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[Barrus]

I saw what I believe to be amphetimine shortly before a criterioum injected by two riders sharing the same neadle.

Out of all those things you mentioned Darryl, this one is possible the most daunting for me, sharing needles, amazing. I knew certain riders took risks,but this is just stupid. I hope that this at least was something infrequent and not something that happens in the current cycling

 

[Darryl Webster]

Out of all those things you mentioned Darryl, this one is possible the most daunting for me, sharing needles, amazing. I knew certain riders took risks,but this is just stupid. I hope that this at least was something infrequent and not something that happens in the current cycling

I have to admit my jaw dropped myself. Though I had to hide my contempt givin my own position as a fellow rider privy to it.
Not only did they share the neadle but the 2nd user pushed it straight through the lycra of his shorts.
Not withstanding the "bravado" of being so flippant it sais much about the personalities of the two peeps involved.
First user did it" properly" and went on to win a National Tour the folowing seasonand is still very much involved in the sport at the very top leval ( much to my consternation cus its a team we the great majority of us belive to be clean (?). Second user retired within a year or so and took to the bottle heavily but I belive is still with us ( before anyone jumps to conclusions) . I dont wish to offend the memory of someone else.

 

[Race Radio]

I`d accept Lemond as possibly the only "clean" winner of the TDF ever.

Ahhh, Poor Polish. This was not the answer he was looking for.

Thanks for the info Darryl. Good to have you here

 

[Anonymous]

Ahhh, Poor Polish. This was not the answer he was looking for.

Thanks for the info Darryl. Good to have you here

And obviously BPC's a$$ kissing will come to naught. I don't think these kind of things fit his narrative very well.

I appreciate the stories about what Mr Webster saw, I just did not appreciate the manner by which Polish asked the question.

Mr Webster, know that Polish and Jimmy Riddle are what we refer to as "trolls" and will do nothing but be disrespectful and dishonest if you counter their belief that doping is a fine thing to do and that it is far from widespread. If you read long enough, you will see them for what they are.

Thank you for the contributions again though.

 

[Polish]

Ahhh, Poor Polish. This was not the answer he was looking for.

Thanks for the info Darryl. Good to have you here

Actually, Race, Darryl's response was precisely the kind of insight I was hoping for

But it does not suprise me that you misunderstood. TFF too.

And Darryl seems to actually KNOW what he is talking about - unlike a handful of WFA's on this forum, you and TFF included

 

[Anonymous]

Actually, Race, Darryl's response was precisely the kind of insight I was hoping for

But it does not suprise me that you misunderstood. TFF too.

And Darryl seems to actually KNOW what he is talking about - unlike a handful of WFA's on this forum, you and TFF included

Says the man with the insight of gnat when it comes to doping in cycling. Funny, for all of your trolling, you seem to have a bit of a thin skin.

 

[Jimmy Riddle]

A$$ kissing? I saw a user obsessed with 'trolls' (people who don't agree with everything he says) and is a control freak who tries to moderate the message board (whilst at the same time being the first person to whine when his own posts get edited,) trying to drag a new user to the board into his narrow drama. It was unnecessary. Don't do it again.

And just because Polish is a funny guy doesn't make him a troll, of course.

It must irritate the hell out of you that he never rises to your baiting where you consistently pretend he is trolling (a practise which of course is trolling itself).

 

[Darryl Webster]

And obviously BPC's a$$ kissing will come to naught. I don't think these kind of things fit his narrative very well.

I appreciate the stories about what Mr Webster saw, I just did not appreciate the manner by which Polish asked the question.

Mr Webster, know that Polish and Jimmy Riddle are what we refer to as "trolls" and will do nothing but be disrespectful and dishonest if you counter their belief that doping is a fine thing to do and that it is far from widespread. If you read long enough, you will see them for what they are.

Thank you for the contributions again though.

Well after almost twenty years way from it and after much crunching of numbers ( watts/ kilo`s etc ) and reading numerous acounts I,d sugest it`s very widepread in the upper echelons and far more sophisticated than ever before.
I think the effects of EPO in particular exceed any previously used drugs % wise and much of the drug use of the 60`s , and 70`s had little real efect in elevating performance but did help combat the sever fatigue felt by pro riders.
It`s not condoning but its like the differance between taking a remedy for a cold and sneakily fitting an extra turbo on an F1 car.
I feal Lance has been the worst thing to happen to cycling in my lifetime and has changed the understanding of whats involved in GT riding..probably the most grueling sport there is and one that hasnt realy evolved from the horrendous cruelty of its beginings.
Done clean Gt riding depleats an athlete in such drastic ways that it never realy was a realistic exspectation. Hence the drug cuture was there at the start.
Change the expectation and the sport might change.

 

[Jimmy Riddle]

Done clean gt riding depleats an athlete in such drastic ways that it never realy was a realistic expectation. Hence the drug cuture was there at the start.
Change the expectation and the sport might change.

Yeah that's sort of my belief. I think the sport creates the culture rather than the governing bodies or 'the system'.

(I have spelling problems as well. When it gets a bit OTT I stick my posts through a spell checker. Your email account should have one)

 

[Polish]

I feal Lance has been the worst thing to happen to cycling in my lifetime and has changed the understanding of whats invilolved in GT riding.

Oooops. It seems to me Darryl does NOT know what he is talking about

My mistake again.

cheers again. cheerio.

 

[peloton]

Ta for the welcome peeps.

What did I see?. In uk pro scene I saw injected "supplements" that I believe to have been legal..Glucose , Iron etc.
I saw what I believe to be amphetimine shortly before a criterioum injected by two riders sharing the same neadle. One is currently working for a very succesful national team linked to a very well known sattalite broadcaster.
I`m aware ( cus I was there) of a urine from a team manager being passed in a drinks can to the same rider to curcumnavigate medical control and that when a certain race organistion got wind of it there action was to tell the manager to pull the team bar the one rider who had won a stage and no other action was taken. Said race organisation had as one of it`s members a certain Pat.
I was outspoken , as riders rep on the then PCA board, about the attitude towards doping within some of the uk ranks and that realy didnt sit well with some people.
My own take on uk pro racing then was nothing we took part in was hard enough to warrent doping. Thats not to say it was always easy but certainly no harder than Star Trophy racing.
Race callusion was as big an issue and one my own wins in 88 was partialy the result of getting away with a top amauter and being told effectivly " make sure your winning this or else youl have to sit on".
And thats exactly what happened.

With Teka I saw only the personal injecting of what I believe to be Iron by a good German rider but I have to say my time at Teka was not a good one and I actualy got to race very little that year.
What I did find is that my over the counter vitamin supplents consisting of vit C, Pharmaton and Metatone Tonic seemed to be viewed with much mirth.
Gossip about who used what included a uk " untouchable" who got a certain KOM in a certein big tour using HGH and steroid use amongst serveral top names on the uk scene. The first mutterings of epo I ever heard were in 89...Gert Jan Tunisse and Stevan Rooks being mentioned...but very little was known by most at that time I felt.
I rode alongside Lemond in the very early season Tour Of Americas in 89 and Id say , judging on how he was strugling , over weight etc that I`d accept Lemond as possibly the only "clean" winner of the TDF ever.

Wait! Are you saying that the super clean Team Sky might have someone with a shady history working for them?
Can't be true. Just ask TeamSkyFans.

 

[Anonymous]

Well after almost twenty years way from it and after much crunching of numbers ( watts/ kilo`s etc ) and reading numerous acounts Id sugest it`s very widepread in the upper echelons anf far more sophisticated than ever before.
I think the effects of EPO in particular exceed any previously used drugs % wise and much of the drug use of the 60`s , and 70`s had little real efect in elevating performance but did help combat the sever fatuige felt by pro riders.
Its not condoning but its like the differance between taking a re remady for cold and fitting sneakily fitting an extra turbo on an F1 car.
I feal Lance has been the worst thing to happen to cycling in my lifetime and has changed the understanding of whats invilolved in GT riding..probably the most grueling sport there is and one that hasnt realy ivolved from the horrendous cruelty of its beginings.
Done clean gt riding depleats an athlete in such drastic ways that it never realy was a realistic exspectation. Hence the drug cuture was there at the start.
Change the exspectation and the sport might change.

I also give credence to the notion that fans (me included) have perpetuated the problem. Not only do we want to see ever greater feats of strength, but we continue to use our purchasing power to buy the products that support a corrupt system. It is a hard line to draw because many of us have a love of cycling as a form of recreation and as a spectator, and when people are not getting busted for super human performances, we have to decide to quit watching based on assumption or just try to ignore that voice that says it really is too good to be true. I must admit that I still watch. I still hope that clean riding is becoming more prevalent. I also know that watching people like Contador in the TT in last year's TdF crest the top of the hill that was killing everyone else, and he looked like he could turn around and do it again does give me a sick feeling.

I agree that the expectation must be changed, but also know that not only do fans want to see amazing rides, but sponsors want the riders wearing their billboards to be on TV. The pressure for the rider to dope has to be intense at first, and the omerta we see is obviously bred from the knowledge they have that everyone else they ride with is making the same Faustian bargain as they, and that ceasing a medical program means a quick ride to obscurity and a new line of work.

I try not to judge too harshly those riders because we all are faced with choices in our lives, and I for one have chosen badly many times. It is people like Armstrong however, who have abused the people around him and who have questioned him, who do raise my ire. Not only was his example of riding for one goal and one goal only a detriment for the sport, but his willingness to destroy those who oppose doping and him personally is disgusting to many of us.

Thank you for your contributions. You are very welcome here, and I thank you for sharing your experience. Polish is right about one thing, there are people like me who have never sniffed a professional race as a participant, but who do still love the sport. To have first hand insight makes people like me more educated and aware of the sport I love to watch and participate in. We can't all be pros, and my talents certainly reside elsewhere (though I am a fairly good rider all things taken into account). I am also dyslexic, and only hide it with a very handy built-in spell checker. Almost every dyslexic I have ever know was brilliant, so you are in good company.

 

[Jimmy Riddle]

I am also dyslexic, and only hide it with a very handy built-in spell checker.

That's quite interesting, actually, because your long standing first line of attack on 'trolls' is to rip on their spelling rather than make an argument. It's your MO.

Of course, your next other line of attack is to call people mentally ill....draw your own conclusions folks.

Just remembered the "doctors note" he says he has for his DHEA supplement.

This TFF is quite a guy.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

That's quite interesting, actually, because your long standing first line of attack on 'trolls' is to rip on their spelling rather than make an argument. It's your MO.

Of course, your next other line of attack is to call people mentally ill....draw your own conclusions folks.

Just remembered the "doctors note" he says he has for his DHEA supplement.

This TFF is quite a guy.

Anyone who returns to the same site after being banned several dozen times has serious mental issues. Draw your own conclusions, folks.

 

[Anonymous]

Anyone who returns to the same site after being banned several dozen times has serious mental issues. Draw your own conclusions, folks.

Its funny, he hates me when in reality, he should heed my advice and go see a professional. Oh well, this iteration of psychoboy will be banned soon.

Actually, now, I am madder at the people who run the site more than anything. They let some some loser psycho with computer skills beat them over and over. It is quite annoying. I mean, he can't help the fact that he has a chemical imbalance, but they surely could find a way to permanently ban the guy.

 

[Jimmy Riddle]

Anyone who returns to the same site after being banned several dozen times has serious mental issues. Draw your own conclusions, folks.

When you say "serious mental issues", what do you mean? Schizophrenic, psychopath?

 

[Jimmy Riddle]

Its funny, he hates me when in reality, he should heed my advice and go see a professional. Oh well, this iteration of psychoboy will be banned soon.

I've seen the 'he hates me' line used by you before.

No, your the one who went after me. You're the one who spends your life trying to get "trolls", Mr Controll freak. Yet you see yourself as a victim.

Actually, now, I am madder at the people who run the site more than anything.

Don't you find that interesting? You're banned from half a dozen sites, you absolutely hate it when Susan gets a tiny bit of courage and deletes a few of your trolling bits, but here you are desperately trying to get other people edited.

It is interesting, is it not?

You don't like not being in control. I suspect this is because you lack control of your own life.

 

[Anonymous]

I've seen the 'he hates me' line used by you before.

No, your the one who went after me. You're the one who spends your life trying to get "trolls", Mr Controll freak. Yet you see yourself as a victim.



Don't you find that interesting? You're banned from half a dozen sites, you absolutely hate it when Susan gets a tiny bit of courage and deletes a few of your trolling bits, but here you are desperately trying to get other people edited.

It is interesting, is it not?

No, I actually take getting my posts deleted like a man. If I got, banned, (I have had two temporary bans here for profanity) I would take that like a man as I have in the past. See, the difference between you and me is that I am sane, and you are mentally ill. I don't take anything you think of me personally. You are a sick person, and you cannot help how you are.

As for being banned, I actually wear being banned from RBR (the only site which I am banned from posting) as a badge of honor. That place is full of moronic fanboys who, while not mentally ill like you, still produce some of the most idiotic content in the entirety of the interwebs. You almost fit in there...however, sadly you don't actually fit in anywhere...except for a mental hospital. Again, I am not being insulting. It is quite obvious to everyone but you that you are mentally ill. The patient is always the last to know...sad really...

 

[Jimmy Riddle]

Er, the word on the street is you flood these places with sock accounts. Not very manly at all.

You openly admit to trolling Armstrong sites too.

You're a hypocrite. A hypocrite with issues.

I won't bring up your substance abuse history because it's not nice really. But it explains a lot.

If you're going to dish it out then expect to take some back your own way.

 

[Anonymous]

Er, the word on the street is you flood these places with sock accounts. Not very manly at all.

You openly admit to trolling Armstrong sites too.

You're a hypocrite. A hypocrite with issues.

I won't bring up your substance abuse history because it's not nice really. But it explains a lot.

If you're going to dish it out then expect to take some back your own way.

Oh, I can take anything you have to give. I am long past taking the ruminations of a mentally ill person personally. You cannot help how you are.

As for my substance abuse history, well, my 19 years of clean and sober living are a testament to what a good program of recovery can do for a person. I don't take credit or blame for it. It is a genetic thing, and the solution was given to me freely, and is maintained by my continued acceptance of the fact that I will never be free from it completely. Its not something you can touch one way or the other. I really couldn't care less what you write or have to say about it. You don't really matter when it comes to that.

Oh, and I did help shut down one of the forums Armstrong had a few years ago. I wear it as a badge of honor. It was filled with people who are almost like you, only most of them were just idiots, they were not also mentally ill.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Troll poop.

Nevermind.

 

[Anonymous]

Nevermind.

Its almost like he never existed...almost...

 

[peloton]

Its almost like he never existed...almost...

He/she will be back soon. Must be good money LA & co pays...

 

[Ferminal]

Thanks Darryl!

 

[Tangled Tango]

On what grounds? No one wants to end up like Roman Polanski. If the Feds want to talk to with you, you don't ignore them and stay aboard. You come home and speak with them. You don't tell them you'll be home in 30 days time. You face the music. Because if you don't they have habit of turning up to your house and busting down the door and tearing the place apart looking for evidence.]

Lance has said he plans to return to the US after Switzerland to complete his Tour prep, but it´s more likely to fine tune his pre-Tour PED program far from the prying French testers, than to answer any questions. He may have to look to Spain instead. He´s running out of options.