible to race. Stuff like that (Vingegaard deciding he wants to be a fisherman instead of a pro cyclist in the next 10 days).

But as things stand & if everything goes according to 'plan', then yes he's doing the Vuelta. That's how I interpret his interview anyway.

PS: Gullién really does like Rogla & always treats him with great respect. He's the star of the Vuelta, basically.
 
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Just another topic of conjecture involving Primoz that has no actual confirmation from him or anyone. Except now he's leaning towards the Vuelta and he's on JV.
Look it’s really not that complicated. Basically Rogla said two things yesterday:
1. He wanted to go to the Tour but could not come to the agreement with the team. The level of his desire to go to the Tour or the details why they couldn’t come together are unknown.
2. If he feels he doesn’t have sufficient support from TJV in the future, he will leave

Now whether that was a statement, a response or whatever is completely irrelevant. It’s what he said and it’s a solid basis for our discussion and I really don’t see why we shouldn’t analyse different scenarios here.

What you mentioned is complete speculation without any proof or indication whatsoever. Not to mention it belongs to the clinic anayway…
 
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The planning of this season was crafted last winter. Primoz to go all in on the Giro, Jonas to go all in on the TdF.
Up untill now, everything went exactly according to plan!
I mean, I think we can all appreciate how rare it is for Primoz to hava a season that pans out just like they planned it (so far)?
It is completely understandable that Jumbo won't allow Primoz to ride the Tour just because he's feeling good after the Giro and wants to try the double on a whim. And I'm kind of a fan of the guy for chist's sake.

Next year? Sure, why not! I've seen some people arguing that if he ever wants to go for the Tour he should leave Jumbo. I don't agree. Next year they can go together again, why not? Just not in 2023. I also suspect Jumbo wants to see how Jonas manages as a sole captain this year.
 
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Look it’s really not that complicated. Basically Rogla said two things yesterday:
1. He wanted to go to the Tour but could not come to the agreement with the team. The level of his desire to go to the Tour or the details why they couldn’t come together are unknown.
2. If he feels he doesn’t have sufficient support from TJV in the future, he will leave

Now whether that was a statement, a response or whatever is completely irrelevant. It’s what he said and it’s a solid basis for our discussion and I really don’t see why we shouldn’t analyse different scenarios here.

What you mentioned is complete speculation without any proof or indication whatsoever. Not to mention it belongs to the clinic anayway…
3. He and the team have collaborated perfectly so far during his career, so there is no need to change anything right now.

He also said that to be honest.
 
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3. He and the team have collaborated perfectly so far during his career, so there is no need to change anything right now.

He also said that to be honest.
That's what I understood. Not that he was looking for another team or do the Tour if he can't be featured next year. If he did, I'd assume he'd lost his mind. He knows the variables before those commitments can be finalized and it involves many moving parts.