Four-year Ferrari investigation handed over to CONI

[Benotti69]

I have had several angry PMs from folks who are ****ed because I don't think Sky have a team program.

I agree with you. Their lack of results point more toward Froome not sharing whatever rocket fuel he is doing

Sky did have a program, that much was obvious, hiring Leinders, de Jongh , Yates, Julich, etc all point to a program, but only for the selected GT team.

Interesting to note that Vino only want 12 riders on the program. Wonder how the guys who were left out feel?

12 riders for a Ferrari program, rest of team on Astana team docs program.

If Bertie and Froome did crash out of TdF would Astana have won TdF?

Ferrari not as good as he was.

 

[sniper]

Sky did have a program, that much was obvious, hiring Leinders, de Jongh , Yates, Julich, etc all point to a program, but only for the selected GT team.

This indeed. Nobody's claimed Sky are on an Astana-style program, but a program it is/was nonetheless.
(And I think an important element of the program, in addition to those hirings, consisted in getting the UCI on board.)

 

[Race Radio]

Sky did have a program, that much was obvious, hiring Leinders, de Jongh , Yates, Julich, etc all point to a program, but only for the selected GT team.




12 riders for a Ferrari program, rest of team on Astana team docs program.

If Bertie and Froome did crash out of TdF would Astana have won TdF?

Ferrari not as good as he was.

Valid points. Sky was crushing teams in 2011/12. Since those guys left most results come from 1 or 2 guys

I too wonder if Ferrari lost his touch or not. Much of the evidence so far is talking about stuff that is several years old. Outside of Nibali and Aru Astana has not done much the last couple years.

 

[thehog]

The missing connection is the UCI support. That Sky had (has) and by all accounts Ferrari no longer has.

 

[pigoonse]

This indeed. Nobody's claimed Sky are on an Astana-style program, but a program it is/was nonetheless.
(And I think an important element of the program, in addition to those hirings, consisted in getting the UCI on board.)

Must cost a lot of money to "never test positive"

 

[Netserk]

I have had several angry PMs from folks who are ****ed because I don't think Sky have a team program.

I agree with you. Their lack of results point more toward Froome not sharing whatever rocket fuel he is doing

Interesting to note that Vino only want 12 riders on the program. Wonder how the guys who were left out feel?

Did Rabo have a program? Yes.

Was every single rider on the team on it? No.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Must cost a lot of money to "never test positive"

Hiring son of BC head honcho, now UCI president is a nice start.

 

[the sceptic]

The missing connection is the UCI support. That Sky had (has) and by all accounts Ferrari no longer has.

It seems like Ferrari isn't working with the top guys in the sport anymore. A whole lot of obscure names on that list.

 

[classicomano]

I'd let Michele chop off my **** for a tell all book written by him.

 

[Benotti69]

I'd let Michele chop off my **** for a tell all book written by him.

Wont happen till Michele hits rock bottom and that is not going to happen. Too rich, too many accounts in Swissbankland too many connections to the right people in the positions of power.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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Interesting to note that Vino only want 12 riders on the program. Wonder how the guys who were left out feel?

The way I read it, the back story of the letter Vino sent to Nibali this June was to tell Nibs "look how rubbish you are not being on the team program".

Nibs still managed to reach a sufficient peak for July - remember he suffered all the way up until his win at the Italian National Championship race.

 

[roundabout]

Eh, he was much better than I thought he would be in the Dauphine

 

[Benotti69]

The way I read it, the back story of the letter Vino sent to Nibali this June was to tell Nibs "look how rubbish you are not being on the team program".

Nibs still managed to reach a sufficient peak for July - remember he suffered all the way up until his win at the Italian National Championship race.

I wonder was Nibali playing the long game by increasing year on year for GTs in a manner that was more 'realistic' rather than the spikes that we have with the likes of Wiggins, Froome, Armstrong, Riis.......

 

[Race Radio]

It is fun to see Ferrari scrambling for a cover story

TASCHLER - are we really sure it was EPO? Maybe, just maybe, it could have been vitamin B12: Dobetin vials, 2000 u..., smaller than 5000u, to do half: 1000u. Just maybe.

Um, err.....Vitamins (except fat-soluble ones) aren't measured in IU.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

A few of us hinted at this last night as we were shocked that SKY had not come into the firing line like they usually do, especially when one of their riders was directly connected with Ferrari.

Just figured that most on here didn't even really know who Possoni was or that he was even at SKY which says a lot about people's level of knowledge here.

Now just watch the revivionist-back dated claims of Possoni/SKY awareness.

When you have a super nova like Chris Froome or 2012's Bradley Wiggins, it's no wonder people do not see tiny specks off in the distance.

Also: when was the last time he raced for Sky? 2011?

Your dismissive insulting tone is as expected, but personally I have no problem with people not knowing about a nobody rider with no results.

But yes, please tell us all about Froome and Wiggins being clean and doms doping to no results. So believable.

 

[pmcg76]

When you have a super nova like Chris Froome or 2012's Bradley Wiggins, it's no wonder people do not see tiny specks off in the distance.

Also: when was the last time he raced for Sky? 2011?

Your dismissive insulting tone is as expected, but personally I have no problem with people not knowing about a nobody rider with no results.

But yes, please tell us all about Froome and Wiggins being clean and doms doping to no results. So believable.

How can anyone not find it hilarious that poster's who barely seem capable of posting without mentioning SKY somehow miss when a SKY rider is directly linked with Dr.Ferrari. It's not even the fact that Possoni is a lesser known rider, it's the fact that Possoni was named in the Ferrari investigation going way back to 2011, he was even with SKY at the time. But I guess that was before the pre-Froome/Wiggins hysteria so the usual talking heads were too wrapped in the Armstrong hysteria stage.

And yes I would expect people who talk about SKY endlessly to know as much as possible about the subject they are talking about and having a rider connected with Ferrari is hardly minor news. Was always funny to see a certain poster make claims about SKY being linked to Ferrari but unable to back it up, when there was this huge elephant sitting in the corner.
It is just funny to see the self-styled doping 'experts' on here caught out.

When Possoni was hired by SKY, he was seen as potentially one of their strongest mountain doms. He had shown promise but after being linked to Ferrari, never progressed any further and never got a contract after 2012.
At the time of his SKY signing he was not regarded as a nobody, he was well ahead of Froome, that is for sure.

You also seem to be confusing me with a SKY defender which seems to be a common trait in the desperate attempts to label people. Let me make this clear once more, I am not a SKY fan, I don't defend SKY and in general just don't get involved in the subject. My opinions on Froome/Wiggins etc are all on record here, I just don't care to repeat them a million times over as the hysteria around the subject is just boring.

 

[sniper]

Odd that a Sky rider would have to go to Ferrari when they supposedly have this super secret, undetectable, team wide doping program.

who says that?
anyway, good find re: possoni.
you say Sky asked him to stop seeing Ferrari?
you've been talking to Walsh again?

 

[Race Radio]

who says that?
anyway, good find re: possoni.
you say Sky asked him to stop seeing Ferrari?
you've been talking to Walsh again?

No, Not Walsh did not tell me about Ferrari and Possoni. A Pro rider told me. I can't remember what it as but I remember he said that Possoni said something, or did something, that made him think he was working with Ferrari again.

It will be interesting to see what comes out on him. Possoni told friends that Ferrari never offered him anything, that he was the best coach, etc. I expect several of his customers to use that line. Ferrari is really good at getting into their heads, making them feel like they are getting something special.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Hyperbole. So lame.

Laughable that if you don't know every single rider and crack on about a nobody that suddenly you are insultable.

As is typical in the coroprate world, the small fish are the focus while the big fish try to hide their income off-shore, avoiding tax, then go from hero to zero faster than a TdF TT.

And then if you don't do exactly what someone thinks you should (religiously follow up and analyse and research every single rider on a dodgy team), BAM, all uppity coz they found you out coz you don't make noises about a nobody.

Good grief.

I'd far rather there was pressure on the big fish, the obvious fish, let's catch them first. The rest will fall in place by default.

But no, please, bang on about noone saying anything about a nobody nothing rider who hasn't race since 2011. That'd be really valuable in combatting doping and getting the sport cleaned up.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Also: I have not seen a single person here claim to be a "doping expert". So much hyperbole. Second only to insults in lame argument construction.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

You also seem to be confusing me with a SKY defender which seems to be a common trait in the desperate attempts to label people. Let me make this clear once more, I am not a SKY fan, I don't defend SKY and in general just don't get involved in the subject. My opinions on Froome/Wiggins etc are all on record here, I just don't care to repeat them a million times over as the hysteria around the subject is just boring.

A common trait, agreed, but more for the impression that you only have issues and only insult / dismiss / denigrate Sky disbelievers and their posts.

 

[thehog]

Team Sky was initially unaware that Possoni had become embroiled in the investigation but later issued a brief statement.

"Team Sky is a clean team and we are committed to protecting the integrity of our sport," a Team Sky spokesman told Cyclingnews.

These guys are funny. That was from 2011.

 

[pmcg76]

Hyperbole. So lame.

Laughable that if you don't know every single rider and crack on about a nobody that suddenly you are insultable.

As is typical in the coroprate world, the small fish are the focus while the big fish try to hide their income off-shore, avoiding tax, then go from hero to zero faster than a TdF TT.

And then if you don't do exactly what someone thinks you should (religiously follow up and analyse and research every single rider on a dodgy team), BAM, all uppity coz they found you out coz you don't make noises about a nobody.

Good grief.

I'd far rather there was pressure on the big fish, the obvious fish, let's catch them first. The rest will fall in place by default.

But no, please, bang on about noone saying anything about a nobody nothing rider who hasn't race since 2011. That'd be really valuable in combatting doping and getting the sport cleaned up.

Good grief indeed. Suddenly the clinic has tured all serious and are only interested in combating the evil doping. How dare anyone mock the ignorance of posters on here when they present such serious and thoughtful posts on the matter. I mean all those lovely posts that are soooo valuable in the fight against doping such as

"I thought everyone stopped doping in 2006"
"I thought there was a truce in 2008"
"Oh I thought JV said it was clean"
"The new clean generation"
"Froome was on horse(or the latest) elephant steroids"
"Oh Chris knew, but not fully"
etc, etc, etc

All valubale contributions in the anti-doping war.

Clearly as you dont like people being better informed, maybe you should stick to being the 'google expert' on hametology, physiology and the Bio-passport.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Clearly as you dont like people being better informed, maybe you should stick to being the 'google expert' on hametology, physiology and the Bio-passport.

Information is always valued. I guess the way it is presented - mocking tone, denigration - colours it. Makes you seem like you dislike the Sky disbelievers. Makes you seem like a Sky defender.

Not saying you are, and sorry that explaining to you why there is a perception here (as you said yourself) that you are a Sky defender has wrinkled your kilt, that was not my intention.

But please, continue to try to insult me, that'd be great.

It's google and pubmed, too, by the way. In case you want your insults to be as complete as your Sky doping Ferrari connection knowledge.

 

[pmcg76]

Information is always valued. I guess the way it is presented - mocking tone, denigration - colours it. Makes you seem like you dislike the Sky disbelievers. Makes you seem like a Sky defender.

Not saying you are, and sorry that explaining to you why there is a perception here (as you said yourself) that you are a Sky defender has wrinkled your kilt, that was not my intention.

But please, continue to try to insult me, that'd be great.

It's google and pubmed, too, by the way. In case you want your insults to be as complete as your Sky doping Ferrari connection knowledge.

For the record, the tone of your own posts are just as insulting and denigrating as anything I post, they just reek of smug superiorty. Its just that as you fall on the side of the majority around here, there is less people to call you on it even though it has happened. I just don't get bent all out of shape because of it.