Floyd to be charged with fraud

[Digger]

I'm making fun of YOU.

No you're not - you're using a dead person to make a joke. Well done you. You win on the internet again.

 

[MarkvW]

I know for a fact it's true. Next.

Also the post above is very different in tone to what you previously stated. You hide behind the lines 'other people' in this post. When previously it was clear that you were more definite and sure of yourself.

Listen, call him a liar, a cheat whatever - I can't control you. But bringing that stuff into the debate, lke Botany, is disgusting, in bad taste, and reflects worse on yee than anyone else.

So, Floyd's introduction of his family into his big doping lie must also have been disgusting and in bad taste! Nice to see you gravitating toward a more balanced view of Floyd!

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Things you got wrong about Landis. If you are getting this stuff wrong, why do you feel qualified to talk about the really private stuff?





Answer: You aren't.

The bus again?

Sure Floyd added a few (entire Postal team) under the bus but that was (in my opinion) only to provide context and cover for his real anger. Anger that was directed at Lance Armstrong and team Pork Skins (aka the Shack). Not that I distrust that admission, He did ride for an entirely different team who had a few dopers and facilitators on it didn’t he?

 

[Digger]

The bus again?

Sure Floyd added a few (entire Postal team) under the bus but that was (in my opinion) only to provide context and cover for his real anger. Anger that was directed at Lance Armstrong and team Pork Skins (aka the Shack). Not that I distrust that admission, He did ride for an entirely different team who had a few dopers and facilitators on it didn’t he?

If you think the USP team were the only ones thrown under the bus, let's stop this now.

 

[Digger]

So, Floyd's introduction of his family into his big doping lie must also have been disgusting and in bad taste! Nice to see you gravitating toward a more balanced view of Floyd!

What are you still doing here?

The Lance Armstrong investigation brought me to this forum and now it is over.

My time here has enabled me to learn a lot about a very small subculture of people who gather to spend a lot of their time and energy discussing all the negative aspects of Lance Armstrong. I've spent a lot of time (way too much) with you all. Thank you all very much for sharing with me.

I'm going to try to put Lance Armstrong way in the back of some mental closet, forever I hope. Any publicity is good for him, and I don't think I want to contribute any more.

For those of you that remain, I sincerely hope that something useful comes out of your time spent participating here.

Goodbye!
Mark

 

[BotanyBay]

Things you got wrong about Landis. .

Me:

He was dirty dirty dirty, except for the one month that he decided to "do it clean" and he had the misfortune of winning the TDF?

I'll admit that I "compressed" a lot in that statement. I certainly should (in retrospect) have adequately contrasted my understanding of his "testosterone innocence" from his "blood-doping guilt". Hopefully, you'll take me at my word on that.

But you have to understand, I was operating under the assumption that I was not under the microscope at that point. I wonder, if I went back and analyzed dozens of YOUR past posts... would I find similar conflicts of understanding?

This isn't Talmud.

 

[BotanyBay]

What are you still doing here?

I asked that myself once, but fact is, he's here. At this point, I think that has been well-covered. At least he didn't change his screen name.

So, if you have something relevant to the FLOYD discussion, please, offer it.

 

[BotanyBay]

If you think the USP team were the only ones thrown under the bus, let's stop this now.

Tread lightly, Glenn. Any answer other than precise, verbatim memory of Kimmage's interview could end up with 5 pages of them calling you a liar.

 

[caryopsis]

If you think the USP team were the only ones thrown under the bus, let's stop this now.

no comment on the Blue Train, but a big +1 for stopping this now! who's with me? anybody? anybody?

 

[MarkvW]

Botany is the real judge of when people should be forgiven on here. Even when the people in question have moved on!!

Now--after all your personal attacks and made-up facts--are you getting to your own personal Agenda! It is not about whether Floyd is rich or poor, a "current liar" or only a "past liar," or whether posters not suffused with Floyd-Love are "vile."

What it is about is your own personal concept of forgiveness.

Golly! You should have said that from the beginning!

I forgive Floyd! Amen, Amen, and Glory Hallelujah!

And once he commits to a sincere effort to pay back his victims and his legal issues are resolved, Floyd is square with me (even though he is a jerk)!

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Tread lightly, Glenn. Any answer other than precise, verbatim memory of Kimmage's interview could end up with 5 pages of them calling you a liar.

Thanks BB I realize that I am about to be pounced on. I am at this very moment trying to find my .pdf copy of the kimmage interview so I can dial up some quotes. Unfortunately I’m not at home and unless I put a copy on my external HD here at work I am a$$ out. Also by the time I make it home I will not be in any mood or condition to try and post on this message board.

Someone needs to call up the “boo ya T.R.I.B.E. and P.O.D. on the grind” for this place.

 

[Digger]

Now--after all your personal attacks and made-up facts--are you getting to your own personal Agenda! It is not about whether Floyd is rich or poor, a "current liar" or only a "past liar," or whether posters not suffused with Floyd-Love are "vile."

What it is about is your own personal concept of forgiveness.

Golly! You should have said that from the beginning!

I forgive Floyd! Amen, Amen, and Glory Hallelujah!

And once he commits to a sincere effort to pay back his victims and his legal issues are resolved, Floyd is square with me (even though he is a jerk)!

I still laugh out loud at you commenting on other's personal attacks and made up facts...the king of assumptions man, who passes it off as fact. And who condones the most personal of attacks on another's character. Now that's irony.

The Lance Armstrong investigation brought me to this forum and now it is over.

My time here has enabled me to learn a lot about a very small subculture of people who gather to spend a lot of their time and energy discussing all the negative aspects of Lance Armstrong. I've spent a lot of time (way too much) with you all. Thank you all very much for sharing with me.

I'm going to try to put Lance Armstrong way in the back of some mental closet, forever I hope. Any publicity is good for him, and I don't think I want to contribute any more.

For those of you that remain, I sincerely hope that something useful comes out of your time spent participating here.

Goodbye!
Mark

Another irony is that you comment on people's obession with Lance...yet three quarters of all your posts since you said you would leave, have been on Floyd.

 

[ChrisE]

And you are the one who has made a sick asusmption that Floyd's doping is the soul fault of this. How do you know that? How do you feel qualified to make that assumption?

Why are you taking this so personally? Its like somebody in your immediate family has been attacked by BB. He is just making observations and has an opinion. Why can't you just let that be?

 

[MarkvW]

I still laugh out loud at you commenting on other's personal attacks and made up facts...the king of assumptions man, who passes it off as fact. And who condones the most personal of attacks on another's character. Now that's irony.

Another irony is that you comment on people's obession with Lance...yet three quarters of all your posts since you said you would leave, have been on Floyd.

I think it is a fair assumption that Floyd is poor, that the Feds have a strong suspicion that Floyd has committed at least one felony, and that Floyd, if indicted, is not likely to go to trial. I assume that he is a liar because he has lied about serious things on multiple (past) occasions and admitted it. I know he is a cheat, because he is an admitted long-term doping cheat--who ADMITTEDLY does not regret the cheating itself. And Floyd is one of the key people who helped Lance Armstrong achieve his destructive influence on the sport.

Those assumptions are not very controversial.

You use the personal attacks because your available arguments are not very good. The man who goes "full ***" does not make for an easy person to defend. But I forgive you for the personal attacks. Forgiveness is wonderful.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I think it is a fair assumption that Floyd is poor, that the Feds have a strong suspicion that Floyd has committed at least one felony, and that Floyd, if indicted, is not likely to go to trial. I assume that he is a liar because he has lied about serious things on multiple (past) occasions and admitted it. I know he is a cheat, because he is an admitted long-term doping cheat--who ADMITTEDLY does not regret the cheating itself. And Floyd is one of the key people who helped Lance Armstrong achieve his destructive influence on the sport.

Those assumptions are not very controversial.

You use the personal attacks because your available arguments are not very good. The man who goes "full ***" does not make for an easy person to defend. But I forgive you for the personal attacks. Forgiveness is wonderful.

Indeed they are not particularly controversial - however if we change things just a little....

I think it is a fair assumption that Lance is very rich, that the Feds have a strong suspicion that Lance has committed at least one felony, and that Lance, if indicted, is not likely to go to trial because he will pay political lawyers huge sums. I assume that he is a liar because he has lied about serious things on multiple (past) occasions and as he as never admitted it he is a big liar today. I know he is a cheat, because he is long-term doping cheat--who OBVIOUSLY does not regret the cheating itself. And Lance is the key person who was a destructive influence on the sport.

Yet you defend the Lance.

 

[MarkvW]

Indeed they are not particularly controversial - however if we change things just a little....

I think it is a fair assumption that Lance is very rich, that the Feds have a strong suspicion that Lance has committed at least one felony, and that Lance, if indicted, is not likely to go to trial because he will pay political lawyers huge sums. I assume that he is a liar because he has lied about serious things on multiple (past) occasions and as he as never admitted it he is a big liar today. I know he is a cheat, because he is long-term doping cheat--who OBVIOUSLY does not regret the cheating itself. And Lance is the key person who was a destructive influence on the sport.

Yet you defend the Lance.

I'd agree with everything except your last sentence and the "political lawyers" clause.

 

[BotanyBay]

Being that Omerta has resulted in such a void of information (even among the busted), I officially declare...

New rule:
If a current or former rider says he repents, regrets, rethinks or regurgitates his (or her) doping past, we are to take that rider at his or her word. We must take what we can get and not look a gifthorse in the mouth. If Kimmage is involved, then this word shall be considered to be etched on golden plates.

Anyone who does otherwise WILL be publicly flogged. Enforcers: Maserati, Digger, TheHog

Please respect the current dogma:

Armstrong:
Bad

Landis:
Good

Birotte:
Corrupt

Fabiani:
Damn good at what he does

Papp:
Legally entitled to be considered good, but still bad (just don't ask any questions!)

Decanio:
Nuts, but good. A bit reckless with his spending habits, but can usually be spotted with a hot girlfriend.

JV:
Good, but also stylish and with a witty vocabulary

 

[BotanyBay]

I still laugh out loud at you commenting on other's personal attacks and made up facts...the king of assumptions man, who passes it off as fact. And who condones the most personal of attacks on another's character. Now that's irony.

Another irony is that you comment on people's obession with Lance...yet three quarters of all your posts since you said you would leave, have been on Floyd.

You're clearly obsessed with MarkvW's "swan song" and eventual return to the forum. Why? It has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. So can you please get back to the original topic?

You're also clearly a stalker of sorts. You become intimately familiar with certain people's posts. Why? I know that I've read many of your past posts, but generally restrict my memory of what you say to perhaps a couple of days worth (at best). IE, I'm not obsessed with you or what you write.

But you, on the other hand. Creepy.

 

[BotanyBay]

Indeed they are not particularly controversial - however if we change things just a little....

I think it is a fair assumption that Lance is very rich, that the Feds have a strong suspicion that Lance has committed at least one felony, and that Lance, if indicted, is not likely to go to trial because he will pay political lawyers huge sums. I assume that he is a liar because he has lied about serious things on multiple (past) occasions and as he as never admitted it he is a big liar today. I know he is a cheat, because he is long-term doping cheat--who OBVIOUSLY does not regret the cheating itself. And Lance is the key person who was a destructive influence on the sport.

Yet you defend the Lance.

You're so amazingling linear and binary. And while I do not hedge on your past words, I do remember you as one of the people who attacked several people (including me) for having the mere capacity to consider that Birotte might have ended the Armstrong investigation for reasons other than due to corruption or influence peddling. Ergo, anyone who takes a position in an argument that is in ANY way useful to Lance Armstrong, means they must be enemies of the cause.

Folks, beware of characters like the good Dr.

 

[thehog]

Being that Omerta has resulted in such a void of information (even among the busted), I officially declare...

New rule:
If a current or former rider says he repents, regrets, rethinks or regurgitates his (or her) doping past, we are to take that rider at his or her word. We must take what we can get and not look a gifthorse in the mouth. If Kimmage is involved, then this word shall be considered to be etched on golden plates.

Anyone who does otherwise WILL be publicly flogged.

Please respect the current dogma:

Armstrong:
Bad

Landis:
Good

Birotte:
Corrupt

Fabiani:
Damn good at what he does

Papp:
Legally entitled to be considered good, but still bad (don't ask questions)

Decanio:
Nuts, but good. A bit reckless with his spending habits, but can usually be spotted with a hot girlfriend.

JV:
Good, but also stylish and with a witty vocabulary

One amendment:

BotanyBay:
Vile beyond comprehension. Eludes to suicide & divorce as a form of humor. Carries abandonment issues from earlier in life. Has trouble recognizing empathy in others and himself. Uses anger & offensive remarks as a form of cover and defense. Lacks understanding on socially acceptable behavior.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You're so amazingling linear and binary. And while I do not hedge on your past words, I do remember you as one of the people who attacked several people (including me) for having the mere capacity to consider that Birotte might have ended the Armstrong investigation for reasons other than due to corruption or influence peddling. Ergo, anyone who takes a position in an argument that is in ANY way useful to Lance Armstrong, means they must be enemies of the cause.

Folks, beware of characters like the good Dr.

I would ask you to back that up - but you seem to go deaf to things like that.
You can add it to where I enjoyed your mocking of Armstrongs daughter (or whatever you took glee in doing).

BTW - I like your rules, but you could you add in that people actually read any article, you seem to have omitted that.

 

[MarkvW]

One amendment:

BotanyBay:
Vile beyond comprehension. Eludes to suicide & divorce as a form of humor. Carries abandonment issues from earlier in life. Has trouble recognizing empathy in others and himself. Uses anger & offensive remarks as a form of cover and defense. Lacks understanding on socially acceptable behavior.

Demonizing Botany Bay is not going to further your agenda of bringing Floyd-Love to the world. Remember: You are on the side of Love and Forgiveness!

 

[thehog]

You're so amazingling linear and binary.
Folks, beware of characters like the good Dr.

Question:

Is it actually possible to be linear and binary at the same time?

You do know what these words mean don't you?

Could you perhaps describe what it is to be amazingling linear and binary? I'd actually like to know.

Seeinging as you worked in advertising (well don't work in advertising) you'd have some copywriting skills and understand word meanings.

 

[MarkvW]

Question:

Is it actually possible to be linear and binary at the same time?

You do know what these words mean don't you?

Could you perhaps describe what it is to be amazingling linear and binary? I'd actually like to know.

Seeinging as you worked in advertising (well don't work in advertising) you'd have some copywriting skills and understand word meanings.

Imagine a single stream of ones and zeroes coming at you. That's both linear and binary.

But please gawd don't ask me to explain abstract reasoning to you.

And, yes, your post is funny. Took my slow mind awhile to get it. Don't expect self-deprecating humor here.

 

[Havetts]

So when's the last time this has actually been on topic and not your own egos and e-points?