fantasy doping draft

[Tonton]

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For my next pick I will take Wilfried Peeters to be help to Tom Steels in the sprints. Not a lead out man as such, but can be put on the front to help catch a breakaway or keep the pace high in the final couple of kilometers. Also a good cobbles rider if there is a cobbles stage could be vital in helping Contador.

What year, what GT?

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

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For my next pick I will take Wilfried Peeters to be help to Tom Steels in the sprints. Not a lead out man as such, but can be put on the front to help catch a breakaway or keep the pace high in the final couple of kilometers. Also a good cobbles rider if there is a cobbles stage could be vital in helping Contador.

What year, what GT?

Sorry, I was relying on people putting both my posts together. 1998.

 

[The Hitch]

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Petacchi was also a very good climber for a sprinter. He will have no problem making the time limit on the full gas mountain stages unlike some of the other sprinters.

Didn't think of that

Hopefully organizers go with cav 2011 rule of just docking him sprint points.

 

[Netserk]

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Petacchi was also a very good climber for a sprinter. He will have no problem making the time limit on the full gas mountain stages unlike some of the other sprinters.

Didn't think of that

Hopefully organizers go with cav 2011 rule of just docking him sprint points.

The grupetto has to be of a certain size for them to be able to save them With the little number of bad climbers picked so far, I doubt there'll be enough

 

[Jancouver]

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All sprinters are screwed anyway, because there are almost no rouleur-type domestiques to pull from the autobus.

That's why my sprinter is Jaja

Edit:

To add to the colorful nature of the péloton, I've had a look to see who has national champions. There's only a few riders who were wearing national colours at the time of their selection; only one jersey is claimed by two men (the Spanish ITT jersey). If this were a real péloton I would argue that the lower draft pick should be subordinate to the higher and therefore Olano must cede his jersey to Contador.

There are the following national champions in the Doping Draft péloton thus far:

Germany road race - Jan Ullrich 1997 (Team Sceptic)
Germany time trial - Jan Ullrich 1997 (Team Sceptic)
Spain time trial - Alberto Contador 2009 (Team Green Monkey) (also Abraham Olano 1998)
Italy road race - Vincenzo Nibali 2014 (Team Hitch p/b Amgen)
Luxembourg road race - Andy Schleck 2009 (Team Hitch p/b Amgen)
Belgium road race - Tom Steels 1998 (Team Green Monkey)
Kazakhstan road race - Andrey Kashechkin 2006 (Equipo Libertine Seguros-Banesto p/b ONCE)

So are you taking Paco Mancebo next? He was national champ and would fit your team nicely as super-domestique

 

[May0maniac]

Strange that a certain GT winner, who was also a decent classics rider, is still available...

 

[Tonton]

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Strange that a certain GT winner, who was also a decent classics rider, is still available...

He's mine, if he makes it that far .

 

[The Hitch]

Very strange indeed. I would have picked him 3 rounds ago but can't due to my self imposed - no 2 riders from the same country rule.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I thought he'd go in the first half of the draft.

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

There is still heaps of GT winners not selected. 2 Tour, 4 Giro and 3 Vuelta if I have counted properly

 

[London Hibs]

Really surprised that Rodolfo Massi isn't in any team selections.

I'm not on any commission, but surely he should have been an early pick?

 

[hrotha]

Depends on what criteria you're using. While Massi was a ridiculously obvious doper, he wasn't that strong in absolute terms.

 

[doperhopper]

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Depends on what criteria you're using. While Massi was a ridiculously obvious doper, he wasn't that strong in absolute terms.

maybe this can be solved by some kind of a "Fantasy donkey-racehorse draft" where the team is supposed to achieve the best possible results when juiced to the gills and the worst when on pan y agua (so it would be about Riccos and Cobos of the known cycling universe)

 

[Tonton]

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Depends on what criteria you're using. While Massi was a ridiculously obvious doper, he wasn't that strong in absolute terms.

maybe this can be solved by some kind of a "Fantasy donkey-racehorse draft" where the team is supposed to achieve the best possible results when juiced to the gills and the worst when on pan y agua (so it would be about Riccos and Cobos of the known cycling universe)

How would you know? They all started doping in the crib. Hein was disguised as a doctor and shooting them with pot belge at their 2-year check up. They have never been clean.

 

[ciranda]

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donkey-racehorse draft

Does not apply to Massi. As an amateur he was always strong. In his first Giro he crashed badly into a wall next to a tunnel entrance. A complicated fracture from the crash meant one of his legs was way shorter and it took years before he was back and even longer before he got some special shoes to solve the back injuries that followed. He was with Casino, of course, but he is also someone who had talent to begin with.

 

[May0maniac]

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donkey-racehorse draft

Does not apply to Massi. As an amateur he was always strong. In his first Giro he crashed badly into a wall next to a tunnel entrance. A complicated fracture from the crash meant one of his legs was way shorter and it took years before he was back and even longer before he got some special shoes to solve the back injuries that followed. He was with Casino, of course, but he is also someone who had talent to begin with.

You could say the same about Ivan Gotti, he won the Giro della Valle d'Aosta in 89 an 90, 2nd in the 90 Girobio. The guy was obviously doped to the gills, but he was a very talented rider.

 

[Miburo]

Should have taken lance '05 hitch. Ferrari said that was the best ever lance but he took it easy for the critics

Late post lol

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Clock is ticking on burning's pick, Zlev picked 6 days ago. I now have about 4 candidates in mind for pick 81, 2 of which are at the forefront, and with 5 picks to go before I'm up again...

 

[Tonton]

Well, we all know burning is slow cooking .
Anyways, looking at what comes after the draft, here are a few options that have been suggested:
1. Opening a poll, let all other forum participants pick the Team they think is the best, the dopest. Argue and counter-troll. Give the poll a time limit, have a winner. Question: can we have a poll with, say, 3 points, 2 points,1 point, so all can vote for a podium?
2. Members and DS argue the top-10 on a GT. The problem is, what GT? Maybe have DS design a course, taking turns with an itinerary, setting rules like start no further than 50k (?) from the previous finish, only transfers after week 1 and week 2. That would be two stage picks for each DS (+ finish stage in Paris) and a week in each country. Or 3 picks, a 31 day GT. But how do we know if Berzin beats BigMig in the ITT, comparing different years/GT performances? By how much?
And looking at some slow response times, the 2. will certainly outlive us .
Ideas anyone?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

burning has been online a few times in the week but hasn't posted in a few days so may not have had a great deal of time.

Go for the moon. Big debates. Open poll. Much discussion. Explanation of how the team will act and how the team fits together. I'm eagerly awaiting making my final pick, lol.

I was asked to set a course. I have a rough idea of what to do with it, but want to make sure it is not biased in anybody's favour (even my own) but also that it reflects cycling over the whole of the 1990-2015 era. It's hopefully going to be a love letter to the EPO era, with a large number of "METRE points" (Monuments to Extra-Terrestrial Racing Examples), honoring classic dope shows.

 

[hrotha]

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Go for the moon. Big debates. Open poll. Much discussion. Explanation of how the team will act and how the team fits together. I'm eagerly awaiting making my final pick, lol.

Treat this like a wargame and have people basically roleplay the stages. The DM decides how every action turns out, depending on the perceived stats of the involved riders, the terrain, and a d20.

Alternatively, put together a Pro Cycling Manager database (discuss the rider stats here), simulate it there and post screenshots and reports here.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Well, first thing's first, we have to finish the draft itself.

Based on the precedent set when netserk got Savoldelli, burning's time on the clock has elapsed. I PMed them to let them know it was their turn, and know it's been read and they've been online since. Sceptic can confirm since it's their game, but I think this means for the second time, netserk moves up a pick, and therefore the next pick can be either burning or netserk, whoever picks first?

 

[burning]

Sorry for the continous delays, I really did not expect to be that busy in RL when I entered the draft.

Anyway, I really can not think about a better pick and I am drafting Killer from Giro 2007. (Sorry for cheating, I have really no time these days. )

 

[Netserk]

I'm picking Peter Sagan (Tour '12) as my 7th dom for Ivan.

Another awesome descender as well to guide Basso down the mountains, Sax will try to get in the breaks in the mountain stages and thus allow Basso to attack further from the end. He is also a powerhouse on the flat and will be excellent in the TTT, just like he will be great on cobbles and in the crosswinds. He will also bring a lot of goodwill and karma to the team with his awesome personality. Later in the race when all the fat sprinters have DNFed he might be allowed to win some stages, but his primary role is to help Basso win this race.

 

[Netserk]

Sagan, awesome as he is, will try to cheer y'all up and bring some party to the thread.

PS: Please Libertine, don't crash poor Peter and stop his party