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[Netserk]

Not bad! I don't think he was washed before Vuelta 2022 though (so only Dauphine x1).

It was a big talking point before the Tour that year.

 

[CyclistAbi]

The problem here is Rogla seems so washed he almost comes across as a pro cleaner, especially when it comes to sweeping the competition.

As for the question on who in RBH can potentially peak the most in terms of stage racing and season 2026. I feel that it is important for most of them to achieve great results in stage racing, Rogla IMHO is still GOAT stage racer so i don't see any particular reason on why that would to change. Lets not forget he opened Giro in brutal fashion this season, unfortunately a bit of crashing prevented better statistical results, but that is rather normal in cycling, crashes and injuries are all in all rather common. We'll see.

 

[CyclistAbi]

From Tour perspective i feel that the question on who can peak the most is not that relevant, that would be the wrong approach. It's important that all the best ones go and after apply some compound pressure on UAE and Visma. Individually i don't feel any of them can close the gap of 10 minutes during the off season and building up for the Tour. As a group applying some combined pressure, here i feel that if they play it smart tactically either Pogi or Jonas or both should crack rather easily. As once you throw Pogi or Jonas out of their comfort zone the response for sure won't be an alien alike but as a mere human, as that in the end is what they both are.

 

[red_flanders]

What they wrote there seems reasonable to me, but they put him behind BOC as a Tour contender. Now that’s just a bridge too far. I wouldn’t put him behind Lipowitz, Ayuso, Onley, Del Toro, or Seixad either, but trajectories and all that. BOC on the other hand??? Come on

For sure. Ridiculous.

 

[Hugh Januss]

From Tour perspective i feel that the question on who can peak the most is not that relevant, that would be the wrong approach. It's important that all the best ones go and after apply some compound pressure on UAE and Visma. Individually i don't feel any of them can close the gap of 10 minutes during the off season and building up for the Tour. As a group applying some combined pressure, here i feel that if they play it smart tactically either Pogi or Jonas or both should crack rather easily. As once you throw Pogi or Jonas out of their comfort zone the response for sure won't be an alien alike but as a mere human, as that in the end is what they both are.

I don't think those guys together have the gravity to crack Jonas and certainly not Pogi. What do they do? Go in a long break and UAE and/or Visma just put enough guys on the front to control them. If one or two attack early on the last climb then they have essentially become super-doms and I think both UAE and Visma have enough of those to control that. I hope I'm wrong at least to the point where it becomes really interesting.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I don't think those guys together have the gravity to crack Jonas and certainly not Pogi.

Of course they do, we are exaggerating a bit already, on how an individual can beat a team of podium contenders whilst them working together to crack that individual. RBH now has the means and lets see on how they will use them. I mean what more do they want.

It should be more then enough to even have some fun at it and especially to ride comfortably again. Other teams, on where they feel their individual will crack Pogi, good luck with that, that teams won't even beat second in command at UAE.

 

[CyclistAbi]

"If I could choose..." - Tour de France? Vuelta a Espana? Where is Primoz Roglic considering racing next year?

Primoz Roglic has won the Giro d'Italia and the Vuelta a España on four occasions, but the Tour de France is no longer a realistic goal. In a Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe that continues to grow in qual...

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So Rogla would like to do Vuelta and is open to do the Tour, Lipo would like to do the Tour, as for Remco we are waiting to see TT kilometres planned for Giro as the idea is to do the Giro if favourable in that regard, as for the Tour no strong hints yet but the idea of taking yellow jersey at the opening TTT, that is likely tempting.

 

[HashRouge]

"If I could choose..." - Tour de France? Vuelta a Espana? Where is Primoz Roglic considering racing next year?

Primoz Roglic has won the Giro d'Italia and the Vuelta a España on four occasions, but the Tour de France is no longer a realistic goal. In a Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe that continues to grow in qual...

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So Rogla would like to do Vuelta and is open to do the Tour, Lipo would like to do the Tour, as for Remco we are waiting to see TT kilometres planned for Giro as the idea is to do the Giro if favourable in that regard, as for the Tour no strong hints yet but the idea of taking yellow jersey at the opening TTT, that is likely tempting.

If Remco does the Giro, I really don't feel optimistic about him being good for the Tour (assuming he rides both). Although I think he's a super talent, he doesn't have a wonderful track record in grand tours. I make it 1 win, 1 podium, 3 DNFs, 1 12th place and I've not seen anything to suggest he'd benefit from riding two in one year, though I'd love to be proven wrong.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@HashRouge

It seams that even if there will be decent amount of TT kilometres that Giro 2026 will be heavy on high mountains. So i guess similar to the Tour, or maybe even worse for Remco. Vuelta likely won't exaggerate with TTing either, don't see any special reason on why would they. As for doing Giro first, that can indeed reduce your chances a bit in terms of GC at the Tour. Unless i guess you set different goals for the Tour. We'll see.

 

[Oldman]

"If I could choose..." - Tour de France? Vuelta a Espana? Where is Primoz Roglic considering racing next year?

Primoz Roglic has won the Giro d'Italia and the Vuelta a España on four occasions, but the Tour de France is no longer a realistic goal. In a Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe that continues to grow in qual...

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So Rogla would like to do Vuelta and is open to do the Tour, Lipo would like to do the Tour, as for Remco we are waiting to see TT kilometres planned for Giro as the idea is to do the Giro if favourable in that regard, as for the Tour no strong hints yet but the idea of taking yellow jersey at the opening TTT, that is likely tempting.

That would be rarely equitable if they do ride that schedule. Remco should be well supported if he does the Giro. RBH could actually take one of the GTs if they staff them appropriately.

 

[Berniece]

@HashRouge

It seams that even if there will be decent amount of TT kilometres that Giro 2026 will be heavy on high mountains. So i guess similar to the Tour, or maybe even worse for Remco. Vuelta likely won't exaggerate with TTing either, don't see any special reason on why would they. As for doing Giro first, that can indeed reduce your chances a bit in terms of GC at the Tour. Unless i guess you set different goals for the Tour. We'll see.

Evenepoel has no issues in a lot of high mountains. He can take on everyone, except Vingegaard/Pogacar.

 

[vappaxbipmv]

Evenepoel has no issues in a lot of high mountains. He can take on everyone, except Vingegaard/Pogacar.

If he's at 100%, which in stage races is rare. Otherwise he is expected to have issues especially in high mountains

 

[vappaxbipmv]

Of course they do, we are exaggerating a bit already, on how an individual can beat a team of podium contenders whilst them working together to crack that individual. RBH now has the means and lets see on how they will use them. I mean what more do they want.

It should be more then enough to even have some fun at it and especially to ride comfortably again. Other teams, on where they feel their individual will crack Pogi, good luck with that, that teams won't even beat second in command at UAE.

We are not exaggerating anything, Lipowitz and Remco and Roglic together still have miniscule change of beating Pogacar. Why? Because the gap between him and any RBH rider is massive in GTs. Together they might be able to reduce that gap but they're not beating him. In 2022 Visma succeeded because they had 2 of the 3 best GT riders in the team, and both were much closer to Pogacar's level than any RBH rider currently is

 

[CyclistAbi]

That would be rarely equitable if they do ride that schedule. Remco should be well supported if he does the Giro. RBH could actually take one of the GTs if they staff them appropriately.

I mean against Jonas? Possibly, but then they would need to bring the Tour team and the way i read fandom and their suggestions they are rather scared of the idea of RBH sending all the best to the Tour. So sending them all to the Giro, from that point of view that is more of a science fiction. Plus Lipo already said he isn't doing Giro in 2026 season as he wants to ride the Tour. Rogla could i guess attempt Giro Vuelta but somehow i feel that he would, as he suggested already, rather do Tour Vuelta if he will ride two GTs in the 2026 season. Other riders, i guess anything is possible, but sending some strong riders to Giro, that weakens the Tour team.

Evenepoel has no issues in a lot of high mountains. He can take on everyone, except Vingegaard/Pogacar.

Maybe he won't have them in the future, but for now i would say that he still struggles on the hardest terrain in terms of climbing. And even if he improves that won't be enough for the 2026 season in terms of tackling Pogi and Jonas as a sole leader.

We are not exaggerating anything, Lipowitz and Remco and Roglic together still have miniscule change of beating Pogacar. Why? Because the gap between him and any RBH rider is massive in GTs. Together they might be able to reduce that gap but they're not beating him. In 2022 Visma succeeded because they had 2 of the 3 best GT riders in the team, and both were much closer to Pogacar's level than any RBH rider currently is

Yeah, i am not buying that at all. That si RBH as a team is (was) rather weak performing in terms of comparison to a team such as UAE. That puts their leader in a hard spot. But now they have half of the team capable of podium at the Tour, no need to cry about it any more. It seems that self sabotage or possibly ego is the only thing preventing them now on taking on Pogi and Jonas directly at the Tour. If they sort that one out i don't see on why in the 2026 season articles would still mock their chances and they would be lead proponents in B type polls on this forum. Not just the Tour, they need to stick it to UAE early in the season, to show them on how it's done a goal of 100 wins per season and counting, UAE failed at that goal this season.

 

[Berniece]

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Maybe he won't have them in the future, but for now i would say that he still struggles on the hardest terrain in terms of climbing. And even if he improves that won't be enough for the 2026 season in terms of tackling Pogi and Jonas as a sole leader.

You can think that, but it’s not based on reality. In TDF ‘24, no one was better in high mountains except Pogacar/Vingegaard

 

[CyclistAbi]

You can think that, but it’s not based on reality. In TDF ‘24, no one was better in high mountains except Pogacar/Vingegaard

I mean if Remco wants to do the Giro, fine. If the idea behind it is Remco will somehow win the Giro easier then the Tour in the 2026 season? As i assume the idea is to target the GC win? So best to wait for the routes to get revealed and for hints to start emerging.

 

[Faserr]

That would be rarely equitable if they do ride that schedule. Remco should be well supported if he does the Giro. RBH could actually take one of the GTs if they staff them appropriately.

I could even see Roglic doing the Tour for training for the Vuelta with possibilities to go for stages and to help Lipo/Evenepoel if needed. Before that Tour de Suisse.
I think he ist done with the Tour GC. Thats why I think this could work for both sides (team and Roglic).
He would be 100% captain at the Vuelta. Giro Evenepoel or more likley Hindley/Pellizari.

 

[AmRacer]

You can think that, but it’s not based on reality. In TDF ‘24, no one was better in high mountains except Pogacar/Vingegaard

The only GT so far he showed something.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Berniece

The thing is personally i don't believe Remco can dodge the Tour in 2026 season, that would just go against reason. Claiming on how good Remco is climbing, that doesn't help at all in this regard.

I could even see Roglic doing the Tour for training for the Vuelta with possibilities to go for stages and to help Lipo/Evenepoel if needed.

I mean if Rogla, Remco and Lipo all go, and some other prominent names are added to the roster, then RBH can podium while riding and yawning, hopefully to get ideas. We'll see.

 

[Berniece]

I mean if Remco wants to do the Giro, fine. If the idea behind it is Remco will somehow win the Giro easier then the Tour in the 2026 season? As i assume the idea is to target the GC win? So best to wait for the routes to get revealed and for hints to start emerging.

Assuming Pogacar/Vingegaard aren't riding the Giro, it will be much easier to win for Evenepoel than the TDF. How is that even a question...

 

[AmRacer]

Assuming Pogacar/Vingegaard aren't riding the Giro, it will be much easier to win for Evenepoel than the TDF. How is that even a question...

Remco will not win the Giro, Pogi / Jonas riding or not.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Remco will not win the Giro, Pogi / Jonas riding or not.

Remco would've won the Giro, no matter the year: 2020, 2024, etc.

 

[AmRacer]

Remco would've won the Giro, no matter the year: 2020, 2024, etc.

2018

 

[CyclistAbi]

Assuming Pogacar/Vingegaard aren't riding the Giro, it will be much easier to win for Evenepoel than the TDF. How is that even a question...

And then to undertake the Tour in 2026 season as Giro winner or to dodge it altogether? And what if Jonas goes to Giro in the 2026 season? Should Remco then do the Giro or the Tour or both?

 

[Berniece]

And then to undertake the Tour in 2026 season as Giro winner or to dodge it altogether? And what if Jonas goes to Giro in the 2026 season? Should Remco then do the Giro or the Tour or both?

We don't even know the course yet of the Giro, but he'll ride the TDF