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[Salvarani]

I didn’t. I merely used Pog as an example what can happen if you are not careful with expending your energy. It had nothing to do with the Rog-Pog-Vinge triangle…

Yeah, sure.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Ah, a TT. Thats grasping at straws.

Considering Jonas Tour ITT performance and the fact he was winning everything in spring convincingly and considering this was basically the only stage they competed against each other. Why would it be grasping at straws? On the contrary it shows something else, Jonas is currently a bit overhyped, especially in regards to Rogla. Some people seem to believe Jonas in on another level, compared to Rogla. And then on the first chance Rogla got, he has beaten Jonas, convincingly.

 

[Salvarani]

Considering Jonas Tour ITT performance and the fact he was winning everything in spring convincingly and considering this was basically the only stage they competed against each other. Why would it be grasping at straws? On the contrary it shows something else, Jonas is currently a bit overhyped, especially in regards to Rogla. Some people seem to believe Jonas in on another level, compared to Rogla. And then on the first chance Rogla got, he has beaten Jonas, convincingly.

You got it.

 

[CyclistAbi]

As for Rogla riding defensively, stage 7 of Dauphiné 2024. IMHO that was not ridden defensively. It was an all out attack by Bora and Rogla, would be hard to be more aggressive than that.

 

[CyclistAbi]

You got it.

You asked, you don't like the answer, now you are just being salty. That is if Jonas is that much better, as some of you claim, why didn't he beat Rogla on that ITT.

 

[Salvarani]

You asked, you don't like the answer, now you are just being salty. That is if Jonas is that much better, as some of you claim, why didn't he beat Rogla on that ITT.

Yes, he has now surpassed Vinge. Everything is good.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Yes, he has now surpassed Vinge. Everything is good.

We can talk again at Vuelta 2024 or Tour 2025, still that was not the question. The question was so far and so far they raced half a stage race against each other and until the crash Jonas was not superior.

 

[tobydawq]

As for Rogla riding defensively, stage 7 of Dauphiné 2024. IMHO that was not ridden defensively. It was an all out attack by Bora and Rogla, would be hard to be more aggressive than that.

Right...

 

[Salvarani]

We can talk again at Vuelta 2024 or Tour 2025, still that was not the question. The question was so far and so far they raced half a stage race against each other. Jonas was not superior.

I dont think this even was the question but feel free to continue.

He is better because he won a 10km ITT. It is all good.

 

[Froome]

Considering Jonas Tour ITT performance and the fact he was winning everything in spring convincingly and considering this was basically the only stage they competed against each other. Why would it be grasping at straws? On the contrary it shows something else, Jonas is currently a bit overhyped, especially in regards to Rogla. Some people seem to believe Jonas in on another level, compared to Rogla. And then on the first chance Rogla got, he has beaten Jonas, convincingly.

C'mon mate, don't say Jonas is overhyped just because he lost one short hilly ITT in Itzulia, probably the one specific area where Roglic has been the best in the world. Besides that, TT setup from Visma is trash at the moment.

 

[bNator]

I dont think this even was the question but feel free to continue.

He is better because he won a 10km ITT. It is all good.

If you don’t like the answer, don’t ask the question.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Right...

Well you can always ask the cyclist that came second. Was he attacking and has just felt defensive action or was he under aggression. On what was the reason to finish second.

I dont think this even was the question but feel free to continue.

He is better because he won a 10km ITT. It is all good.

The question was when was Rogla better when he raced against Jonas. And so far the mentioned ITT is the only time they raced against each other.

 

[CyclistAbi]

C'mon mate, don't say Jonas is overhyped just because he lost one short hilly ITT in Itzulia, probably the one specific area where Roglic has been the best in the world. Besides that, TT setup from Visma is trash at the moment.

Ah, so now it's the equipment.

 

[Salvarani]

If you don’t like the answer, don’t ask the question.

Winning a 10 KM ITT isnt winning the race by the way, but ok.

 

[tobydawq]

Well you can always ask the cyclist that came second. Was he attacking and has just felt defensive action or was he under aggression. On what was the reason to finish second.



The question was when was Rogla better when he raced against Jonas. And so far the mentioned ITT is the only time they raced against each other.

So every time there is a bike race there was an attack because someone finished second?

 

[Salvarani]

The question was when was Rogla better when he raced against Jonas. And so far the mentioned ITT is the only time they raced against each other.

Vingegaard finished ahead on the next stage though, therefore he must be better! Now what?

Point is we dont know yet and that is why was what posted doesnt matter, since they barely raced against each other in the same way that Pog has raced Vinge and likewise.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So every time there is a bike race there was an attack because someone finished second?

Some of you are claiming Rogla is riding defensively. I am just pointing out that is BS. There is nothing defensive in the way Rogla and Bora won the last two stages, it's pure aggression.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

There is nothing defensive in the way Rogla and Bora won the last two stages, it's pure aggression.

Hahahahahahahahahhajahehthahahahahahahaha my god

 

[CyclistAbi]

Vingegaard finished ahead on the next stage though, therefore he must be better! Now what?

It works for me, that is you reconsidering and now to acknowledge you got the right answer, for the question you asked.

P.S. As for stage 2, on where Jonas finished 19 and Rogla 29. Indeed, at a first glance, that looks rather weak to me, both should do better.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Hahahahahahahahahhajahehthahahahahahahaha my god

So if they would do exactly the same and Rogla would launch 2km instead of 200m before the finish line. That would be so much different. They would crush it.

Oh wait.

 

[Froome]

Some of you are claiming Rogla is riding defensively. I am just pointing out that is BS. There is nothing defensive in the way Rogla and Bora won the last two stages, it's pure aggression.

@CyclistAbi you loved the old sky days.

 

[Salvarani]

It works for me, that is you reconsidering and now to acknowledge you got the right answer, for the question you asked.

P.S. As for stage 2, on where Jonas finished 19 and Rogla 29. Indeed, at a first glance, that looks rather weak to me, both should do better.

Like I said above, you got it man. Have a cool evening.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@CyclistAbi you loved the old sky days.

It's nothing like that.

Like I said above, you got it man. Have a cool evening.

Rogla still got it.

 

[Gratemans]

I don't think that was the main reason, at least not for the most vocal posters on this forum.

Definitely not. Also on other fora, people mostly had something against him because of his riding style.

People hating cyclists because they doped are often the more casual fans anyway. If you've intensively followed cycling for decades, and still feel hate towards every cyclist that doped you're a special kind of masochist imo 😄
(I make one personal exception for LA. But that's because he actually ruined other people's lives and careers, not because he doped.)

 

[Motopace]

Roglic struggles some in races, of course its boring to have him beat Damien Howson in Vuelta Burgos but I hope he wins TDF