Explosion at Boston Marathon

[ToreBear]

Cnn is showing a video witch implies the area where there was a shotout, that might be were suspect one was killed.

Possibly suspect 2 is on foot and on the run.
42°21'59.22" N 71°09'47.57" W

 

[thirteen]

from twitter on suspect #2:

Pete Williams: "He actually drove over this brother to get away."

 

[alitogata]

Excuse me but it is supposed that any suspect is innocent until it is proved without any doubd that s/he is guilty. So I really don't understand why the FBI puplish photos of the suspects, and show their faces in public. If these people are proved innocent it would be totally unfair to have their photos online as criminals, or terrorists etc.

Unless they have a camera evidence that shows them to put somewhere the bombs.. but I suppose that they don't have such evidences..

 

[Descender]

I'm just reading a police officer was killed and another one is in critical condition... terrible stuff.

 

[del1962]

Excuse me but it is supposed that any suspect is innocent until it is proved without any doubd that s/he is guilty. So I really don't understand why the FBI puplish photos of the suspects, and show their faces in public. If these people are proved innocent it would be totally unfair to have their photos online as criminals, or terrorists etc.

Unless they have a camera evidence that shows them to put somewhere the bombs.. but I suppose that they don't have such evidences..

Don't see the problem, the FBI said they wanted to question them, this happens all the time. If they came forward and where innocent then police could eliminate them from enquiries.

 

[Descender]

Excuse me but it is supposed that any suspect is innocent until it is proved without any doubd that s/he is guilty. So I really don't understand why the FBI puplish photos of the suspects, and show their faces in public. If these people are proved innocent it would be totally unfair to have their photos online as criminals, or terrorists etc.

Unless they have a camera evidence that shows them to put somewhere the bombs.. but I suppose that they don't have such evidences..

Please tell me you're joking.

 

[alitogata]

Please tell me you're joking.

No I'm not joking. Do they have any camera shots that shows them putting the bombs there? Taking the bomb out of their bags and putting them there?
If they don't have, then publishing peoples faces as supposed suspects, for bombing or terrorism is illegal because it makes people wanted and destroys their reputation, no matter if they are truly guilty or innocent and of course without any trial.

Why did they publish these photos in the media? If they think they are suspects, they have to find them and arrest them in the first place, find proofs to accuse them and then make a trial.

 

[Ferminal]

There's a law against police revealing details of persons of interests?

 

[Descender]

No I'm not joking. Do they have any camera shots that shows them putting the bombs there? Taking the bomb out of their bags and putting them there?
If they don't have, then publishing peoples faces as supposed suspects, for bombing or terrorism is illegal because it makes people wanted and destroys their reputation, no matter if they are truly guilty or innocent and of course without any trial.

Why did they publish these photos in the media? If they think they are suspects, they have to find them and arrest them in the first place, find proofs to accuse them and then make a trial.

I'm still trying to think you're not serious, but then I remembered your comments on the Pistorius thread...

You do know these guys shot and killed a police officer, injured another, hijacked a car and ran away, right? Do you still think it is reasonable to think they are not guilty?

You're talking as if the FBI had just published the pictures of the first dodgy-looking guys they found... they crosschecked this thousands of times.

Publishing pictures of extremely dangerous suspects is not illegal, and it helps police tremendously to find the criminals through citizen cooperation, thereby preventing further casualties.

 

[alitogata]

There's a law against police revealing details of persons of interests?

I don't know the US laws but I suppose that there is for sure a law that doesn't allow to be someone named and shamed unless it is proved that he is guilty of any charges. These men in the photos haven't been in any trial though they shame them by showing their faces as suspects of a disgusting crime.

 

[alitogata]

I'm still trying to think you're not serious, but then I remembered your comments on the Pistorius thread...

You do know these guys shot and killed a police officer, injured another, hijacked a car and ran away, right? Do you still think it is reasonable to think they are not guilty?

You're talking as if the FBI had just published the pictures of the first dodgy-looking guys they found... they crosschecked this thousands of times.

Publishing pictures of extremely dangerous suspects is not illegal, and it helps police tremendously to find the criminals through citizen cooperation, thereby preventing further casualties.

And how do you know that what they did with the policeman has something to do with the bombings? How do you know that they didn't trafficking drugs there in the people, and they run to escape when the bombings happened. Or that they didn't have any other reason to get in conflict with the police during the incident with the bombings. Does this make them automatically guilty for the bombings??

I'm sick an tired reading about the supposed criminals who don't have the chance to have a fair trial.

 

[thirteen]

I don't know the US laws but I suppose that there is for sure a law that doesn't allow to be someone named and shamed unless it is proved that he is guilty of any charges. These men in the photos haven't been in any trial though they shame them by showing their faces as suspects of a disgusting crime.

they did not name anybody.

and they only said they were suspects, not they did it although i think it's likely they have more proof (photos) than they released.

they put the photos out because they needed help in identifying the individuals before they did more harm.

alas, one officer killed, another wounded, and there may be more individuals harmed. hopefully not.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Am I missing something? The two alleged perps in the pictures sure look Caucasian to me, particularly the guy with the white cap (the pictures on TV are somewhat clearer than the ones posted in this thread). Frankly, my first impression was, probably homegrown Americans. But everyone is saying, can’t tell what their ethnicity is. The FBI, with its access to enhancement technology, probably has much better pictures available, and if they want the public’s help in tracking these guys down, I don’t understand why they don’t make those pictures available.

Edit: now have seen a clearer picture, I guess it could be a mid-Eastern man. Still hard to tell.

The fact that there were two of them is being taken to indicate they’re part of an organization with a political agenda. But there were two shooters at Columbine, and they didn’t have a political message beyond, I hate the system. The FBI and assorted terrorist experts have also been saying the way they walked before and after planting the bombs indicates they had planned this carefully in advance, and it’s being reported there is evidence from older police logs of their actually carrying out a dry run. But again, the Columbine shooters were pretty well prepared, too.

Just because someone is mentally unbalanced doesn’t mean he can’t have a partner in crime, and that they can’t plan a mass murder in advance. I’ve been wondering if this could possibly be a copycat crime derived from Newtown, which of course was fairly close in both time and space. I can imagine a twisted mind saying, I can kill as many or more people, and if I use a bomb set off remotely, I don’t have to die in the process.

Edit: Amazingly, there is one guy who witnessed both the Boston and Waco explosions. In Boston, his wife was standing very close to one of the bombs, yet was unhurt. This description shows how random violence can be:



Though there are reports that one of the suspects has been captured, other reports say it's not clear that the person apprehended is a suspect in the bombing. There is also a police killing case now, and according to one report, the suspect is involved in that, not the bombing.

Seems like you and Rub probably want these guys to be Whisky Tango Racist with a political agenda.

How about keep the speculation down a bit until we get more facts?

 

[thirteen]

And how do you know that what they did with the policeman has something to do with the bombings? How do you know that they didn't trafficking drugs there in the people, and they run to escape when the bombings happened. Or that they didn't have any other reason to get in conflict with the police during the incident with the bombings. Does this make them automatically guilty for the bombings??

I'm sick an tired reading about the supposed criminals who don't have the chance to have a fair trial.

it has been reported that they identified themselves as the bombers during a carjack in the evening.

but i suppose you don't believe them, do you?

 

[Amsterhammer]

CNN identifies Chechen brothers as Tsarnaevs.

(@Glenn - will reply to you later today, rushing out now for a concert in Germany.)

 

[patricknd]

Seems like you and Rub probably want these guys to be Whisky Tango Racist with a political agenda.

How about keep the speculation down a bit until we get more facts?

of course, it makes better lecture material

 

[Descender]

I don't know the US laws but I suppose that there is for sure a law that doesn't allow to be someone named and shamed unless it is proved that he is guilty of any charges. These men in the photos haven't been in any trial though they shame them by showing their faces as suspects of a disgusting crime.

I know I've said it a couple of times already, but are you serious???

Do you really think it is illegal (or indeed wrong) to release information about suspects of a crime before they have gone through a trial? You are obviously wrong. There are no such laws in the US, and I am willing to bet my leg there aren't any such laws in Greece either. How exactly are they going to process them if you heavily limit the way police can act to arrest them?

We are not talking about wild-guessing here. As soon as authorities have solid reasons to think a certain individual is involved in a crime, especially if it's extremely dangerous individuals like these who are at large and heavily armed, it is their duty to do everything they can to locate and arrest them.

 

[ChrisE]

http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com/gallery/Will-Box-For-Passport/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/

This was linked from a Yahoo article, and is about the older brother who apparently was a boxer.

So, what we have here is some dude rolling around in an MB 10 years after his family fled Chechnya as refugees after a stopover in Kazakstan, who "has no American friends" who doesn't take his shirt off because he is "very religious" and has a great GF that converted to Islam. What a deal.

 

[alitogata]

they did not name anybody.

and they only said they were suspects, not they did it although i think it's likely they have more proof (photos) than they released.

they put the photos out because they needed help in identifying the individuals before they did more harm.

alas, one officer killed, another wounded, and there may be more individuals harmed. hopefully not.

For Gods shake. You don't need to say directly that someone is criminal. when you show his photos and then asking public to tell you who he is, and then saying that you do this in order not to let him do more harm.

It is like saying that these persons in these photographs are the most dangerous people in the world!! So this shows that you have somehow already convict them, without even a trial and without any prove.

And let me ask you something. If one of them is totally innocent and then this is proved, will the FBI publish his photographs with a notice that declares his innocence??

I don't think so.. So what currently happens is the defamation (in perpetuity) of persons who have not yet been proved guilty and for sure not for the crime that they are wanted as suspects. ( for the bombing.. the incident with the police perhaps has nothing to do with the bombings).

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Excuse me but it is supposed that any suspect is innocent until it is proved without any doubd that s/he is guilty. So I really don't understand why the FBI puplish photos of the suspects, and show their faces in public. If these people are proved innocent it would be totally unfair to have their photos online as criminals, or terrorists etc.

Unless they have a camera evidence that shows them to put somewhere the bombs.. but I suppose that they don't have such evidences..

You suppose wrong. The FBI has a photo or video that shows at least one of them planting the bombs and much more. They only showed what they needed in order to try and ID the terrorist.

 

[thirteen]

http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com/gallery/Will-Box-For-Passport/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/

This was linked from a Yahoo article, and is about the older brother who apparently was a boxer.

So, what we have here is some dude rolling around in an MB 10 years after his family fled Chechnya as refugees after a stopover in Kazakstan, who "has no American friends" who doesn't take his shirt off because he is "very religious" and has a great GF that converted to Islam. What a deal.

it seemed like the younger brother was much more assimilated -- at least according to a friend/acquaintance who spoke with CNN...

 

[alitogata]

I know I've said it a couple of times already, but are you serious???

Do you really think it is illegal (or indeed wrong) to release information about suspects of a crime before they have gone through a trial? You are obviously wrong. There are no such laws in the US, and I am willing to bet my leg there aren't any such laws in Greece either. How exactly are they going to process them if you heavily limit the way police can act to arrest them?

We are not talking about wild-guessing here. As soon as authorities have solid reasons to think a certain individual is involved in a crime, especially if it's extremely dangerous individuals like these who are at large and heavily armed, it is their duty to do everything they can to locate and arrest them.

How did you conclude that this individuals are extremely dangerous? Because they exchanged shooting with the Boston Police? Does this makes them guilty for the bombings as well??
The essential difference is that FBI publishes their photos as suspects for the bombings and not as charged for the shootings. Huge difference my friend between these cases..

 

[Descender]

And how do you know that what they did with the policeman has something to do with the bombings? How do you know that they didn't trafficking drugs there in the people, and they run to escape when the bombings happened. Or that they didn't have any other reason to get in conflict with the police during the incident with the bombings. Does this make them automatically guilty for the bombings??

I'm sick an tired reading about the supposed criminals who don't have the chance to have a fair trial.

OK, now I'm convinced you have to be trolling... I refuse to believe any sane and serious person could hold such stupid and shameful views.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com/gallery/Will-Box-For-Passport/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/

This was linked from a Yahoo article, and is about the older brother who apparently was a boxer.

So, what we have here is some dude rolling around in an MB 10 years after his family fled Chechnya as refugees after a stopover in Kazakstan, who "has no American friends" who doesn't take his shirt off because he is "very religious" and has a great GF that converted to Islam. What a deal.

He has a Mercedes and likes to dress "European style" according to his own words.

 

[ChrisE]

OK, now I'm convinced you have to be trolling... I refuse to believe any sane and serious person could hold such stupid and shameful views.

He's not trolling, just ignorant. Probably fresh off some anarchist demonstration in Greece.