Fancy Bears hack ADAMS system

[zigmeister]

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this dreep feed targeted release is started to backfire on the hack team because they seem to be cherry picking what to show and can't make comparisons with other athletes data

would be better to dump everything like wikileaks despite the lower impact , would be more credible

Do you really think the Fancy Bears care? Unpredictability is the aim, better to get denials from athletes before they release more.

Wiggins is the classic example, spent years pretending there were no needles, never had a TUE, even Walsh was in on the heist. For all to be proven otherwise hat the Sky myth is just that a myth. They are just USPS all over again just with a bigger marketing budget.

then explain froome's lack of tues

you're grasping at straws here, trying to keep up your ludicrous conspiracies

Let's concentrate on Wiggins for the moment before you start deflecting elsewhere, he has been caught in a lie. Which goes to show that if you're telling one lie you're mostly likely telling more covering up a much bigger issue of doping.

It's not surprising considering his transformation as a rider.

The other issue is is clear Sky are in on it as they applied for the TUE.

Do you have a quote/reference claiming he never had a TUE?

Thanks

 

[Rollthedice]

Can't wait to find out Mo's prescriptions. I bet prednisone, Salazar approved.

 

[zigmeister]

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We are all under no illusion on the virtues of what is happening here, this is tit for tat war actions from Russia in the sports' world.

Yet even meanspirited and bias whistleblowing has its use : there is a debate to be had on TUEs in sport. If you look at Wiggins' and Froome's TUEs, there arent' that many, so my point would simply be, why couldn't they just stop competition and treat whatever illness or difficulty they had at any given time, and then resume competition ?

There really needs to be a big movement towards treating athletes outside of competitions : you get sick or injured, you DNF, get better, and start again.

Perhaps best exemplified by the Aussie tennis stars of the 1950s and 1969s, Emerson, Laver, Roche and co. whose playing motto was "If you compete, you're fit. If you're not fit, don't compete".

Politics aside, these revelations demonstrate clearly how abused the TUE system has become. World-beating Serena on five different banned substances at one point or another. Farcical.

exactly. Serena's 2014 spring is just textbook example of what shouldn't happen : she had a string of injuries and should just have retirer from Miami and rested and got better and properly healed with the assorted TUEs because this is what they are for, to help athletes get treated like anyone else, and only later come back to competition.

There needs to be more severity on competing while sick or injured : stop the race / tournament, get your TUE medication and rest, than come back fit again.

And here we aren't talking about the horrors you see in football where players can play years with regular injections because of a bad joint until they just limp like an 80 year old age 30.....

I thought there were limits. For example, having too low cortisol, due to either abuse of the TUE system and taking doses of corticosteroids shutting down natural production by many cyclists (likely). Or as they claimed, exhaustion.

But many riders, not as many as these TUEs likely suggest, have been withheld from competing due to certain tests coming back abnormal.

???

Maybe I'm wrong on this though. But recall several riders now being allowed to ride. Not sure if that is a WADA rule, or was a team decision though.

Thx

 

[samhocking]

Wiggins & Sky's no needles statements were always in relation to recovery products after UCI introduced the no needles policy. The UCI no needles policy has a clause in it for cases requiring local injection of glucocorticosteroids (which Wiggins had) for medical reasons, which are subject to the Anti-Doping Rules and when on the Prohibited List, the rider must rest and is prevented from competing for 48 hours. (now two weeks).

Wiggins own statement largely just followed Sky's at the time and that was:
"It would be great on the Tour [de France] if they actually raided teams to see if they were toeing the line. Medical people in our team are adamant other teams are still using syringes for recovery. People who have a history of this sort of stuff aren't going to just suddenly say ‘OK, that's the law now, we'll stop'"

 

[Catwhoorg]

Maybe I'm wrong on this though. But recall several riders now being allowed to ride. Not sure if that is a WADA rule, or was a team decision though.

Thx

That was/is the MPCC rule.

 

[Benotti69]

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Wiggins & Sky's no needles statements were always in relation to recovery products after UCI introduced the no needles policy. The UCI no needles policy has a clause in it for cases requiring local injection of glucocorticosteroids (which Wiggins had) for medical reasons, which are subject to the Anti-Doping Rules and when on the Prohibited List, the rider must rest and is prevented from competing for 48 hours. (now two weeks).

Wiggins own statement largely just followed Sky's at the time and that was:
"It would be great on the Tour [de France] if they actually raided teams to see if they were toeing the line. Medical people in our team are adamant other teams are still using syringes for recovery. People who have a history of this sort of stuff aren't going to just suddenly say ‘OK, that's the law now, we'll stop'"

What complete tosh. Wiggins and Sky are complete hypocrites.

...and a statement by a WIGGINS spokesperson that there was “nothing new here” was disingenuous at best. It was by no means common knowledge that Wiggins, then at Team Highroad, had received TUEs in 2008 to treat asthma with Salbutamol, Fluticasone, Formoterol and Budesonide.

from CN itself, hardly one for taking a hard stance, can call Wiggins bluff on this.

Wiggins won the TdF when UCI were the same that oversaw Armstrongs. Wiggins is a doper. This is fluff compared to what other stuff he was on that there are TUEs for.

When athletes tell lies, you can be sure they are doping. Especially GT winning ones.

 

[The Hitch]

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I haven't chimed in on this forum with an overall opinion, several posters have gone unnoticed while saying the important things: this release doesn't matter.

Anti-doping skeptics will use this as evidence that athletes are gaming the system to take drugs. Doping apologists will say that it is all legal, transparent, and not nefarious. Both are using these TUEs to imply a bigger peice: clean athletes are clean because they do everything legally and scrupulously to follow rules, or dirty athletes are dirty because even the "clean" ones are taking drugs. Neither can make any reasonable claims about the cleanliness of one athlete or another; this information has no bearing on illegal drugs not detected by tests, or illegal methods not detected by data collection. This information has no bearing on the illegal drugs offered to an athlete because the athlete has integrity. While it does offer insight into individuals, without more context of whether that athlete actually needs the therapeutic use, readers will simply use their own lens to conclude that the leak confirms their perspective.

There is nothing released that changes our understanding of the sport.

This release is doing nothing but hardening people's opinions of things on which there cannot be opinions (only facts).

Exactly what I've been saying.

Epo >>>> paracetamol

 

[samhocking]

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Wiggins & Sky's no needles statements were always in relation to recovery products after UCI introduced the no needles policy. The UCI no needles policy has a clause in it for cases requiring local injection of glucocorticosteroids (which Wiggins had) for medical reasons, which are subject to the Anti-Doping Rules and when on the Prohibited List, the rider must rest and is prevented from competing for 48 hours. (now two weeks).

Wiggins own statement largely just followed Sky's at the time and that was:
"It would be great on the Tour [de France] if they actually raided teams to see if they were toeing the line. Medical people in our team are adamant other teams are still using syringes for recovery. People who have a history of this sort of stuff aren't going to just suddenly say ‘OK, that's the law now, we'll stop'"

What complete tosh. Wiggins and Sky are complete hypocrites.

...and a statement by a WIGGINS spokesperson that there was “nothing new here” was disingenuous at best. It was by no means common knowledge that Wiggins, then at Team Highroad, had received TUEs in 2008 to treat asthma with Salbutamol, Fluticasone, Formoterol and Budesonide.

from CN itself, hardly one for taking a hard stance, can call Wiggins bluff on this.

Wiggins won the TdF when UCI were the same that oversaw Armstrongs. Wiggins is a doper. This is fluff compared to what other stuff he was on that there are TUEs for.

When athletes tell lies, you can be sure they are doping. Especially GT winning ones.

Pretty sure they mean there's nothing new here in seeing the TUEs from Fancy Bear. i.e. He's always had Asthma & Hayfever for his entire career backed up with TUEs. Crikey you used to see him taking a puff on his inhaler and putting eyedrops at Herne Hill sometimes. If you've followed his career and seen him on the track etc, having a TUE is expected, especially at the very top level. Again it comes down to if you think the medical background to each TUE is falsified. I've got less evidence to suggest he hasn't got Ashtma or Hayfever and more that he has because i've seen him with my own eyes treating it himself.

 

[noddy69]

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Wiggins & Sky's no needles statements were always in relation to recovery products after UCI introduced the no needles policy. The UCI no needles policy has a clause in it for cases requiring local injection of glucocorticosteroids (which Wiggins had) for medical reasons, which are subject to the Anti-Doping Rules and when on the Prohibited List, the rider must rest and is prevented from competing for 48 hours. (now two weeks).

Wiggins own statement largely just followed Sky's at the time and that was:
"It would be great on the Tour [de France] if they actually raided teams to see if they were toeing the line. Medical people in our team are adamant other teams are still using syringes for recovery. People who have a history of this sort of stuff aren't going to just suddenly say ‘OK, that's the law now, we'll stop'"

What complete tosh. Wiggins and Sky are complete hypocrites.

...and a statement by a WIGGINS spokesperson that there was “nothing new here” was disingenuous at best. It was by no means common knowledge that Wiggins, then at Team Highroad, had received TUEs in 2008 to treat asthma with Salbutamol, Fluticasone, Formoterol and Budesonide.

from CN itself, hardly one for taking a hard stance, can call Wiggins bluff on this.

Wiggins won the TdF when UCI were the same that oversaw Armstrongs. Wiggins is a doper. This is fluff compared to what other stuff he was on that there are TUEs for.

When athletes tell lies, you can be sure they are doping. Especially GT winning ones.

Pretty sure they mean there's nothing new here in seeing the TUEs from Fancy Bear. i.e. He's always had Asthma & Hayfever for his entire career backed up with TUEs. Crikey you used to see him taking a puff on his inhaler and putting eyedrops at Herne Hill sometimes. If you've followed his career and seen him on the track etc, having a TUE is expected, especially at the very top level. Again it comes down to if you think the medical background to each TUE is falsified. I've got less evidence to suggest he hasn't got Ashtma or Hayfever and more that he has because i've seen him with my own eyes treating it himself.

Just to question- Wiggins treatments seem to only be necessary before Grand Tours and not all year round - so was he treating himself with something legal and no TUE on the track when you see him puffing away- if so has he changed his treatment to something which needs a TUE and why ? or been taking and not declaring all year- just some food for thought.

The statement of a TUE being expected on the track, that I believe.

 

[PremierAndrew]

RA is seriously crippling. No surprise that Bobridge has a load of TUEs for it

 

[TeflonDub]

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Wiggins & Sky's no needles statements were always in relation to recovery products after UCI introduced the no needles policy. The UCI no needles policy has a clause in it for cases requiring local injection of glucocorticosteroids (which Wiggins had) for medical reasons, which are subject to the Anti-Doping Rules and when on the Prohibited List, the rider must rest and is prevented from competing for 48 hours. (now two weeks).

Wiggins own statement largely just followed Sky's at the time and that was:
"It would be great on the Tour [de France] if they actually raided teams to see if they were toeing the line. Medical people in our team are adamant other teams are still using syringes for recovery. People who have a history of this sort of stuff aren't going to just suddenly say ‘OK, that's the law now, we'll stop'"

How exactly did you come to this conclusion? In one of Wiggins many autobiographies (the one published in 2012, I'm not sure which number it was, maybe the third - 'The Prisoner of Azkaban'??), he stated:

"I've never had an injection, apart from I’ve had my vaccinations, and on occasion I’ve been put on a drip, when I’ve come down with diarrhoea or something or have been severely dehydrated."

 

[sniper]

I saw that excerpt.
It also says needles are taboo within team sky.
Sir Brad caught with a lie.
Say it ain't so.

Brad should've known only Greg Lemond gets away with such stories.

 

[TheSpud]

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a new cyclist, Bobridge , 6 TUE's
http://fancybear.net/pages/3.html

Laura Trott, 1TUE

overall part3 is weak , almost nothing

Rheumatoid arthritis? Bobridge should be competing in the disabled olympic competitions...

It's manageable with over the counter painkillers and injections such as the one listed on the TUE.

That's not entirely true, I have a similar type of arthritis and over the counter meds won't do much. Prednisolone is used but not as a long term solution. Normally Pred and / or injections would be used to get it under control. Long term treatment is then methotrexate and / or sulfasalazin - steroids shouldn't be needed again. It's an auto immune condition which is why methotrexate is used - it suppresses the immune system. I was on Pred for a month and my doc wanted me off it as soon as possible. This TUE looks odd to me.

 

[Benotti69]

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Wiggins & Sky's no needles statements were always in relation to recovery products after UCI introduced the no needles policy. The UCI no needles policy has a clause in it for cases requiring local injection of glucocorticosteroids (which Wiggins had) for medical reasons, which are subject to the Anti-Doping Rules and when on the Prohibited List, the rider must rest and is prevented from competing for 48 hours. (now two weeks).

Wiggins own statement largely just followed Sky's at the time and that was:
"It would be great on the Tour [de France] if they actually raided teams to see if they were toeing the line. Medical people in our team are adamant other teams are still using syringes for recovery. People who have a history of this sort of stuff aren't going to just suddenly say ‘OK, that's the law now, we'll stop'"

What complete tosh. Wiggins and Sky are complete hypocrites.

...and a statement by a WIGGINS spokesperson that there was “nothing new here” was disingenuous at best. It was by no means common knowledge that Wiggins, then at Team Highroad, had received TUEs in 2008 to treat asthma with Salbutamol, Fluticasone, Formoterol and Budesonide.

from CN itself, hardly one for taking a hard stance, can call Wiggins bluff on this.

Wiggins won the TdF when UCI were the same that oversaw Armstrongs. Wiggins is a doper. This is fluff compared to what other stuff he was on that there are TUEs for.

When athletes tell lies, you can be sure they are doping. Especially GT winning ones.

Pretty sure they mean there's nothing new here in seeing the TUEs from Fancy Bear. i.e. He's always had Asthma & Hayfever for his entire career backed up with TUEs. Crikey you used to see him taking a puff on his inhaler and putting eyedrops at Herne Hill sometimes. If you've followed his career and seen him on the track etc, having a TUE is expected, especially at the very top level. Again it comes down to if you think the medical background to each TUE is falsified. I've got less evidence to suggest he hasn't got Ashtma or Hayfever and more that he has because i've seen him with my own eyes treating it himself.

Even Jeroen Swart has tweeted that Wiggins and Sky look very bad.

Your love is admirable, but it can't hide that Wiggins is a liar and in pro cycling, liars are also dopers.

 

[thehog]

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Wiggins & Sky's no needles statements were always in relation to recovery products after UCI introduced the no needles policy. The UCI no needles policy has a clause in it for cases requiring local injection of glucocorticosteroids (which Wiggins had) for medical reasons, which are subject to the Anti-Doping Rules and when on the Prohibited List, the rider must rest and is prevented from competing for 48 hours. (now two weeks).

Wiggins own statement largely just followed Sky's at the time and that was:
"It would be great on the Tour [de France] if they actually raided teams to see if they were toeing the line. Medical people in our team are adamant other teams are still using syringes for recovery. People who have a history of this sort of stuff aren't going to just suddenly say ‘OK, that's the law now, we'll stop'"

What complete tosh. Wiggins and Sky are complete hypocrites.

...and a statement by a WIGGINS spokesperson that there was “nothing new here” was disingenuous at best. It was by no means common knowledge that Wiggins, then at Team Highroad, had received TUEs in 2008 to treat asthma with Salbutamol, Fluticasone, Formoterol and Budesonide.

from CN itself, hardly one for taking a hard stance, can call Wiggins bluff on this.

Wiggins won the TdF when UCI were the same that oversaw Armstrongs. Wiggins is a doper. This is fluff compared to what other stuff he was on that there are TUEs for.

When athletes tell lies, you can be sure they are doping. Especially GT winning ones.

Pretty sure they mean there's nothing new here in seeing the TUEs from Fancy Bear. i.e. He's always had Asthma & Hayfever for his entire career backed up with TUEs. Crikey you used to see him taking a puff on his inhaler and putting eyedrops at Herne Hill sometimes. If you've followed his career and seen him on the track etc, having a TUE is expected, especially at the very top level. Again it comes down to if you think the medical background to each TUE is falsified. I've got less evidence to suggest he hasn't got Ashtma or Hayfever and more that he has because i've seen him with my own eyes treating it himself.

Even Jeroen Swart has tweeted that Wiggins and Sky look very bad.

Your love is admirable, but it can't hide that Wiggins is a liar and in pro cycling, liars are also dopers.

That might have more to do with Swart championing Froome and wanting to dig the boots into Wiggins again. However I don't disagree with what Swart said.

 

[Benotti69]

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Wiggins & Sky's no needles statements were always in relation to recovery products after UCI introduced the no needles policy. The UCI no needles policy has a clause in it for cases requiring local injection of glucocorticosteroids (which Wiggins had) for medical reasons, which are subject to the Anti-Doping Rules and when on the Prohibited List, the rider must rest and is prevented from competing for 48 hours. (now two weeks).

Wiggins own statement largely just followed Sky's at the time and that was:
"It would be great on the Tour [de France] if they actually raided teams to see if they were toeing the line. Medical people in our team are adamant other teams are still using syringes for recovery. People who have a history of this sort of stuff aren't going to just suddenly say ‘OK, that's the law now, we'll stop'"

What complete tosh. Wiggins and Sky are complete hypocrites.

...and a statement by a WIGGINS spokesperson that there was “nothing new here” was disingenuous at best. It was by no means common knowledge that Wiggins, then at Team Highroad, had received TUEs in 2008 to treat asthma with Salbutamol, Fluticasone, Formoterol and Budesonide.

from CN itself, hardly one for taking a hard stance, can call Wiggins bluff on this.

Wiggins won the TdF when UCI were the same that oversaw Armstrongs. Wiggins is a doper. This is fluff compared to what other stuff he was on that there are TUEs for.

When athletes tell lies, you can be sure they are doping. Especially GT winning ones.

Pretty sure they mean there's nothing new here in seeing the TUEs from Fancy Bear. i.e. He's always had Asthma & Hayfever for his entire career backed up with TUEs. Crikey you used to see him taking a puff on his inhaler and putting eyedrops at Herne Hill sometimes. If you've followed his career and seen him on the track etc, having a TUE is expected, especially at the very top level. Again it comes down to if you think the medical background to each TUE is falsified. I've got less evidence to suggest he hasn't got Ashtma or Hayfever and more that he has because i've seen him with my own eyes treating it himself.

Even Jeroen Swart has tweeted that Wiggins and Sky look very bad.

Your love is admirable, but it can't hide that Wiggins is a liar and in pro cycling, liars are also dopers.

That might have more to do with Swart championing Froome and wanting to dig the boots into Wiggins again. However I don't disagree with what Swart said.

I cannot disagree with you. Swart is firmly in the Froome camp.

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

People in the sport are talking about this and are mad as hell. "F him" is being thrown around a lot. Too bad I cannot name names. It is funny, though...almost tragically funny.

 

[BullsFan22]

People in the sport are talking about this and are mad as hell. "F him" is being thrown around a lot. Too bad I cannot name names. It is funny, though...almost tragically funny.

Who exactly are you talking about? Or is the "F him" just a general feeling of athletes towards...whoever, because their records have gone public?

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

People in the sport are talking about this and are mad as hell. "F him" is being thrown around a lot. Too bad I cannot name names. It is funny, though...almost tragically funny.

Who exactly are you talking about? Or is the "F him" just a general feeling of athletes towards...whoever, because their records have gone public?

Nope. I am talking about people who are actively in the sport, running it really. The anger is being directed toward specific riders (like Wiggins), who for some reason people believed. It is astonishing that people with oodles of personal experience with doping in cycling still believed. The capacity of humans to delude themselves defies all logic. It really says something about the viability of democracy.

Cynicism never fails.

 

[sniper]

Can't access their site anymore. Was it taken down?

 

[thehog]

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Can't access their site anymore. Was it taken down?

Don't worry, Fancy is back now. Travis is reading John 3:16 to the ISP as we speak to have it taken offline.

 

[sniper]

Lol! Good times.
Popcorn well spent.

 

[Puckfiend]

It is looking to me like these Russian "bone idle wankers" have Sir Bradley and Sir Dave on the run.

 

[BullsFan22]

It seems to me that Fancy Bears are done for good. They pissed off the powers that be and made people aware of the abuse of the TUE. At least they were able to do that in the short time amount of time.

 

[Amnes2015]

People in the sport are talking about this and are mad as hell. "F him" is being thrown around a lot. Too bad I cannot name names. It is funny, though...almost tragically funny.

let me guess you have an uncle that is a doctor/mechanic a Sky