Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Keelhaul]

Mostly two of them.

Great then please leave the rest of us be, you should do something more productive with your time, thx

 

[zlev11]

Mostly two of them.

yeah the two of them that call out your BS, imagine that.

 

[SHAD0W93]

So you watch a guy crash and then specifically go into this thread to wind his fans up? But you're sad he crashed? That does not compute.

Again, I had no idea Roglic crashed today until I clicked on this thread. I didn’t watch the stage, the only result I knew was Girmay won, and I haven’t read the race thread. I still haven’t even seen the crash. I was catching up on my notifications and that was the last comment on the page so I responded to it before going to the next page.

 

[Extinction]

It really was bad luck.

Anyone who forensically analyses the footage looking for reasons to blame Rog is just taking the p*ss.

I'm not blaming Rog. The fault was the guy who fell in front of him, however, the bad luck struck where there was more chaos around that point in the peloton. There's nothing to do; at ten km from the finish in a sprint stage it's always wise to be in the very front.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

I am neutral on Roglic. I am not a fan but dont dislike him. I think his fans are annoying and don't like how he races but he seems like a decent guy with a great mindset.

What happened today is a shame for the sport. I don't need to go to details. I feel sorry for Roglic.

His whole season has been poorly managed and the Bora stuff has not turned out well. His team is poor, he did the wrong races early in the year and skipped big races he could realistically win to focus on a tour he would always struggle to compete for this year. But the team has been a disaster for him.

 

[Keelhaul]

I'm not blaming Rog. The fault was the guy who fell in front of him, however, the bad luck struck where there was more chaos around that point in the peloton. There's nothing to do; at ten km from the finish in a sprint stage it's always wise to be in the very front.

Rog managed to crash into a haybale towed by a moto when he was in the front of a group so... yeah

 

[SHAD0W93]

yeah the two of them that call out your BS, imagine that.

One isn’t the only who changed their avatar before the start of the Tour.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

One isn’t the only who changed their avatar before the start of the Tour.

Well quite a few did that. I keep a list.

 

[zlev11]

I am neutral on Roglic. I am not a fan but dont dislike him. I think his fans are annoying and don't like how he races but he seems like a decent guy with a great mindset.

What happened today is a shame for the sport. I don't need to go to details. I feel sorry for Roglic.

His whole season has been poorly managed and the Bora stuff has not turned out well. His team is poor, he did the wrong races early in the year and skipped big races he could realistically win to focus on a tour he would always struggle to compete for this year. But the team has been a disaster for him.

the team has been horrible but i cant disagree with his race selection. paris-nice, basque country and dauphine is a pretty standard TDF buildup. he was going to race the ardennes before he crashed in basque country. i cant think of any other big races he should've been at instead.

 

[Extinction]

Rog managed to crash into a haybale towed by a moto when he was in the front of a group so... yeah

What does that have to do with anything? The haybale was terribly positioned and he slammed into it, it was a freak incident. By contrast, the rule in sprint stages for the GC guys is to stay at the front when it starts going hell bent and then get out of the way when the sprinters and their leadouts take over. There is less chaos and hence less risk of going down at the front, until the leadout to the sprint is on. It's just cycling 101. Naturally one can still go down at the front before the sprint, but the chances are diminished than being in 30th position.

 

[zlev11]

I could react quite bitterly about the whole Cavendish stuff but at the moment the whole thing is still too raw. The fact it's Lutsenko who went down when he's a climber who shouldn't even be part of a sprint train is just the icing on the WTF cake.

I guess the reality check which awaits Cav is the fact... no one really cares about his record. It was fun folklore for five minutes but within a few days after the Tour Sir Mark Cavendish will be just another knighted British sports champ along with all the others, like Sir Bradley Wiggins & co.

yep, 35 of the most one-dimensional wins anyone has ever had. ok he had one or two pretty cool ones but it truly is a record nobody really cares about. the hype was created to draw in more viewership.

 

[Netserk]

For just finding out when I clicked on his thread that he crashed and that was the last post on the page? I asked genuine question and I get attacked saying I’m popping the champagne.

Your question was fine, I also answered it neutrally.

Your reply to RR had a poor timing, long after you had been told of what had happened today.

 

[Keelhaul]

What does that have to do with anything? The haybale was terribly positioned and he slammed into it, it was a freak incident. By contrast, the rule in sprint stages for the GC guys is to stay at the front when it starts going hell bent and then get out of the way when the sprinters and their leadouts take over. There is less chaos and hence less risk of going down at the front, until the leadout to the sprint is on. It's just cycling 101. Naturally one can still go down at the front before the sprint, but the chances are lessened than being in 30th position.

There are two super strong teams and the sprinter teams all going for the top of the group. The 5K, while flawed, is specifically meant to address this problem. It doesn't, but this is a known issue, there is only so much space on the road and smaller riders and weaker teams are bound to be bounced in situations like this. Bora's team is crap so the positioning cannot be better, because they physically can't do it.

Back in the EPO days when GC riders were 70 kgs, this was less of a problem, Ullrich and Armstrong were heavy and strong enough to easily fight for their own position.

Roglic, while being not particularly good at holding a wheel, is also not a particularly physical rider, so it's about 30% him, 70% team.

But even when he has the team and does everything right, he gets an ALLEZ OMI OPI or a *** haybale drawn in front of him. It's bordering on tragicomical at this point.

 

[CyclistAbi]

“He’s definitely hurt,” Red Bull-Bora-Hansgrohe sport director Rolf Aldag told media at the finish. “It’s terrible, obviously, with our leader crashing. After [the fall of] yesterday, a heavy crash today, now the doctor will examine him and we’ll see. He’s in the shower and he cleaned up everything.”

'It's Terrible': Primož Roglič Sees Tour de France Hopes Shattered After Losing 2:27 in Crash

The Red Bull-Bora-Hansgrohe captain was tangled up in a pileup with about 10km to go and lost contact with the bunch.

velo.outsideonline.com

 

[Peyroteo94]

DNS tomorrow or after tomorrow.

 

[Extinction]

There are two super strong teams and the sprinter teams all going for the top of the group. The 5K, while flawed, is specifically meant to address this problem. It doesn't, but this is a known issue, there is only so much space on the road and smaller riders and weaker teams are bound to be bounced in situations like this. Bora's team is crap so the positioning cannot be better, because they physically can't do it.

Back in the EPO days when GC riders were 70 kgs, this was less of a problem, Ullrich and Armstrong were heavy and strong enough to easily fight for their own position.

Roglic, while being not particularly good at holding a wheel, is also not a particularly physical rider, so it's about 30% him, 70% team.

But even when he has the team and does everything right, he gets an ALLEZ OMI OPI or a *** haybale drawn in front of him. It's bordering on tragicomical at this point.

Yea, there is only so much room at the front. And Bora does not seem to be able to position Rog well in such circumstances. Granted. However, at that point he could have tried to get onto the wheel of his GC rivals. Was that possible? Who knows, because he decided to stick with his team where it was more dangerous. Is he to be blamed for this? Of course not, but the fact of the matter is he goes down far too much. So something's not working.

 

[Didinho]

He’s a fighter. Hope he can start tomorrow. Still no news I guess?

 

[CyclistAbi]

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I have this one saved for the rainy days.

 

[Miha81]

View: https://youtu.be/tMwnC-0FAp8?si=98Oykyeafk5-MMvn

 

[Rackham]

There are two super strong teams and the sprinter teams all going for the top of the group. The 5K, while flawed, is specifically meant to address this problem. It doesn't, but this is a known issue, there is only so much space on the road and smaller riders and weaker teams are bound to be bounced in situations like this. Bora's team is crap so the positioning cannot be better, because they physically can't do it.

Back in the EPO days when GC riders were 70 kgs, this was less of a problem, Ullrich and Armstrong were heavy and strong enough to easily fight for their own position.

Roglic, while being not particularly good at holding a wheel, is also not a particularly physical rider, so it's about 30% him, 70% team.

But even when he has the team and does everything right, he gets an ALLEZ OMI OPI or a *** haybale drawn in front of him. It's bordering on tragicomical at this point.

Street furniture like the dividers we saw today also seems like a new issue which L.A. & co didn't face in the 1990's. Especially not at the speeds which the bunch does now with the GC teams & sprinter teams vying for position at the front.

Cycling is a meat grinder in 2024. Injuries, deaths, it's a fastidious sport to follow right now tbh.

And before someone jumps down my throat & says I shouldn't compare what happened to Rog today with any of the recent fatalities in the sport, I'm saying from a general overall perspective there's just too much horrible stuff happening which makes the time & emotional investment in the races very difficult. Certainly from my perspective as a fan.

It's too much.

 

[Nick2413]

If there are no breaks it’s hard not to see him coming back and trying for it but he looked pretty bad with his team shepherding him at the end. In and of itself the 2 min time loss wouldn’t necessarily take away podium contention, which was probably the only realistic goal at this point. Rough to see yet again…

 

[RedheadDane]

you must be so happy, your year is made now. are you gonna throw a party? maybe invite Cav and Fred Wright and see which one of them can knock the other off their bike first?

Pretty sure Roglic has admitted that he was wrong to blame Wright.

We'll see.

"We'll see" refers to something that might happen in the future, not something that has already happened.

the guy dislikes Roglic fans but has Mark Cavendish in his avatar, famous for the below. speaks to his character.

View: https://youtu.be/869ytxoJsF8?si=zu7-ItFIYVcpdciQ

Here I was, thinking it was the 35 TdF stage wins...

 

[Rackham]

"We'll see" refers to something that might happen in the future, not something that has already happened.

"We'll see" within the context of my post refers to the fact people won't care about Cav's record 5 minutes after this TdF has finished.

I'll stand by that claim. The Olympics come one week later & the 35 stage wins will be just another footnote on Wikipedia & in the record books.

 

[svit]

Who gives a f*** about Wright. Why we are even talking about that instance? Roglic today was pure collateral damage.

 

[movingtarget]

What does that have to do with anything? The haybale was terribly positioned and he slammed into it, it was a freak incident. By contrast, the rule in sprint stages for the GC guys is to stay at the front when it starts going hell bent and then get out of the way when the sprinters and their leadouts take over. There is less chaos and hence less risk of going down at the front, until the leadout to the sprint is on. It's just cycling 101. Naturally one can still go down at the front before the sprint, but the chances are diminished than being in 30th position.

Pogacar fell earlier and he was near the front as usual. Not sure if he hit the deck but he was involved in the tangle. But for some reason Roglic has been riding too far back in the bunch and has been caught out in splits a few times unlike Visma and UAE whu usually bunch around their team leaders, Roglic is often only with one other rider.