Because we're going to race his grand fondo and dope to our eyeballs... who's in?TheGame said:Why is this in the clinic?
Because we're going to race his grand fondo and dope to our eyeballs... who's in?TheGame said:Why is this in the clinic?
Me too, can't wait. I've already got a test patch on my nuts.thirteen said:i've never done a gran fondo and likely never will. but, if i did, i'd really like to go to this one... i still like Floyd and think he would be a hoot to ride with.
alas, don't have nuts myself, but i'm sure members of the clinic can recommend alternate placement.pedaling squares said:Me too, can't wait. I've already got a test patch on my nuts.
Did Pantani or Vino bring cycling to its knees, tear off a giant scab and throw flaming gasoline into the wound? I don't think so.TrackCynic said:It's not any worse, but it's just as bad. There is a seam of hypocrisy by some Clinic members that it was OK for Pantani, Vino and some others to dope. In my eyes they are all cheats.
You're not wearing the patch long enough. Give it time, give it time.thirteen said:alas, don't have nuts myself...
Yes, I can easily see GF's for the guys mentioned in their respective countries. Perhaps it can be boiled down to entertainment or black/white.TrackCynic said:Pro cycling brought pro cycling to its knees, not just one man. Sure, he played his part and who knows what his motives were, but I still fail to see why it's OK to honour someone like Pantani because he was such a good climber. Following that logic, 20 years form now will it be OK to have "honorary" GFs for AC, Schleck, and Chicken Legs as they were such good climbers?
I personally wouldn't engage with a blatant WWF style cycling competition (we have been very close). On the GF's, the upside of getting out there and enjoy oneself on a bike outweighs the negatives imo.TrackCynic said:D&C, I think you hit the nail on the head about this whole doping-in-sport situation. Is pro sport really no different to Hollywood, in which case why not just let them get on with it? Just add a veneer of testing so that we can live in a state of denial, watch our heroes on TV, and Red Bull/Oakley/Trek/Specialized/Amgen continue to rake in the cash. For me, riding in a GF with a proven-doping rider fits into this category.
Or, is it still a sport where the best man/woman wins and we want to be pretty confident that he/she won because they had the most talent and put in the most hard work?
haverford said the testing was a PR sham.TrackCynic said:D&C, I think you hit the nail on the head about this whole doping-in-sport situation. Is pro sport really no different to Hollywood, in which case why not just let them get on with it? Just add a veneer of testing so that we can live in a state of denial, watch our heroes on TV, and Red Bull/Oakley/Trek/Specialized/Amgen continue to rake in the cash. For me, riding in a GF with a proven-doping rider fits into this category.
Or, is it still a sport where the best man/woman wins and we want to be pretty confident that he/she won because they had the most talent and put in the most hard work?
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“News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity.”
answer: you are not watching sport.TrackCynic said:D&C, I think you hit the nail on the head about this whole doping-in-sport situation. Is pro sport really no different to Hollywood, in which case why not just let them get on with it? Just add a veneer of testing so that we can live in a state of denial, watch our heroes on TV, and Red Bull/Oakley/Trek/Specialized/Amgen continue to rake in the cash. For me, riding in a GF with a proven-doping rider fits into this category.
Or, is it still a sport where the best man/woman wins and we want to be pretty confident that he/she won because they had the most talent and put in the most hard work?
Don't put Schleck or Ras in the same league as Alberto Contador. Ever.TrackCynic said:Pro cycling brought pro cycling to its knees, not just one man. Sure, he played his part and who knows what his motives were, but I still fail to see why it's OK to honour someone like Pantani because he was such a good climber. Following that logic, 20 years form now will it be OK to have "honorary" GFs for AC, Schleck, and Chicken Legs as they were such good climbers?
Yes, but I'm not sure you should be happy with guys like Rumšas on the starting line....thehog said:I'm a big fan of Fondo's. They are big business now. Seeing that Pro cycling has turned into a circus. In Europe they are massive. Get a lot of big names turning out.
One way to have a successful (money making) Fondo is for Floyd to get any and all ex-Dopers to ride it, from the 1998 Festina team to this past years R.D. riders no longer on a Pro Team.thehog said:http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2013/02/13/floyd-landis-pro-cycling-is-organized-crime/1916805/
I'm a big fan of Fondo's. They are big business now. Seeing that Pro cycling has turned into a circus. In Europe they are massive. Get a lot of big names turning out.
Looks like Landis needs to ride more--lots more.thehog said:http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2013/02/13/floyd-landis-pro-cycling-is-organized-crime/1916805/
I'm a big fan of Fondo's. They are big business now. Seeing that Pro cycling has turned into a circus. In Europe they are massive. Get a lot of big names turning out.
Why so serious?arjanh said:Yes, but I'm not sure you should be happy with guys like Rumšas on the starting line....
+1,000,000,000 to the power of piTrackCynic said:It's not any worse, but it's just as bad. There is a seam of hypocrisy by some Clinic members that it was OK for Pantani, Vino and some others to dope. In my eyes they are all cheats.
There's really only one cyclist that I can envision myself remaining as disgusted as some of my fellow forum-ites are with Landis 6-7 years after the events came to light. I am just not built to carry that sort of negative energy for that long. It requires an effort. I'm lazy.thehog said:Why so serious?
It's not a race. It's a family day out. Good food. Men and women, old and young, strong and weak all riding together. Good fun.
Lighten up. This is not Pro-mafia-cycling. It's a Fondo. The UCI can't get its filthy hands on this circuit.
Fondo are super fun. Rode many in my time. Met so many great people whilst taking 7 hours to finish a ride.ggusta said:There's really only one cyclist that I can envision myself remaining as disgusted as some of my fellow forum-ites are with Landis 6-7 years after the events came to light. I am just not built to carry that sort of negative energy for that long. It requires an effort. I'm lazy.
Well, quite a few of them are. But, yeah, 99% of the participants are just doing it for fun. And this includes, fortunately, quite a few ex-pros.thehog said:It's not a race. It's a family day out. Good food. Men and women, old and young, strong and weak all riding together. Good fun.
Must have missed this. There may be a couple of fools who excuse Vino but most think he is a chemical invention. Don't assume that everyone here shares the same opinion.TrackCynic said:It's not any worse, but it's just as bad. There is a seam of hypocrisy by some Clinic members that it was OK for Pantani, Vino and some others to dope. In my eyes they are all cheats.