Floyd to be charged with fraud

[Race Radio]

I'm hoping there is insufficient evidence of fraud, and that no charges will be launched against Floyd. This has to be stressful for Floyd, and I hope he realizes he has a lot of support for whatever that is worth. Although if charges are launched, the Floyd Haters will be mean and ugly. And I am not talking about those who used to mock Floyd for "sleeping on a couch with his cats". Most of those haters switched sides after the e-mails. I'm talking about the Lance fanboys who will be hating on Floyd. It would be nice if Lance offered support to Floyd and nipped those Floyd haters in the bud,

Anyway, I wonder if this investigation has anything to do with that "Champions Club" member who becamed miffed at Lance for Livestrong's rejection of a business deal a couple years ago. I can't recall the guys name, nicknamed "Tiger" or something like that....and the guy bankrolled some of Floyd's defense and also encouraged Floyd to do the whole "E-Mail" thing as a way to get back at Lance and the gang if I recall the story correctly.

Floyd is buddies with Tiger Woods? I wish I could get an invite to THAT party. Better then the Yellow Rose.

I am sure that Floyd will have the best public defenders our tax dollars can buy.

 

[Velodude]

Yes, I said that upthread though for probably different reasons than you. I am sure you think it is a witch hunt because LA was mean to FL.

LA sure is powerful. Those political connections that got him off turn around and snag the reformed hero for fraudulently soliciting funds lol. Those federal investigators were so pizzed the slam dunk LA case was dropped that they started feeding upon the little guy whose bombshells started this whole thing. Kinda like eating your young.

RR, can you shed some light on the inner workings of the LA political connections that have turned the force of the govt back upon the little guy that is just trying to do right? Have you conferred with Betsy yet to come up with a theory all of you can get behind? I am sure you guys are convinced this is the work of the evil LA machine. Your petty one-liners like the one I quoted do little to get the hate crowd all worked up....you need some new material.

There is a well known guy from Texas identified as Dr. Sheldon Cooper.

He cannot understand sarcasm, satire or irony.

Is that a common Texan trait?

 

[BotanyBay]

...but I'm not sure any information about Lance would be allowed, in court, out in the open.

Trust me, if it is deemed relevant to Landis' defense, it will be allowed.

 

[thehog]

Floyd needs to be taken down and silenced by the law. He tried to destroy cycling. He needs to be in jail so others learn a good lesson from doing similar in the future.

Once he's behind bars then Livestrong can take on the world free from the words of the haters.

I'm sure he's laughing at the moment as only Floyd can.... he's a very positive guy from all thats gone on in his life.

 

[BotanyBay]

Floyd is buddies with Tiger Woods? I wish I could get an invite to THAT party. Better then the Yellow Rose.

I am sure that Floyd will have the best public defenders our tax dollars can buy.

you betcha!

 

[mewmewmew13]

Of course they are blonde

 

[thehog]

Judging by Floyd's Twitter he doesn't give a ***....

 

[9000ft]

First Floyd was a dirty lying doper, then he was a joke, then he was pitiable in a strange sort of way, then he became Saint Floyd for his brave and 100% truthful stand against the dark one, now he's St Floyd the persecuted. Interesting progression.

Of course a certain number of posters here wasted no time in making the thread about Floyd into a thread about Lance Armstrong. LOL

 

[mewmewmew13]

First Floyd was a dirty lying doper, then he was a joke, then he was pitiable in a strange sort of way, then he became Saint Floyd for his brave and 100% truthful stand against the dark one, now he's St Floyd the persecuted. Interesting progression.

Of course a certain number of posters here wasted no time in making the thread about Floyd into a thread about Lance Armstrong. LOL

Where have you been the last two years? I believe the two have some common ground...in a certain sense. Oh, but excuse me , that is logical....

 

[thehog]

Where have you been the last two years? I believe the two have some common ground...in a certain sense. Oh, but excuse me , that is logical....

It completes the circle.

Both won the Tour de France by cheating.

Both wrote books stating they were clean when they weren't.

Both lied about their drug use.

and now

Both have been under Federal Investigation.

Blood Brothers.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Maybe Lance will open a car wash someday.

 

[Race Radio]

It's a serious crime when you lie to the Feds,.......Betsy - Greg - Frankie - Filippo - Steve all will be charged...going down one by one. 1 -2 -3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7. Seven in a row.

What did Betsy and Steve lie about?....and who is Steve?

 

[Race Radio]

Of course a certain number of posters here wasted no time in making the thread about Floyd into a thread about Lance Armstrong. LOL

Of course a certain number of posters here wasted no time pretending this has nothing to do with Lance LOL

 

[Race Radio]

It would never come in because the judge would immediately vaporize any prosecutor who wasted time in his courtroom talking about Lance. The prosecutor, who really wants to keep it simple for the jury, would never try it because it would really confuse the jury. Floyd's public defender isn't going to waste any time on a 'blame it on Lance' defense (because he/she won't have the sweet secret evidence).

Floyd, if charged, will plead guilty. He's already confessed his rear off and acceptance of responsibility is often a ploy that reduces or eliminates prison time. He's already expressed contrition publicly.

so if Lance pushed all his rich groupies to give money to Floyd, even thought they had shared drugs for years, it would mean nothing?

Sounds more like a co-defendent

 

[MarkvW]

so if Lance pushed all his rich groupies to give money to Floyd, even thought they had shared drugs for years, it would mean nothing?

Sounds more like a co-defendent

Wait and see. Your predictions here are about as good as your Lance predictions.

 

[Race Radio]

Wait and see. Your predictions here are about as good as your Lance predictions.

Been right so far. You must think this is over....it isn't over, not even close.

As Floyd says

There's nothing less important than the score at halftime....

 

[thehog]

Been right so far. You must think this is over....it isn't over, not even close.

As Floyd says

I hope after the trial the Feds pass on evidence of Floyd's doping to USADA so he can sanctioned and given a lifetime ban from cycling.

If not the UCI can appeal to CAS and get Landis's 1st place at the CatSkills ProAm removed because he raced in a t-shirt.

Cycling is about justice.

 

[MarkvW]

Been right so far. You must think this is over....it isn't over, not even close.

As Floyd says

Not even close. The truth is out there.

 

[andy1234]

Been right so far. You must think this is over....it isn't over, not even close.

As Floyd says

Well if Floyd says so........

 

[rhubroma]

Only in America would there have been people stupid enough to have actually financed Floyd's defense campaign in the first place, let alone have believed in his innocence. It is incredible how naive and uncritical those people were, and presumptuous; in addition to exhibiting a kind of vapid patriotism that not only had blinded them to the truth, but reality itself, which they arrogantly presumed to know better than those much more seasoned into the ways of this sport and so were so easily hoodwinked. I mean it's one thing to cynically say its impossible for our hero be a doper, entirely another to voluntarily open one's wallet and in good faith contribute to the legal expenses of his defense.

If I were the State, rather than penalize Floyd, I'd fine all those citizens who willingly contributed to his scam, on grounds of the sheer arrogance and presumptuousness that was required to support what normal people knew to have be patently false and ridiculous. Neither is a crime, of course, but the combination of both among voting adults shows us where the real scandal (and problem) lies.

As to Lance, what can be said? His supporters lapse even further into a rather perverse mental debility. Whereas the grotesque spectacle of a justice system that is based solely on economic capacity and a persona that perpetuates a certain national myth of the "miraculous” guy who raises himself from the throws of death to invincibility (that we have tirelessly seen in just about every recent Hollywood blockbuster), exclusively on the wholesomeness of his character and the maniacal awesomeness of his work ethic, in professional cycling defies further comment.

Evidently Top Gun Lance is much more convenient to perpetuating the myth, which everyone wants to see (or believes they see, or is supposed to see); by contrast bad boy Floyd, who by the way has a very un-American caustic irony to his character, represents the one who draws the curtains back while the performance is on stage, exposing the behind the scenes reality that no one is meant to see. Which one do you think in the end goes down? Floyd's problem for the establishment was that he was condemned and confessed his crimes, but not Lance. Hence it is better to insolently commit crimes and protect the omertà, then it is to come clean and try to break it.

 

[TexPat]

Only in America would there have been people stupid enough to have actually financed Floyd's defense campaign in the first place, let alone have believed in his innocence. It is incredible how naive and uncritical those people were, and presumptuous; in addition to exhibiting a kind of vapid patriotism that not only had blinded them to the truth, but reality itself, which they arrogantly presumed to know better than those much more seasoned into the ways of this sport and so were so easily hoodwinked.

If I were the State, rather than penalize Floyd, I'd fine all those who willingly contributed to his scam, on grounds of the sheer arrogance and presumptuousness that was required to support what normal people knew to have be patently false and ridiculous.

As to Lance, the grotesque spectacle of a justice system that is based solely on economic capacity and persona in terms of perpetuating a certain national myth of the "miraculous” guy who raises himself from the throws of death to invincibility (that we have tirelessly seen in just about every recent Hollywood blockbuster) , exclusively on the wholesomeness of his character and the maniacal awesomeness of his work ethic, in professional cycling defies further comment.

In the words of the great Tommy Boy, "That was awesome".

 

[AussieGoddess]

Yup...and it also happens to be be were Fabiani lives. After spending the last 10 years working towards a new Chargers stadium he is well connected

I am sure it seemed like a good idea at the time but now I fail to see how going after Floyd is anything but negative for Wonderboy

I actually dont see how its negative for Lance ...

He is pretty big on personal revenge - and this is a good way of kicking him and making sure he stays down.

It wont go to trial - and even if it did, LA has already dodged his charges so no real negatives.

I actually agree with the action in some respects. We are all pretty quick to jump on the ship "lance raises funds for cancer awareness under false pretenses" ... but when Floyd did it, its ok?

Raising money from the public using a complete lie is fraud ... and Floyd has already admitted that by promising to pay it back

 

[sniper]

I actually dont see how its negative for Lance ...

He is pretty big on personal revenge - and this is a good way of kicking him and making sure he stays down.

It wont go to trial - and even if it did, LA has already dodged his charges so no real negatives.

I actually agree with the action in some respects. We are all pretty quick to jump on the ship "lance raises funds for cancer awareness under false pretenses" ... but when Floyd did it, its ok?

Raising money from the public using a complete lie is fraud ... and Floyd has already admitted that by promising to pay it back

Don't forget though that, in all fairness, Floyd had good reasons to feel treated unfairly.
1. He knew of the UCI's bribability and unfair inclination towards Lance/Bruyneel.
2. He had been unfairly ****ed by the UCI previously over the salary issue.
3. (if we may believe FLoyd) he never (knowingly) took the PED he got busted for. sounds unfair to me.

provided 1-3 happened, then a Floyd Fairness Fund at all times made more sense than, say, an LA Fairness Fund, or an Aldirto Fairness Fund would have.
The issue wasn't black and white, good or bad, fraud or no fraud, fair or unfair.
Although the FFF was a joke, Floyd is clearly a good and fair guy, not a defrauder of the caliber of Lance, Bruyneel or Aldirto. (And that's not an opinion, that's an observation.) Which is probably why the UCI ditched him in the first place. Not a good businesspartner.

 

[rhubroma]

I actually dont see how its negative for Lance ...

He is pretty big on personal revenge - and this is a good way of kicking him and making sure he stays down.

It wont go to trial - and even if it did, LA has already dodged his charges so no real negatives.

I actually agree with the action in some respects. We are all pretty quick to jump on the ship "lance raises funds for cancer awareness under false pretenses" ... but when Floyd did it, its ok?

Raising money from the public using a complete lie is fraud ... and Floyd has already admitted that by promising to pay it back

On the other hand, Lance's scam, for a scam is what we are dealing with, and on a far greater scale, has not only illicitly earned him millions, which he brazenly calls fund raising, but also elevated him to a kind of iconic status among those whom he insolently regards as the faithful. Yet those folks need no protection from him by the State about the same stupidity and presumptuousness for which Floyd's supporters now deserve remuneration. No doubt much of the income Lance has been able to fraudulently drawn from his "non-profit" foundation, so-called, has paid for his legal expenses, in the same way that those funds deceitfully raised by Landis are now the charges for which he is being brought back into court.

Brilliant!

 

[ChrisE]

On the other hand, Lance's scam, for a scam is what we are dealing with, and on a far greater scale, has not only earned him millions, which he brazenly calls fund raising, but also elevated him to a kind of iconic status among those whom he insolently regards as the faithful. Yet those folks need no protection from him by the State about the same stupidity and presumptuousness for which Floyd's supporters now deserve remuneration.

Brilliant!

The American system is not the problem. It has been perverted by the population that takes pride in their stupidity. From the justice system ie their IMO ultimate unwillingness to find LA guilty if it had gone to trial (the reason I think it was canned), OJ, etc. to support of politicians and political parties that exhibit nothing but demagoguery about ideals that don't exist and are against their collective best interest. Things like FFF don't surprise me. Useful idiots across the board in this country, and FFF is just an example of the mindset of the sheep that will allow this country to ultimately fail.

Don't forget though that, in all objectivity, Floyd had good reasons to feel treated unfairly.
1. He knew of the UCI's bribability and inclination towards Lance/Bruyneel.
2. He had been ****ed over by the UCI previously over the salary issue.
3. (if we may believe FLoyd) he never (knowingly) took the PED he got busted for

LOL. Let's just replace all 3 of those reasons with the main one....RS didn't give him a job in 2008. As I said when this whole ordeal started, that was the biggest mistake LA ever made. He should have kept a rogue like FL on his payroll forever.

The only people that would believe #3 are the type of rubes that would contribute to something like FFF.