Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[SHAD0W93]

Understandable, at some point of the race he was more then two minutes down on Sepp, and all he did is he just rode after. Note that i don't blame Jonas for that. It's just silly some want to claim he didn't want to win overall. And shredded that good two minutes by some mistake.



I don't feel Rogla wanted to prove some point. He was open about it and that is he is here to win. On stage 17 i feel that Rogla was OK with winning on Angliru too. If you are a GC rider or stage hunter, you want Angliru in your palmares.

Note that even Sepp was after winning stage 17, he said it himself. Rogla and Jonas trying to crack him in my opinion did him some good. That is we now can't say Sepp didn't earn it, he did.

So you go back on your posts at the time stating Roglic wanted to prove he can hang with Vingegaard and prove everyone wrong?

 

[bNator]

Nah, don't go there. Just when i thought we got it covered. Jeez.

No, it’s no biggie - I can do this dance ad infinitum😁

 

[Lequack]

Cool photo!

Without the text:

Men: Jai Hindley, Roglic, Remco, Alaphilippe, Asgreen
Women: Kopecky, Vollering, Wiebes

 

[CyclistAbi]

So you go back on your posts at the time stating Roglic wanted to prove he can hang with Vingegaard and prove everyone wrong?

I could have forgotten it but this doesn't sound as something i would say. As i never doubted Rogla in the first place. Where did i say that?

 

[SHAD0W93]

I could have forgotten it but this doesn't sound as something i would say. As i never doubted Rogla in the first place. Where did i say that?

I never said you posted that you don’t believe in Roglic. You were stating he wanted to prove everyone wrong for how he was talked about this year. That’s why he pushed as hard as he did to stick it to everyone.

 

[CyclistAbi]

You were stating he wanted to prove everyone wrong for how he was talked about this year. That’s why he pushed as hard as he did to stick it to everyone.

Could be, although i don't recollect that. But while we are at it, did it work?

 

[Froome]

I never said you posted that you don’t believe in Roglic. You were stating he wanted to prove everyone wrong for how he was talked about this year. That’s why he pushed as hard as he did to stick it to everyone.

@CyclistAbi after Roglic doing an attack 500 m from the top of the mountain finish.

View: https://youtu.be/465GqT_EuUA?si=tfoCuLzQTQP-Ti4y

 

[SHAD0W93]

Could be, although i don't recollect that. But while we are at it, did it work?

It did show he can ride at a high level but he dropped everyone but the one that he needed to.

 

[CyclistAbi]

It did show he can ride at a high level but he dropped everyone but the one that he needed to.

I see. It was Vuelta 2023, stage 17, on where it got determined Rogla can ride at a high level. There you have it, mythical Angliru, from Višarje to Angliru. Perfect season.

P.S. Come to think of it if Jonas would do a turn, one of them might have won the overall. But i get it, Jonas was working for Sepp.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Froome

Pretty much but you do have to understand, with Rogla, it's the range. The range of emotions. That is just unparalleled. Wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I see. It was Vuelta 2023, stage 17, on where it got determined Rogla can ride at a high level. There you have it, mythical Angliru, from Višarje to Angliru. Perfect season.

P.S. Come to think of it if Jonas would do a turn, one of them might have won the overall. But i get it, Jonas was working for Sepp.

It’s like the words on any topic go in one eye transverse on this weird Roglic loop, twist the information around into something not said, and comes out the other spewing the some sort of Roglic topic.

 

[noob]

Without the text:

Men: Jai Hindley, Roglic, Remco, Alaphilippe, Asgreen
Women: Kopecky, Vollering, Wiebes

I love it and still I find it a bit almost creepy, because they look like statues more than humans. Are they supposed to stare to look fierce? I don't understand the message the photographer are trying to convey :O
Wollering and Remco looks like they know how to pose and knows why they are there and how to look in such a pic.
Wiebes looks like she just descended from the heavens and still keep in contact with them to wait for heavenly orders on , Asgreen and Alaphilippe competes about who makes the best villain . Hindley poses confidently but neither him nor Rogla knows who they are, But Rogla has a hidden story, as if he was the male lead in a melodrama where he's suffering from memory loss and doesn't know he's the chosen one. So many mixed messages. Such intriguing story

 

[noob]

It's not like Rogla looks like him but he has similar expressions. Faraway eyes

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Demi…

Without the text:

Men: Jai Hindley, Roglic, Remco, Alaphilippe, Asgreen
Women: Kopecky, Vollering, Wiebes

 

[CyclistAbi]

It’s like the words on any topic go in one eye transverse on this weird Roglic loop, twist the information around into something not said, and comes out the other spewing the some sort of Roglic topic.

To me it looks more like we didn't discuss this things in much detail, during season. And only have done this now.

In regards to Remco, pre season sentiment was Remco will come on top in the 2023 season. That did not happen. In Remco defence, he was ill at times and a GT double is something Rogla help to popularize. Fans now almost believing on how this is normal. To perform good on two GTs per season. History teaches otherwise and we are still waiting, and likely will for a while, for successful double attempt. This year Pogi, Rogla, Jonas and maybe Remco will/might attempt it. We'll see if this is the year and/or if somebody from this group will decide to rather opt-out of doing a double, due to being too demanding.

In Regards to Jonas, pre season sentiment, by some, is, Jonas will come on top in the 2024 season. So best to wait and see. As for 2023 season and Vuelta. The form of JV riders couldn't have been that bad, considering they swept it. And on stages, where Jonas got a green light, he went for it, GC, and gave as much as he could. Rogla mainly lost seconds due to team tactis and not Jonas being superior. Sepp put a stop on it after stage 17, until then all three raced to win GC. What will change, at the Tour 2024, Bora with Rogla and Visma with Jonas, both won't have to look after anything else then for their rider to win overall. So lets see on how that goes. The duo going against each other mano-a-mano in a much more direct fight.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

@CyclistAbi Tdf odds should be tempting to you then: Primoz is like 6/1 to win while Vingo is odds on favourite

 

[Blanco]

How quick are we to forget crashes and sickness only affect Roglic not others.



All Vingegaard did was ride on the wheels of Kuss who brought him back to Roglic and then Roglic’s. Just like stage 6 when I think it was Mas that brought him back. Roglic wanted to prove a point and he did, but also proved he didn’t care what happens to Kuss.

Yeah, how nice is to have a special view, like you do.
I for instance saw things completely different.
On stage 6 it was not Mas who brought him back, but vice-versa. Vingegaard brought Mas back to Roglic. Go watch again if you don't believe...
Roglic maybe didn't care what happens to Kuss on Angliru, but I didn't noticed that Vingegaard cared too. Or did you saw differently?
What strikes me the most is why Vingegaard, just like Roglic and Kuss did basically the whole Vuelta, didn't stayed back when his teammate attacks? He practically followed every time, ensuring he doesn't lose a single second to Roglic. Why do you think he did that?

 

[CyclistAbi]

@CyclistAbi Tdf odds should be tempting to you then: Primoz is like 6/1 to win while Vingo is odds on favourite

If i remember correctly Remco was in the same position in regards to Giro 2023. My advice would be don't bet. If you bet you lose.

 

[tobydawq]

If i remember correctly Remco was in the same position in regards to Giro 2023. My advice would be don't bet. If you bet you lose.

That depends. You don't lose if you win.

 

[CyclistAbi]

That depends. You don't lose if you win.

In theory.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Yeah, how nice is to have a special view, like you do.
I for instance saw things completely different.
On stage 6 it was not Mas who brought him back, but vice-versa. Vingegaard brought Mas back to Roglic. Go watch again if you don't believe...
Roglic maybe didn't care what happens to Kuss on Angliru, but I didn't noticed that Vingegaard cared too. Or did you saw differently?
What strikes me the most is why Vingegaard, just like Roglic and Kuss did basically the whole Vuelta, didn't stayed back when his teammate attacks? He practically followed every time, ensuring he doesn't lose a single second to Roglic. Why do you think he did that?

How nice is it to have such a twisted view and miss the previous discussion points.

I did watch, Mas did all the work and it was talked about at that time. You should go watch again.

I never said Vingegaard cared, Roglic’s fans are making it seem like he’s high and mighty who did nothing wrong. They both didn’t care what happened to Kuss and wanted to win while sticking it to the other.

Vingegaard might have followed but he never went to the front to catch his teammates. He was brought back until he could bridge. Who ironically unlike Roglic actually paced for Kuss after the team decision came down to let him win.

We all know why, he wanted to show Roglic who the boss is by following his wheel. Just like Roglic wanted to show him and Vismo he can ride at a high level.

 

[CyclistAbi]

It's Kuss, who has show everybody on who is the boss. Nobody else could make Rogla and Jonas ride for him. And it's Kuss who won Vuelta 2023.

P.S. Rogla took Angliru, Bora noticed, the rest is history. Jonas can now boss around at Visma. Both will for sure try something like that at the Tour. Remco already took notice. Pogi doesn't know better either.

 

[SHAD0W93]

It's Kuss, who has show everybody on who is the boss. Nobody else could make Rogla and Jonas ride for him. And it's Kuss who won Vuelta 2023.

P.S. Rogla took Angliru, Bora noticed, the rest is history. Jonas can now boss around at Visma. Both will for sure try something like that at the Tour. Remco already took notice. Pogi doesn't know better either.

It will be interesting if Kuss stays up there in GC the dynamic of the team.

I think Bora was interested before the Vuelta, the Vuelta just affirmed they could get him.

 

[Netserk]

I did watch, Mas did all the work and it was talked about at that time. You should go watch again.

This is the first image we see of the last 1'15" before the bridge is made:

Before that, Mas had been pulling (and last we saw of them, Ayuso and Uijtdebroeks were still with them) without closing the gap. In fact, Rogla was increasing his gap as long as we saw Mas (and Ayuso) pull.

 

[Blanco]

How nice is it to have such a twisted view and miss the previous discussion points.

I did watch, Mas did all the work and it was talked about at that time. You should go watch again.

I never said Vingegaard cared, Roglic’s fans are making it seem like he’s high and mighty who did nothing wrong. They both didn’t care what happened to Kuss and wanted to win while sticking it to the other.

Vingegaard might have followed but he never went to the front to catch his teammates. He was brought back until he could bridge. Who ironically unlike Roglic actually paced for Kuss after the team decision came down to let him win.

We all know why, he wanted to show Roglic who the boss is by following his wheel. Just like Roglic wanted to show him and Vismo he can ride at a high level.

This precisely is what I'm talking about. You should not bridge to a teammate if you're going to drag a rival too, and that's what Vingegaard did. You should ride behind him for as long as you're sure he's spent and that you can drop him permanently. There's no need to hurry things up, cause a teammate is up front, not a rival. But I guess this doesn't apply to Vingegaard...