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[Elos Anjos]

I never did that. You said he was popular among cycling fans, I only said he's the 6th most popular. And saying that was apparently a mistake in the Roglic-topic.

If you don't appreciate Roglic as a rider why go into his thread and state that he is only the 6th most popular?

It's not very clever to gauge your own chosen riders while belittling other riders. If I like a rider I couldn't care less about popularity rankings. But if that is used as an argument I'm there upfront to say how stupid that assessment is.

 

[Froome]

Ahm...do you mind thinking for a while?

PCS bases its "popularity measurement" in the number of profile views. If I click a rider to know about his palmares that does not mean he is popular. It means I want to know, compare, assess, notice patterns, improvement or downfalls.

Assuming popularity can be equated with views, followers or thread numbers is complex. For instance, a rider from a cycling country experiences a "boom" in popularity just because the underlying strutucture of his fandom is already prone to follow a newcomer. If that cycling country is small or medium size, of course population size has a bearing on a rider's popularity. But are they in reality popular outside it?

Nairo and Uran are different sucessful Colombian riders and yet the later has more followers in instagram, although Nairo is unsmistakingly "better". But how popular is Nairo Quintana in Europe? And why not?

Roglic is from a small country, is a late bloomer, is not outspoken nor a spoiled self-entitled brat, low-key but laser-sharp focus in training and races and yet he is immensily popular by every account and I would say mostly because he has a tragic way about him.

And yet there are people not used to make a sound argument that say that he's not popular BECAUSE he does not attack. And yet here I am attempting to at least build the foundations of a dialog in the Roglic thread for these witless approaches that sound as either trolling or lousy excuses for a conversation.

Show your "basis for popularity assertion".
At least @Berniece showed something that backs up is statement. You said roglic is very popular, but you didn't show something that proves it.

 

[Froome]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2hf3GszilA


New evidence emerged suggesting Rogla has some fans.

Of course he is popular in slovenia, but outside of slovenia he is not that popular if we talk about casual fans.

He is a bit more popular in some "fanatic fans" of this sport, and in some forums communities.

If you talk to a casual cycling fan they know guys like armstrong, contador, froome, pogacar and now vingegaard, because the Tour is the race that the majority of casual fans see.

 

[theyoungest]

I said it's complex. Measurements need to be framed and interpreted. Popularity builds on herd mentality and it spreads by infecting. And it's never gonna be the nerds at PCS that are going to give your prejudices some grounding just because they establish a popularity ranking and Roglic is 6th there.

The point is that making an argument about a rider being popular because of his riding style is dumb.

The nerds at PCS simply look at how many hits their rider profiles get. It's really not that complicated.

Popularity is hard to measure, but the number of times people look up a certain rider seems to me quite an objective way to do it.

 

[Berniece]

If you don't appreciate Roglic as a rider why go into his thread and state that he is only the 6th most popular?

Why go in a thread when you don't like the riding style of the rider the thread is about? Because that's how forums and a community work? Can I only visit topics about riders I'm a big fan of? So basically only Evenepoel and MVDP. The rest I shouldn't visit. I'm also a big fan of De Ronde and Roubaix, maybe I also shouldn't visit the race thread of MSR then anymore.

If you want this to be an echo chamber of only hyping up Roglic, then it's best you create a forum about Roglic, don't do it on a cycling forum that's about all things cycling. And if according to PCS, Roglic is the 6th most popular rider, then it's ok for me to mention that on a cycling forum.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Of course he is popular in slovenia, but outside of slovenia he is not that popular if we talk about casual fans.

He is a bit more popular in some "fanatic fans" of this sport, and in some forums communities.

If you talk to a casual cycling fan they know guys like armstrong, contador, froome, pogacar and now vingegaard, because the Tour is the race that the majority of casual fans see.

Of course, outside Slovenia Rogla for sure isn't a cycling superstar, ask anybody. All will know guys like Armstrong, Contador, Froome, Pogačar and now Vingegaard. But Roglič? Nobody. Just ask.

 

[Gargamel35]

Of course, outside Slovenia Rogla for sure isn't a cycling superstar, ask anybody. All will know guys like Armstrong, Contador, Froome, Pogačar and now Vingegaard. But Roglič? Nobody. Just ask.

Remco is another non factor among cycling fans. No one knows him, because he's so bad, he doesn't even ride TdF. And TdF is the thing. Only thing.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Show your "basis for popularity assertion".
At least @Berniece showed something that backs up is statement. You said roglic is very popular, but you didn't show something that proves it.

It's not up to me to show the "official" table of popularity. The whole point is any popularity contest or ranking is up to scrutiny.

Roglic has 700000 instagram followers. How come he could not be popular if he has won 4GTs and lost one in the most spectacular of fashions whilst being a gentleman?

It's up to those like you that want to make a connection between his popularity and riding style that should provide sound evidence. Good luck with that.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Why go in a thread when you don't like the riding style of the rider the thread is about? Because that's how forums and a community work? Can I only visit topics about riders I'm a big fan of? So basically only Evenepoel and MVDP. The rest I shouldn't visit. I'm also a big fan of De Ronde and Roubaix, maybe I also shouldn't visit the race thread of MSR then anymore.

If you want this to be an echo chamber of only hyping up Roglic, then it's best you create a forum about Roglic, don't do it on a cycling forum that's about all things cycling. And if according to PCS, Roglic is the 6th most popular rider, then it's ok for me to mention that on a cycling forum.

OK troll.

 

[hrotha]

If you don't appreciate Roglic as a rider why go into his thread and state that he is only the 6th most popular?

You seem to have confused rider threads with some kind of circle jerk. Fans don't own this thread or any other

 

[Elos Anjos]

The nerds at PCS simply look at how many hits their rider profiles get. It's really not that complicated.

Popularity is hard to measure, but the number of times people look up a certain rider seems to me quite an objective way to do it.

Define popularity. I have been to Remco's profile several times and I don't like him. Is he popular to me? No.

 

[Elos Anjos]

You seem to have confused rider threads with some kind of circle jerk. Fans don't own this thread or any other

No, I didn't. But I prefer that a user posts insightful content and not a fragile assertion grounded on popularity measurements. And hence that's why I am discussing it pointing to how popularity depends of many factors that we cannot fathom. So much that it's makes it really, really hard to build an argument around it.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Are we now really discussing on who the most popular kid in the school is? Prom king?

 

[CyclistAbi]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQzdAsjWGPg


Imagine the surprise of cycling fans, when all the 80k and up guys get distanced. In the last 50m or so. And then Rogla taking out his Olympic kit, to finish the job. Hearts skipping a bit and for once ticking properly. All just living in that moment. Embracing it.

So, as long as all other things are in order, it's in between 50 and 500 in your wallet. That is all you really need. 80k in the bank is for sure nice, still consistent 50 to 500 in your wallet will do just fine.

So i know we all more or less live rent free in each other heads and hearts or in the mom's basements. Hopefully ones own mother. Anyway, regardless of that, there are still bills to pay. I agree with that.

Go Rogla!

 

[Salvarani]

I cringed a bit right now.

 

[Berniece]

OK troll.

Ok, so having a different opinion is now being a troll.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Ok, so having a different opinion is now being a troll.

No, you're up there on the queue for trolling if you keep reposting the same things and not replying or ignoring what I have attempted to answer you.

 

[theyoungest]

No, I didn't. But I prefer that a user posts insightful content and not a fragile assertion grounded on popularity measurements. And hence that's why I am discussing it pointing to how popularity depends of many factors that we cannot fathom. So much that it's makes it really, really hard to build an argument around it.

But what are you trying to say? That Primoz Roglic is in fact the most popular rider in the world according to some mysterious criteria that only you know?

 

[CyclistAbi]

But what are you trying to say? That Primoz Roglic is in fact the most popular rider in the world according to some mysterious criteria that only you know?

Isn't he? Prove it.

 

[Elos Anjos]

But what are you trying to say? That Primoz Roglic is in fact the most popular rider in the world according to some mysterious criteria that only you know?

It's not up to me to show the "official" table of popularity. The whole point is any popularity contest or ranking is up to scrutiny.

Roglic has 700000 instagram followers. How come he could not be popular if he has won 4GTs and lost one in the most spectacular of fashions whilst being a gentleman?

It's up to those like you that want to make a connection between his popularity and riding style that should provide sound evidence. Good luck with that.

 

[CyclistAbi]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh2kwpnQu6c


This is likely on how a cycling superstar feels once fans get involved.

 

[Berniece]

No, you're up there on the queue for trolling if you keep reposting the same things and not replying or ignoring what I have attempted to answer you.

What do you mean reposting the same things? I always answered whatever question you asked.

 

[Froome]

Remco is another non factor among cycling fans. No one knows him, because he's so bad, he doesn't even ride TdF. And TdF is the thing. Only thing.

I don't like remco, but certainly he is more popular than roglic, because of his style of racing and the way he achieved his victories since he started cycling. Of course remco is not (at least yet) so popular like other legendary names, because he needs to show more to the casual fans, specially in the Tour, but that it will happens. Even if remco doesn't wins the Tour, but races the way he races, attacking from far, gives entertainment, he will get popularity among the world, and people will talk about him in every corner of the world.

 

[Netserk]

You seem to have confused rider threads with some kind of circle jerk. Fans don't own this thread or any other

Just imagine how tedious it would be if Froome's thread was similarly guarded.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Let's all go visit Roglič's PCS profile and try to get him to no. 1 for Christmas. That'll show the trolls, elves and gnomes who's the most popular guy around!