Four-year Ferrari investigation handed over to CONI

[Parker]

For the record, the tone of your own posts are just as insulting and denigrating as anything I post, they just reek of smug superiorty. Its just that as you fall on the side of the majority around here, there is less people to call you on it even though it has happened. I just don't get bent all out of shape because of it.

Look pmcg76. You're not one of the in-crowd. They use the the code 'cleans' to get mod protection, so either use that or raise yourself to Dear Wiggo's debating level. i.e. call anyone who disagrees with you as a Bot or a Sock Puppet, and if that doesn't work edit replies and say 'fixed that for you'. FTFY was how the great debaters won their cases.

For god's sake don't use facts and logic. It shows that you haven't a dogmatically entrenched opinion - a fatal weakness on internet forums.

 

[Big Doopie]

Also: I have not seen a single person here claim to be a "doping expert"..

Oh, I am most definitely a doping expert.

I know exactly who is cleans and who is nots.

Unrepentant psychologically dependent serial dopers such as Clentadoppucci (so beloved on this forum as Armstrong was before him) versus the cleans awesomeness of Pinot and Martin.

 

[D-Queued]

Also: I have not seen a single person here claim to be a "doping expert". ...

Lance doesn't post here. At least not under his own name.

I am a doping inexpert.

Wouldn't to pee on my hand even if it had blue powder all over it.

Dave.

 

[The Hitch]

But yes, please tell us all about Froome and Wiggins being clean and doms doping to no results. So believable.

Eh, pcmg has called Froome out a hundred times. As I recall he even asked JV when JV was posting here, how JV could defend someone so ridiculous as Froome or words to that effect.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Eh, pcmg has called Froome out a hundred times. As I recall he even asked JV when JV was posting here, how JV could defend someone so ridiculous as Froome or words to that effect.

Hundreds. Golly gosh.

I think you kind of missed the point, but that's cool.

 

[frenchfry]

I don't know if this has already been discussed, but the Vice President of the International Biathlon Union, Gottlieb Taschler, has been caught discussing the purchase and administration of EPO with Ferrari for his son Daniel's use. Taschler says he called Ferrari because his son was sick. Newsflash - EPO cures the sniffles!

http://www.ski-nordique.net/dopage-le-vice-president-de-libu-inquiete.5640972-72348.html

At least it isn't only cycling this time around, and another illustration of how the governors of sport are rotten to the core.

 

[sniper]

I don't know if this has already been discussed, but the Vice President of the International Biathlon Union, Gottlieb Taschler, has been caught discussing the purchase and administration of EPO with Ferrari for his son Daniel's use. Taschler says he called Ferrari because his son was sick. Newsflash - EPO cures the sniffles!

http://www.ski-nordique.net/dopage-le-vice-president-de-libu-inquiete.5640972-72348.html

At least it isn't only cycling this time around, and another illustration of how the governors of sport are rotten to the core.

interesting.
spot on with your last phrase.
to add an example, i just noticed Odriozola is still the president of the Spanish Athletics Federation (Real Federacion Espanola de Atletismo).
In 2010 he was in the center of Operacion Galgo that implicated e.g. Marta Dominguez, Adrienne Herzog and some others.
Especially noteworthy how he tried to cover up the whole thing, Russian style.
For instance in this interview he sounds very much like your average Russian sport's official.
"We should look ahead, not look back", "Operacion Galgo was much ado about nothing", etc.

 

[Granville57]

I don't know if this has already been discussed, but the Vice President of the International Biathlon Union, Gottlieb Taschler, has been caught discussing the purchase and administration of EPO with Ferrari for his son Daniel's use.

Priceless!

Who ever knew that being a cynic could be so much fun?

 

[Aapjes]

I don't know if this has already been discussed, but the Vice President of the International Biathlon Union, Gottlieb Taschler, has been caught discussing the purchase and administration of EPO with Ferrari for his son Daniel's use. Taschler says he called Ferrari because his son was sick. Newsflash - EPO cures the sniffles!

http://www.ski-nordique.net/dopage-le-vice-president-de-libu-inquiete.5640972-72348.html

At least it isn't only cycling this time around, and another illustration of how the governors of sport are rotten to the core.

Oh dear, someone updated his Wikipedia page already

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottlieb_Taschler

 

[pmcg76]

Eh, pcmg has called Froome out a hundred times. As I recall he even asked JV when JV was posting here, how JV could defend someone so ridiculous as Froome or words to that effect.

TBH I don't remember if I asked JV or not, thought it was someone else, maybe it was me, maybe there was a few of us. I know I did point out a few fallacies in the Froome story that JV had been parroting and JV admitted he was ill-informed. I know I find Froome's transformation and some of his performances as ridiculous as others around here. I said my piece back then so don't see the need to keep repeating it.

SKY have legitimate questions aimed at them that have never been sufficently answered but the hysteria surrounding them in here makes me lose interest.

 

[@NL_LeMondFans]

wrong topic buddy

Woopsie Daisy

Sorry

 

[thehog]

Nothing new but at least its being reported.

CONI’s anti-doping prosecutor is currently going through the dossier and will likely start calling in athletes to answer for the case starting in January, the committee said.

The same four-year-old investigation played a role in the massive 2012 report by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency that detailed doping by Lance Armstrong and led to him being stripped of his seven Tour de France titles.

Armstrong has acknowledged that Ferrari was his trainer until 2004, and Ferrari’s name was mentioned throughout the USADA report.

Doping is a crime in Italy, and Ferrari was already cleared on appeal in 2006 of criminal charges of distributing banned products to athletes. But he remains barred for life by the Italian Cycling Federation under a 2002 ruling. Ferrari was also banned for life by USADA in 2012.

“I’m telling you as a citizen of Italy: these long cases don’t help anyone,” Di Rocco said this week. “We always ask magistrates to help us and remove bad apples from cycling. But in the end we lose too much time. A lot of the people involved have already served bans.”

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/dec/18/michele-ferrari-italy-police-must-act

 

[mrhender]

Welcome to the Grand Hotel Doping - but it's not illegal

http://road.cc/content/news/139549-welcome-grand-hotel-doping-its-not-illegal

Under World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) rules, there is nothing illegal about the hotel, although its techniques would be outlawed in Italy, where it has been flagged up as part of the long running Padua anti-doping investigation.

But with links to the banned sports doctor Michele Ferrari, Italian newspaper La Repubblica has nicknamed the establishment, officially the Villa Triglav, the Grand Hotel Doping.

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Valjavec said: "In some parts of the world this is doping, in others is isn’t. The federations pretend not to see it, so everyone does it,” naming banned former Olympic champion walker Alex Schwarzer and his ex-girlfriend, Winter Olympic bronze medallist figure skater Carolina Kostner, as among his clients.

He added that some athletes who are wealthy enough use altitude tents at their homes, citing one of the biggest names in the world of tennis, and claiming they are also used by leading sports teams, mentioning two major Spanish football clubs.

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But, he said, “In Italy, an hour’s drive from here, they still pretend not to see it.”

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He remains full of praise for his mentor, Ferrari. "Michele is a friend of mine and also the best trainer there could ever be, full stop. His method isn’t doping, it’s training, personalised.

“I remember training with him on Tenerife, under the volcano. [Vincenzo] Nibali was there, although with other trainers. But the ones who were with Michele were stronger. Why? He is the best.

 

[mrhender]

Italian police to carry out anti-doping controls in Italy

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/italian-police-to-carry-out-anti-doping-controls-in-italy

NAS to work with Italian Olympic Committee

The Italian Olympic Committee (CONI) has announced that it will work with police from the Nuclei Antisofisticazione e Sanit? (NAS) to carry out its anti-doping testing, especially out of competition surprise testing.

The NAS is responsible for public health and have often played a key role in doping investigations in sport and especially cycling, however it appears to be the first time a police force, and in this case part of the Italian military, has been directly responsible and operational in carrying out anti-doping controls.

The NAS has recently worked with public prosecutors in the Padova investigation of Dr. Michele Ferrari and his many clients. Evidence collected by the NAS also played an important role in the USADA investigation into the US Postal Service team and Lance Armstrong.

Some Italian politicians have been pushing for a totally independent anti-doping body but CONI president Giovanni Malag? surprised them with the announcement of the agreement with the NAS. A detailed investigation by magistrates and the NAS in Bolzano revealed serious holes in the ADAMS whereabouts system for numerous Italian athletes, apparently forcing CONI to act.

?The NAS are an ideal partner. We approached them with discretion and there's an outline agreement. And we'll give full details in a press conference on February 9,? Malag? told Gazzetta dello Sport.

It seems that the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and the International Olympic Committee (IOC) is aware of the project, with the NAS expected to sign an agreement with WADA to enable them to work closely together.

 

[MartinGT]

Just seen this and chuckled

"I've retired and I'm not interested in coaching anymore," Dr. Ferrari told Bonarrigo at the time. "They still go fast, even without me: you saw the Tour de France didn't you?"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dr-ferrari-confirmed-guilty-of-doping-in-appeal-court/

 

[70kmph]

"Go fast without me"

Eh, what is Dr Ferrari suggesting