Fancy Bears hack ADAMS system

[TeflonDub]

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It's interesting the amount of times Prednisolone comes up in these TUEs. I wish I had shares in the manufacturer of this.

I wonder do neopro contracts contain a probationary period clause where the cyclist must demonstrate exercise induced asthma within 12-months or they get released? Looks like they might as well have!

 

[doolols]

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I wonder do neopro contracts contain a probationary period clause where the cyclist must demonstrate exercise induced asthma within 12-months or they get released? Looks like they might as well have!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[BullsFan22]

At least they are not making stuff up. At the absolute worst/least, it underlines how easy it appears to be for top athletes to get a TUE and apparently abuse it. The bad thing form this worst/least, is that the majority of the readers (mostly seasonal fans or ones that in all likelihood don't know what TUE's actually are) won't care. They'll look at it the way Armstrong was looked at before he was busted. They'll call it a 'witch hunt,' 'smearing of character,' and now that it's Russian hackers that are involved, it will be dismissed even more and it will just spur more anti-Russian vitriol. It's already been slagged in the BBC and we already know what Travis Tygart thinks of it.

The best thing that could happen with this is actual failed drug tests that were swept under the rug (this happened years ago, en masse, with the USOC and USATF, where hundreds of positives were swept away and everyone was allowed to compete and at least half of them won medals at the Olympics and Worlds.). So if Serena and/or Venus failed drug tests at some point, and those tests were swept away by the USOC or WTA or ITF or IOC, etc, then it would really make people wonder. It obviously doesn't need to be the Williams sisters, it could be anyone.

 

[TeflonDub]

Wiggins allergy treatment seems to have progressed from Salbutamol inhalers in '08-'09 (when he was crap) to triamcinolone injections in '11-13 (when he was winning stage races). Purely coincidental I'm sure.

 

[doolols]

Interesting that the vast majority of these documents are TUEs, not AAFs.

So, yes, there may be a problem with how easy it is to get a TUE (and, more seriously, a retroactive one), but without AAFs, this isn't really a story.

 

[zlev11]

Triamcinolone is what Lance tested positive for during the '99 Tour (also known as Kenacort)

looks like Wiggins was on that during his dream 2012 season

 

[buckle]

The pattern emerging from the AAFs in pt 2 is that a TUE is granted almost indefinitely to cover a failed test.

 

[doolols]

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Triamcinolone is looks like Wiggins was on that during his dream 2012 season

But for one day (according to the TUE)? Beginning and ending on 26 June 2012. That's hardly going to affect a while season.

Perhaps of more interest when he was one it for a week in late April 2013, between the Giro del Trentino and the Giro d'Italia.

 

[doolols]

The pattern emerging from the AAFs in pt 2 is that a TUE is granted almost indefinitely to cover a failed test.

But we aren't seeing the failed tests, by and large.

 

[buckle]

The pattern emerging from the AAFs in pt 2 is that a TUE is granted almost indefinitely to cover a failed test.

But we aren't seeing the failed tests, by and large.

Check out all the Americans ...

 

[iejeecee]

I don't know who Heather Fisher is, but she must be barely alive with the amount of medicine she needs to take on a daily basis....

 

[TeflonDub]

Froome's TUEs. There are really only two, one for the '13 Dauphine, and one for the '14 Tour of Romandie which Zorzoli went back to check after the Inhalergate and noticed he had inadvertantly made it through the following year so had to submit a correction. Three whacks at it before he got it right!
Edit: Higher Def version here: https://twitter.com/TeflonDub/status/776200144387772416

 

[TeflonDub]

Here are Wiggins' TUEs.

Salbutamol inhalers on the top row ('08-'09).

Triamcinolone injections on the bottom ('11-'13).

Edit: Higher Def version here: https://twitter.com/TeflonDub/status/776210014692380672

 

[TeflonDub]

Most are just TUE's, but several significant Rio names with AAF's.

 

[TeflonDub]

Pernille Blume, Danish 50M Freestyle Gold medallist in Rio, allegedly tested positive (AAF) in Rio for Terbutaline. Has a valid TUE.

Robert Harting, German Discus (15th) in Rio, allegedly tested positive (AAF) in Rio for Glucocorticoids. Had a valid TUE in 2008.

Edit: Michelle Carter, US Gold medallist shot-putter in Rio, allegedly had a retroactive TUE request in January 2015 rejected. Three different glucocorticoids for an emergency treatment. Aren't retroactive requests usually made because of an AAF or on the expectation of one due to the half-life of the substances?

Kathleen Baker, US Gold and Silver medallist in Rio, another one who probably lost sleep with an alleged AAF. Just another world-beating asthmatic.

Sam Dorman, US Silver medallist diver in Rio, allegedly tested positive (AAF) in Rio for Adderall which he declared and has TUE. Probably doing college exams!

Mikhail Aloyan, Russian Silver medallist boxer in Rio, allegedly tested positive (AAF) in Rio for stimulants. Probably shouldn't get too attached to that medal!

 

[CTQ]

I don't know who Heather Fisher is, but she must be barely alive with the amount of medicine she needs to take on a daily basis....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-3718830/Heather-Fisher-fight-anorexia-reach-Brazil-rugby-sevens-star-determined-gold.html


She suffers from alopecia

 

[Catwhoorg]

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Also interesting is that Prednisolone is not specifically mentioned on WADA's banned list. It's not even in the database, despite its widespread use with TUEs.

Is it in the 'catch-all' "anything like this" rules?

S9 for in competition.

All glucocorticoids are prohibited when administered by oral, intravenous, intramuscular or rectal routes.

 

[jahn]

At first I was pretty excited but now I realize how toxic and combative this is. It's factual nationalism combatting paranoid and perceived nationalism The Russians weren't targeted for being Russian they were targeted for having a state-backed doping program utilizing violence and intimidation.

Also, legal and documented use of inhalers and corticosteroids? Please, tell me when you find anabolic steroids, hgh, and blood doping.

Another thing, using the target's own documentation to attack them is pretty farcical, considering the attacker's homers seemed to be taking whatever hell they pleased with no documentation. It's pretty easy to have suffer no leaks from the null void of darkness.

 

[buckle]

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Pernille Blume, Danish 50M Freestyle Gold medallist in Rio, allegedly tested positive (AAF) in Rio for Terbutaline. Has a valid TUE.

Robert Harting, German Discus (15th) in Rio, allegedly tested positive (AAF) in Rio for Glucocorticoids. Had a valid TUE in 2008.

Michelle Carter, US Gold medallist shot-putter in Rio, allegedly tested positive (AAF) in Rio for Glucocorticoids. Retroactive TUE rejected! Hmmm.

Kathleen Baker, US Gold and Silver medallist in Rio, another one who probably lost sleep with an alleged AAF. Just another world-beating asthmatic.

Sam Dorman, US Silver medallist diver in Rio, allegedly tested positive (AAF) in Rio for Adderall which he declared and has TUE. Probably doing college exams!

Mikhail Aloyan, Russian Silver medallist boxer in Rio, allegedly tested positive (AAF) in Rio for stimulants. Probably shouldn't get too attached to that medal!

On Baker's pred TUE, can you explain the submission and acknowledged date? This is the one extended to 2019.

 

[sniper]

Harting is sort of salient, as he did an antidoping commercial not long ago.

 

[veji11]

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At first I was pretty excited but now I realize how toxic and combative this is. It's factual nationalism combatting paranoid and perceived nationalism The Russians weren't targeted for being Russian they were targeted for having a state-backed doping program utilizing violence and intimidation.

Also, legal and documented use of inhalers and corticosteroids? Please, tell me when you find anabolic steroids, hgh, and blood doping.

Another thing, using the target's own documentation to attack them is pretty farcical, considering the attacker's homers seemed to be taking whatever hell they pleased with no documentation. It's pretty easy to have suffer no leaks from the null void of darkness.

We are all under no illusion on the virtues of what is happening here, this is tit for tat war actions from Russia in the sports' world.

Yet even meanspirited and bias whistleblowing has its use : there is a debate to be had on TUEs in sport. If you look at Wiggins' and Froome's TUEs, there arent' that many, so my point would simply be, why couldn't they just stop competition and treat whatever illness or difficulty they had at any given time, and then resume competition ?

There really needs to be a big movement towards treating athletes outside of competitions : you get sick or injured, you DNF, get better, and start again.

 

[buckle]

Kathleen Baker:

AAF 9/8/16
Tue "submitted" 12/1/15
Tue recognised 11/8/16 (18 month gap between submission and recognition with the latter coming 2 days after AAF)
Tue extended 7/1/19

A failed drugs test results in 4 year long Tue

 

[Zebadeedee]

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We are all under no illusion on the virtues of what is happening here, this is tit for tat war actions from Russia in the sports' world.

Yet even meanspirited and bias whistleblowing has its use : there is a debate to be had on TUEs in sport. If you look at Wiggins' and Froome's TUEs, there arent' that many, so my point would simply be, why couldn't they just stop competition and treat whatever illness or difficulty they had at any given time, and then resume competition ?

There really needs to be a big movement towards treating athletes outside of competitions : you get sick or injured, you DNF, get better, and start again.

Perhaps best exemplified by the Aussie tennis stars of the 1950s and 1969s, Emerson, Laver, Roche and co. whose playing motto was "If you compete, you're fit. If you're not fit, don't compete".

Politics aside, these revelations demonstrate clearly how abused the TUE system has become. World-beating Serena on five different banned substances at one point or another. Farcical.

 

[veji11]

Re: Re:

We are all under no illusion on the virtues of what is happening here, this is tit for tat war actions from Russia in the sports' world.

Yet even meanspirited and bias whistleblowing has its use : there is a debate to be had on TUEs in sport. If you look at Wiggins' and Froome's TUEs, there arent' that many, so my point would simply be, why couldn't they just stop competition and treat whatever illness or difficulty they had at any given time, and then resume competition ?

There really needs to be a big movement towards treating athletes outside of competitions : you get sick or injured, you DNF, get better, and start again.

Perhaps best exemplified by the Aussie tennis stars of the 1950s and 1969s, Emerson, Laver, Roche and co. whose playing motto was "If you compete, you're fit. If you're not fit, don't compete".

Politics aside, these revelations demonstrate clearly how abused the TUE system has become. World-beating Serena on five different banned substances at one point or another. Farcical.

exactly. Serena's 2014 spring is just textbook example of what shouldn't happen : she had a string of injuries and should just have retirer from Miami and rested and got better and properly healed with the assorted TUEs because this is what they are for, to help athletes get treated like anyone else, and only later come back to competition.

There needs to be more severity on competing while sick or injured : stop the race / tournament, get your TUE medication and rest, than come back fit again.

And here we aren't talking about the horrors you see in football where players can play years with regular injections because of a bad joint until they just limp like an 80 year old age 30.....

 

[Amnes2015]

i don't think this guys have a full TUE's and AAF's database dump , they just found a backdoor and can make targeted interrogations , fast before they are catched and banned from the server