File under "You have got to be &$(%ing kidding me?!

[Libertine Seguros]

cadel's dog...............fastest canine.............ever

Mark L

Alejandro's alsatian would tear little Molly apart.

 

[TheGame]

ah there are so many examples. TdF final GC 2005:
1. USA ARMSTRONG Lance DSC 86h15'02" 500 DOPER
2. ITA BASSO Ivan CSC 04'40" 375 DOPER
3. GER ULLRICH Jan TMO 06'21" 300 DOPER
4. ESP MANCEBO PEREZ Francisco IBA 09'59" 275 DOPER
5. KAZ VINOKOUROV Alexandre TMO 11'01" 250 DOPER
6. USA LEIPHEIMER Levi GST 11'21" 225 DOPER
7. DEN RASMUSSEN Michael RAB 11'33" 200 DOPER
8. AUS EVANS Cadel DVL 11'55" 175 CLEANS
9. USA LANDIS Floyd PHO 12'44" 150 DOPER
10. ESP PEREIRO SIO Oscar PHO 16'04" 125 Doper Evidence
11. FRA MOREAU Christophe C.A 16'26" 116 Take a guess
12. UKR POPOVYCH Yaroslav DSC 19'02" 107 LOL
13. ITA MAZZOLENI Eddy LAM 21'06" 99 DOPER
14. USA HINCAPIE George DSC 23'40" 91 DOPER
15. ESP ZUBELDIA AGIRRE Haimar EUS 23'43" 83 LOL
16. GER JAKSCHE J?rg LSW 24'07" 75 DOPER
17. USA JULICH Bobby CSC 24'08" 73 DOPER

18 Oscar Sevilla - Banned and Linked to Puerto
19 Andrey Kashechkin - Blood doping
20 Giuseppe Guerini - one of the guys who chased down Simeoni
and so it goes on

 

[sniper]

Evans in good company on UCI suspicion index.

4. Lance Armstrong, Janez Brajkovic, Bernhard Eisel, Cadel Evans, Pierrick F?drigo, Juan Manuel Garate, Andriy Grivko, Jesus Hernandez, Ignatas Konovalovas, Sebastian Lang, Levi Leipheimer, David Millar, Daniel Moreno, Serge Pauwels, Manuel Quinziato, Luke Roberts, Samuel Sanchez, Christian Vande Velde, Nicolas Vogondy

Ratings from two to four were based on stable passports which nevertheless showed a rare abnormality at a precise time.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ucis-suspicious-list-leaked-from-2010-tour-de-france

 

[Netserk]

What's the best a clean, hugely talented rider could do against a doping field?

How do you reconcile the assumption that Evans finishing 12 minutes behind Armstrong is a dopers performance, yet "Two random French guys" 8 minutes behind Nibali are clean?*




*I recognise the forum doesn't speak with one voice here.

If the most talented rider was clean, then a top-10, perhaps top-5 under the right circumstances would be possible, but I very much doubt the most talented riders are clean.

 

[ray j willings]

Perhaps the most underated rider and very unlucky as well not to win more.
There is no way he could ever admit to doping. It would be nice if we could get some honesty in sport and just accept that PED'S are part of sport and stop treating athletes like criminals unless they are criminals like Hamburglar or George Bush.

 

[The Hitch]

Evans in good company on UCI suspicion index.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ucis-suspicious-list-leaked-from-2010-tour-de-france

And that was the year he crashed and did nothing.

Imagine what it was like the year he finished just behind ultra doped Contador in a Tour where everyone was allowed to dope, or when he was beating Kohl, Ricco, Frank etc in the mountains or the 2011 Tour when he won or the 2009 worlds in an ultra doped field etc.

 

[Markyboyzx6r]

The article is so bad it defies belief. Let his legs do the talking? Gimme strength.

 

[Benotti69]

Guess what 'fan with a typewriter' is looking for David Walsh's gig?

 

[red_flanders]

But Saint Lemond thinks Evans was a victim and should have won three Tours. What do the Lemond supporters say about that ?

I say he's wrong. He's been wrong about who's doping several times. Can we put that to bed now?

St. Lemond. Great argument. So pointless...

 

[ralphbert]

...unless they are criminals like Hamburglar or George Bush.

I cannot abide the baseless slandering of The Hamburglar. He never puts his fingers where they don't belong unlike his pedo friend with the big hair and stupid shoes.

 

[blackcat]

Evans in good company on UCI suspicion index.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ucis-suspicious-list-leaked-from-2010-tour-de-france

Burt Lancaster is in the list at 0.

Is this the iteration from Deliverace (sic). love Ned Beatty, squeal like a pig, squeal like a pig.

appalachian mountain men can be nasty when they want to ream you

 

[sniper]

Burt Lancaster is in the list at 0.

Is this the iteration from Deliverace (sic). love Ned Beatty, squeal like a pig, squeal like a pig.

appalachian mountain men can be nasty when they want to ream you

yeah, australians don't dope, you didn't know?

i think those 0's and 1's on that list don't mean much, other than that these are guys who managed to not get flagged.
the higher up the list we go the more meaningful the list becomes.

 

[The Hitch]

yeah, australians don't dope, you didn't know?

i think those 0's and 1's on that list don't mean much, other than that these are guys who managed to not get flagged.
the higher up the list we go the more meaningful the list becomes.

I wonder if we get the dumb "if 0 doesn't matter then 10 doesn't matter either" response some posters have often made in the past without thinking the logic through.

 

[blackcat]

yeah, australians don't dope, you didn't know?

i think those 0's and 1's on that list don't mean much, other than that these are guys who managed to not get flagged.
the higher up the list we go the more meaningful the list becomes.

check cyclingnews page.

it was B U R T.

not his nickname, well, yeah, they wrote his nickname, but I think CN were referring to the actor, not Brett.

ofcourse, Australians dont dope. Sulzberger at 7 and Lloyd at 9, merely a MCE.

machine calibration error

 

[Bumeington]

yeah, australians don't dope, you didn't know?

i think those 0's and 1's on that list don't mean much, other than that these are guys who managed to not get flagged.
the higher up the list we go the more meaningful the list becomes.

Agreed but Fedrigo has a squeaky clean french reputation at 4

 

[movingtarget]

I say he's wrong. He's been wrong about who's doping several times. Can we put that to bed now?

St. Lemond. Great argument. So pointless...

What is pointless is Lemond making these sorts of statements as if because he says it well it has to be true.

The oddest thing about Evans is that he seems to get support that others don't get. Tyler Hamilton, Tom Boonen, Lemond, Wiggins and a few others plus some high profile journalists came out and said Evans is clean. Hincapie said the same but that does not count for much. I never heard or read the above people say the same or similar about other Tour winners or Giro winners. So what is the motivation for them ? They never said it about Hesjedal, Basso or Nibali, Froome or Contador and so on. When Harmon used to make off the cuff remarks about doping and defend Evans interestingly Sean Kelly never agreed or jumped to Evan's defence. Kelly's silence was often more telling than his commentary.

And then you have people like Kohl, Armstrong and Ricco saying it is impossible to win the Tour drug free.

 

[Archibald]

And then you have people like Kohl, Armstrong and Ricco saying it is impossible to win the Tour drug free.

they're just self serving comments for themselves - see: everybody's doing it defense

that in no way makes any difference on Evans, but shows the actuality of the above mentioned cheats' statements

 

[Nick777]

What's the best a clean, hugely talented rider could do against a doping field?

How do you reconcile the assumption that Evans finishing 12 minutes behind Armstrong is a dopers performance, yet "Two random French guys" 8 minutes behind Nibali are clean?*
*I recognise the forum doesn't speak with one voice here.

Evans gained 3.30 in a break late in the race, he would have finished 15+ minutes behind otherwise.

 

[blackcat]

and what was Phillipe Gilbert's quote on that stage? Did he not say "there is no way I can ever win". unsaid part was "no way clean that is."

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

What's the best a clean, hugely talented rider could do against a doping field?

How do you reconcile the assumption that Evans finishing 12 minutes behind Armstrong is a dopers performance, yet "Two random French guys" 8 minutes behind Nibali are clean?*




*I recognise the forum doesn't speak with one voice here.

By the fact that not only those in front if him, but also many names behind him were 99% or 100% certain doped up at the time

 

[TailWindHome]

By the fact that not only those in front if him, but also many names behind him were 99% or 100% certain doped up at the time

Does this not apply in 2014?

 

[sniper]

check cyclingnews page.

it was B U R T.

not his nickname, well, yeah, they wrote his nickname, but I think CN were referring to the actor, not Brett.

ofcourse, Australians dont dope. Sulzberger at 7 and Lloyd at 9, merely a MCE.

machine calibration error

hehe, true, i noticed.
On the original UCI document there are no first names, just initials, so this joke is on CN.

btw, I'm not really into black & white movies, are you?

 

[blackcat]

hehe, true, i noticed.
On the original UCI document there are no first names, just initials, so this joke is on CN.

btw, I'm not really into black & white movies, are you?

Burt Lancaster was all colour I think.

but I had a very no-homo pleasure in the appalachian mtn men raping ned beattie in Deliverace (sic) with Burt Lancaster

 

[TailWindHome]

Burt Lancaster was all colour I think.

but I had a very no-homo pleasure in the appalachian mtn men raping ned beattie in Deliverace (sic) with Burt Lancaster

You're thinking of Burt Reynolds?

 

[blackcat]

You're thinking of Burt Reynolds?

i am too. Reynolds of Deliverance. I dont have a touchstone for Burt Lancaster. Have to ask grandparents