Teams & Riders Filippo Ganna Discussion Thread

[BR2]

Maybe not retire, but more than ever, it‘s all about winning.

Decades ago I read in a cycling racing book about the mentality of the protagonists. They wrote something like (translated from German), „The best riders race by the motto, ‚Nothing is more successful then success is‘“… („Die besten Fahrer fahren nach der Devise, „Nichts ist erfolgreicher als der Erfolg“).

I found this to be quite an arrogant statement, back then. But as we say, the winner takes it all.

Of course, everyone expected more from Ganna today, including me. He got humiliated by Evenepoel, nothing less. Ganna was only 18 seconds faster than Tao G. Hart, so gained nearly a second per km on TGH. That was not enough to win this TT.

I don't agree that it's all about winning. Cycling has a broad base with almost 600 riders in the WT alone. In every GT there are almost 200 riders starting. There are more than 1000 professional riders who are getting paid to do this job. And someone like Ganna shall be irrelevant?

I also didn't expect much more from him today.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He can't win Roubaix. He lacks endurance. The race went perfect for him and he still was so much weaker than WVA and MVP. Can't see him win MSR either.

 

[BR2]

He can't win Roubaix. He lacks endurance. The race went perfect for him and he still was so much weaker than WVA and MVP. Can't see him win MSR either.

Okay, the logical conclusion if we are going that way is really for everybody not being Evenepoel, Pogacar or van der Poel to just stop cycling.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

He can't win Roubaix. He lacks endurance. The race went perfect for him and he still was so much weaker than WVA and MVP. Can't see him win MSR either.

I think Ganna lacks curve technique and willingness to take risks to win Roubaix.

Also lacks endurance, maybe, but this will improve, I think.

I think if even Cancellara won Roubaix three times, then Ganna should potentially be able to win it five times.

Comparing Cancellara and Ganna, Cancellara was so much weaker as an athlete than Ganna. Cancellara‘s main strengths were, similar to Jens Voigt‘s, rude behavior and mediocre skills. He nevertheless won three times in Roubaix and won nice time trials.

Yeah, and if Ganna wants to win monuments, he maybe should stop to ride excessively on the track…

 

[Bonimenier]

He can't win Roubaix. He lacks endurance. The race went perfect for him and he still was so much weaker than WVA and MVP. Can't see him win MSR either.

That's really ridiculous to say of someone who finished 2nd in MSR and 6th in PR this year. Of course it's uncertain if he'll ever win one of the two, but he's definitely capable at doing so.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think Ganna lacks curve technique and willingness to take risks to win Roubaix.

Also lacks endurance, maybe, but this will improve, I think.

I think if even Cancellara won Roubaix three times, then Ganna should potentially be able to win it five times.

Comparing Cancellara and Ganna, Cancellara was so much weaker as an athlete than Ganna. Cancellara‘s main strengths were, similar to Jens Voigt‘s, rude behavior and mediocre skills. He nevertheless won three times in Roubaix and won nice time trials.

Yeah, and if Ganna wants to win monuments, he maybe should stop to ride excessively on the track…

Cancellara weaker than Ganna? You should be banned for saying something worse than garbage.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Yes, and I would assume Ganna in top form wouldn't blow up like he did on that small hill.

Huh? Blow up? He was 15th on the actual climb (last section), only 7s slower than Evenepoel. How is that blowing up? He was faster than Vine on the climb, lol. And 10s ahead of Carthy and 12s ahead of Thomas.

TT | Time splits | ProCyclingStats

www.procyclingstats.com

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Plus when has Ganna ever been great in his first TT/race right after a block of altitude training?

I mean, him not winning against a flying Remco is one thing and really not a tragedy, but if you look at how small the gap to Almeida and McNulty is compared to the 11.5km Tirreno-Adriatico ITT I find it hard to believe that this is Ganna at his best.

Apparantly Ganna was so bad that he recorded his best ever 20 minute effort:

Tosatto revealed that his performance was still among the highest-calibre he had ever recorded.

“Filippo’s performance was one of his best-ever in terms of watts, and he did his best-ever 20-minute effort,” Tosatto said. “He delivered a big performance, it’s just that Remco did better.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Apparantly Ganna was so bad that he recorded his best ever 20 minute effort:

Tosatto revealed that his performance was still among the highest-calibre he had ever recorded.

“Filippo’s performance was one of his best-ever in terms of watts, and he did his best-ever 20-minute effort,” Tosatto said. “He delivered a big performance, it’s just that Remco did better.

Sounds like BS to me. If you think that Ganna at his best gains so little time over Tao and Almeida in this kind of TT then yeah...

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Sounds like BS to me. If you think that Ganna at his best gains so little time over Tao and Almeida in this kind of TT then yeah...

Why would he specifically mention his best ever 20 minutes if it is BS? Why then not just say it was very good, or on par with his other efforts? Both Hart and Almeida also did their best ever TT's. He took 29 seconds on Hart and 18s on Almeida on 16km of flat.

 

[Riek s]

Apparantly Ganna was so bad that he recorded his best ever 20 minute effort:

Tosatto revealed that his performance was still among the highest-calibre he had ever recorded.

“Filippo’s performance was one of his best-ever in terms of watts, and he did his best-ever 20-minute effort,” Tosatto said. “He delivered a big performance, it’s just that Remco did better.

This would fit in nicely:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654934448020881408

View: https://twitter.com/xavierdisley/status/1654934448020881408


Don't know how accurate it is, but it kind of shows Ganna didn't had a chance in this TT,. And if Ganna was indeed doing one of his best performances, it seems an unbridgable gap. Aero must have been an extremely important component in that TT.

 

[Wyndbrook]

Earned his corn yesterday pulling Thomas back to the front group after the late crash.

 

[Mayomaniac]

This would fit in nicely:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654934448020881408

View: https://twitter.com/xavierdisley/status/1654934448020881408


Don't know how accurate it is, but it kind of shows Ganna didn't had a chance in this TT,. And if Ganna was indeed doing one of his best performances, it seems an unbridgable gap. Aero must have been an extremely important component in that TT.

It has to be said that aerodynamics were never Ganna's biggest strength (his shoulders are just too wide) and you see him sliding back and forth on the saddle a lot. He does things with pure power. We're talking about someone who did over 460w for 34min in an ITT at the age of 20. If it comes to raw wattage he is the top dog.

 

[Red Rick]

Ganna got yeeted out of the back today, it honestly just doesn't look like he's on his best form.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Track success at Glasgow

 

[DNP-Old]

Track success at Glasgow

Everyone should watch the race for gold, just a pure genius at work. Almost as impressive as his world record from a year ago. Also thanks to Bigham, who went as far as he could and crushed his race from the morning by a fat second.

That being said, and I said it in the track forum too, Pippo hasn't exactly erased my doubts for Friday. Different effort than yesterday, but his performance in Wallonië wasn't exactly stellar either.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Ganna's gold medal win was something. Bigham is position is very aerodynamic. Bigham was 2.2 s up at 3.25 k mark and Ganna won.

 

[jmdirt]

Great ride today! He was edged out by a top beast.
I also can't help but wonder if he will have to skip the track if he wants to get on top of the TT box now?

 

[Mayomaniac]

Great ride today! He was edged out by a top beast.
I also can't help but wonder if he will have to skip the track if he wants to get on top of the TT box now?

Yeah, he'd probably have to skip track cycling, can't see that happening until after the Olympics...
Still, great ride today and it was close, nothing to be ashamed of. Still leaves the WC with 1 Gold and 2 Silver medals.

 

[KZD]

Even though I am a Remco fan, its good to see Ganna winning a TT in a big race once again. One of the great time trailists of the last decades.

 

[Jan the Man]

Extremely powerful performance today. Chapeau.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Strong performance today and congratulations for the win.

 

[Red Rick]

Really hope Ganna is just gonna go nuts in breakaways now, though there's not many good stages for him.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Considering the situation his team is in i wouldn't be surprised if Ganna now abandons the race. Personally i would like to see him race and try some more. We'll see.

 

[jmdirt]

Congrats FG!