For the "pedaling technique doesn't matter crowd"

[oldborn]

Best April Fools Day post EVER!!!

Thanks for remind me Dude

Seriously pot kettle black???

Seriously Oxford English only, i do not speak local native dialect at all So i do not understand a word.

Coming from a guy who pretended to be a personal friend of the terminally ill Aldo Sassi.

That really hurt a lot. Is not Fergie?
And i was asking arround about you when quake strike Christchurch, and you paying me back like this. Fergie, Fergie. I see you are ok and back in shape

 

[CoachFergie]

Yes you were a cowardly idiot back then. I see nothing has changed.

At least you have learned that Christchurch is not part of Tasmania. Slow progress.

 

[Tapeworm]

Can we just ban Frank now? It'll save time.

I enjoy a health debate on training any day of the week but I've seen far too many if these "discussions" with Frank go the same way.

 

[CoachFergie]

It's classic how there have been a few more studies on independent cranks showing no improvement in performance and we hear nothing from Frank and then a preliminary study suggesting an alternative approach to studying pedalling dynamics that even the authors or back pedalling on in later research.

Frank is not a scientist and hasn't been a physician for years. He is just a marketer of a product that he has made many unsubstantiated claims about (40% improvement in performance is the biggest sham) and should be treated as the Snake Oil Salesman he is.

 

[oldborn]

Yes you were a cowardly idiot back then. I see nothing has changed.

Oh i see, thanks you are so kind and eloquent mediocracy coach

At least you have learned that Christchurch is not part of Tasmania. Slow progress.

Thanks Fergie! It means a lot to me.

 

[CoachFergie]

Oh i see, thanks you are so kind and eloquent mediocracy coach

Sign of a cowardly fool to criticise someone for something they have no understanding of. Have you coached or know anything about the coaching I do?

 

[oldborn]

It's classic how there have been a few more studies on independent cranks showing no improvement in performance and we hear nothing from Frank and then a preliminary study suggesting an alternative approach to studying pedalling dynamics that even the authors or back pedalling on in later research.

Frank is not a scientist and hasn't been a physician for years. He is just a marketer of a product that he has made many unsubstantiated claims about (40% improvement in performance is the biggest sham) and should be treated as the Snake Oil Salesman he is.

Says Mr. Power and well known authority on that field. Please send me a book of yours. Put a lot of pictures and graphs in it, you know that i am not good in English

 

[oldborn]

Sign of a cowardly fool to criticise someone for something they have no understanding of

Dude i can criticise everything i want, you do not own the knowledge, as soon you realize that, better for you

Have you coached or know anything about the coaching I do?

I am not a Catholic Bishop either, and i know they are abusing children

It is not a rocket science Dude, grow up

 

[CoachFergie]

Dude i can criticise everything i want, you do not own the knowledge, as soon you realize that, better for you

Only a cowardly fool would criticise something he didn't understand.

Like Frank, have to do better than sifting through the Net finding shreds of evidence for your claims.

 

[oldborn]

I would call on my civil wrights i leave this "Academic" insults essay to his founder Mr. PowerCoach and Ajatolah of Coaching.

Stay well Fergie!

What a absolute raffish snob you are.

 

[CoachFergie]

I would call on my civil wrights i leave this "Academic" insults essay to his founder Mr. PowerCoach and Ajatolah of Coaching.

Stay well Fergie!

What a absolute raffish snob you are.

Oh boo hoo, someone whose only qualification to criticise is ownership of a modem is upset with me.

Ha ha cowardly foolish loser!

 

[FrankDay]

Simply unloading and actively pull up are two things. Agree on simply unloading

That is what most of these folks who are so adamant against this product don't understand. All it forces the rider to do is simple, but complete, unloading, nothing more. For most people this is nothing more than 10% more than they do now during "recovery". Sometimes you get the feeling they think the PC's make you pedal like a martian.

 

[CoachFergie]

Ahhh so all the self reports of agonising first rides and psoa's destroyed from riding a Gimmickcrank were all wrong.

Give it up Frank, the people here bar oldborn are just as smart as Slowtwitch and the other forums you have been kicked off!

 

[FrankDay]

Ahhh so all the self reports of agonising first rides and psoa's destroyed from riding a Gimmickcrank were all wrong.

Give it up Frank, the people here bar oldborn are just as smart as Slowtwitch and the other forums you have been kicked off!

Huh? I suspect some are maybe 20% deficient. I suspect that anyone who is asked to do 10-20% more than they are used to doing, whatever that is, wouldn't last long. So, your FTP is 300 watts? How long can you sustain 330? Or, 360? "Failures" occur early on because the cranks require people to do more with certain muscles than they have trained themselves to do.

 

[CoachFergie]

The Frank Day side step.

In one sentence you say that riding a Gimmickcrank is easy but this doesn't jive with many user reports that it is very hard to do.

Of course it is hard, it isn't the natural way we ride a bike and according to all the studies done using a independent cranking system it isn't a better way to ride a bike.

This is also seen in the real world where Gimmickcrank users and even claimed Gimmickcrank users (the ones who may have tried then once and are branded as user's for life, never ever seen Hayden Godfrey or Hayden Roulston use them and I see them quite often) where if your 40% gain in performance were true they would be miles ahead of the competition.

It is easier to look at these riders and Armstrong and say that they was no special gimmick, training method or technique that led to their success just years and years of hard training and racing.

 

[FrankDay]

The Frank Day side step.

In one sentence you say that riding a Gimmickcrank is easy but this doesn't jive with many user reports that it is very hard to do.

Of course it is hard, it isn't the natural way we ride a bike and according to all the studies done using a independent cranking system it isn't a better way to ride a bike.

This is also seen in the real world where Gimmickcrank users and even claimed Gimmickcrank users (the ones who may have tried then once and are branded as user's for life, never ever seen Hayden Godfrey or Hayden Roulston use them and I see them quite often) where if your 40% gain in performance were true they would be miles ahead of the competition.

It is easier to look at these riders and Armstrong and say that they was no special gimmick, training method or technique that led to their success just years and years of hard training and racing.

What on earth are you talking about? Is it possible for you to ever stay on topic and not go on and on with useless ad hominem attacks in your replies. The internet would be a better place. But, alas, it isn't going to happen. (sigh)

 

[CoachFergie]

What on earth are you talking about? Is it possible for you to ever stay on topic and not go on and on with useless ad hominem attacks in your replies. The internet would be a better place. But, alas, it isn't going to happen. (sigh)

Do you honestly expect people to take you seriously Frank?

I suggest people go back through the forums on Slowtwitch and CyclingForums and see the nonsense Frank has written trying to market his useless cranks.

You are getting the respect you deserve Frank. You do nothing for cycling, triathlon or any sport for that matter. Gimmickcranks improve golf

Seek help Frank!

 

[oldborn]

That is what most of these folks who are so adamant against this product don't understand. All it forces the rider to do is simple, but complete, unloading, nothing more. For most people this is nothing more than 10% more than they do now during "recovery". Sometimes you get the feeling they think the PC's make you pedal like a martian.

Thanks for clarifying things. I do not agree with you and still thinking PC would not help much, but this is just me.

Anyway nice to have civilize and polite discussion like real Gentlemens.

As for Fergie, he did not take his medicine this morning
Read Freud ( BTW it is not cycling book) Fergie, you would find answers for your mental state

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

The purpose of the thread is to discuss whether pedaling technique makes a difference to performance as there are many "loud" voices out there that say it doesn't. I want to discuss the implications of this paper in this thread and nothing else.

Here's some N=1 longitudinal data. It represents my personal best 5-minute mean maximal power to weight ratio for each year from 2006 to 2011.

In early 2007 I had two legs. In May 2007 I had a trans tibial amputation.

Since then I've pedaled with a prosthetic and can do nothing other than push down. My pedaling technique with a prosthetic means pull up, pull over, scrape mud etc is simply impossible.

So how come my W/kg is better with 1.5 legs?
Maybe pushing down is more efficient?

Note that in terms of race performance comparisons (masters racing):

In 2007, I (and my team) set a State record in wining the team pursuit championships and I was on podium at national points race and 4th place at States.

In 2011, I (and my team) set a State record in winning the team pursuit championships and I bombed the points race at nationals (going for a lap mind you with two world champs in the field) and was 4th at States (with two world champs in the field).

Seems to me that something as drastic to one's pedaling "technique" as removing an entire lower leg hasn't actually had much impact on ability to generate useful power.

 

[CoachFergie]

Read Freud ( BTW it is not cycling book) Fergie, you would find answers for your mental state

What would Freud say about someone so desperate for attention that they claimed to be a close personal friend of a well know coach especially when that person was terminally ill with Cancer.

You should take a good hard look at yourself!

 

[CoachFergie]

Seems to me that something as drastic to one's pedaling "technique" as removing an entire lower leg hasn't actually had much impact on ability to generate useful power.

Good stuff Alex.

Frank you haven't answered whether you have read both entire studies are are just going off an abstract. The 2011 paper comes to a different conclusion to the 2010 paper.

 

[CoachFergie]

So how messed up is this guy?

Profesor Aldo Sassi, his cell phone +39 141 5256 852, say his nextdoor pal want you to make lasagne for Coach Fergie, i am sure that you guys have something to share

Then...

Hey Fergie, I was with Aldo (great lasagne) and he told me that Basso prior his Giro wins was doing 2 hours gym works (not just legs) and after 150km ride on two mountains, Basso is not a fast twich fibres man.

Well Aldo has a unique way to train.

And this...

Hey Fergie, do you realy thought that i knew Aldo, sorry but that was a allegory.

Stay well!

Crikey, I need something to cheer me up. Might have to go to Slowtwitch and watch Frank do his patented side step a few 1000 times before he was asked to leave

 

[oldborn]

What next do you have to post? Fan club of mine

It is sad thing knowing the fact that you actually coach kids Fergie

Your National Cycling Board are really proud of their coach prostitute himself on web for a few bucks desperate to gain more clients.

Respect Fergie to your profession and by yourself are first steps you should take.

Stay well!

P.S. Choleric maybe?

 

[CoachFergie]

It is sad thing knowing the fact that you actually coach kids Fergie

Real ones, not imaginary. Those voices in your head, are they Aldo's

Your National Cycling Board are really proud of their coach prostitute himself on web for a few bucks desperate to gain more clients.

I am full at the moment, have been for quite some time.

At least I am a real coach and not some nut whose qualification is a modem.

 

[oldborn]

Real ones, not imaginary. Those voices in your head, are they Aldo's.

Good start Fergie, relax and tell us more about your problems

I am full at the moment, have been for quite some time. At least I am a real coach and not some nut whose qualification is a modem.

I am sure that you doing well mumbling about Boardman peak power, as something which is pure science. Tell us more about how you prostitute yourself on other forums, preaching about power and strenght.
I am sure that we can learn something

Fanatics all kind are very interested to examine, they are all pure mediocracy Dude