Frank schleck

[ManInFull]

so when will karma strike Bruyneel?

As soon as we can read GH's testimony about doping during his USPS/DC years.

 

[Houndbike]

It's like Garzelli all over again. Except we didn't get to see the non stop comfort breaks at the side of the road.

 

[D-Queued]

Pretty sure the last thing anyone can accuse me of is being naive about doping.

My point was simply that the timing - and product - is exceptionally odd considering everything else that's happening around that team at the moment.

Various folks thought CERA was a strange choice for similar reasons. Yet, that didn't stop use in the peloton.

You can be stupid and a doper, too.

Dave.

 

[tofino]

First bottle in the cages

I'd be wondering who put the water bottles on Frank's bike the morning on the 14th stage.

 

[sniper]

It's even better, Pellizotti is already back and Alberto will come back in just 18 days

reiterating your anti-doping stance?

There is a serenity in his eyes, but you also have the unmistakable impression that something is raging behind those walls of nondescript brown.

spot on description of a reckless liar and a doper right here.
except for the eye-color, this could apply to any given athlete claiming he's innocent at a press conference after having been caught red handed.

"rage", by the way, is a known side effect of steroids and steroid replacers such as clenbuterol. Lance knows all about it:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/154849-clenbuterol-side-effects/

back to FS. Some interesting parallels with AC
>> both FS and AC get caught (a) when not at their best, and (b) after already having decided to leave bruyneel.
>> both have been related to fuentes.
Is there some invisible hand at work here?
The movie Destination Zero comes to mind. first, you miraculously escape destiny, then destiny catches up with you.

 

[Paco_P]

I am impressed by how many are willing to accept, without a shred of evidence, outlandish conspiracy theories of the "I was poisoned" sort in order to reject what a mountain of circumstantial and more direct evidence suggests to be obvious.

 

[gobuck]

leave Bruyneel: get busted

 

[D Avoid]

Harmon on Eurosport has just mentioned Frank and what I think he called Zipimide as being the positive substance and although it is not banned it is used to mask other banned substances. This is odd, not banned but he is booted, now I realise Harmaon's factomoter may be broken but?

 

[alberto.legstrong]

1st the team can't pay the riders and now they can't even pay the UCI ? Things really are getting dire for whoever writes the checks over at rsnt.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

All I can say is that I'm disappointed. Both in FS, and the simply fact this happened, no matter how it did.

 

[patrick767]

The reports I've read use such awkward English I assume they aren't translations, but actual quotes. In that context, it's hard to determine what he meant. That unspecified person might be the manufacturer of whatever supplement or drink he suspects may have been tainted.

The unspecified person is Becca. Soon the truth will come out!

But seriously, this is really getting weird now. It was odd enough that he'd take a big risk of testing positive to cover up doping in what it obviously a sub par Tour for him anyway. There wasn't much up side to taking the risk.

 

[Pedaaldanser]

To the people who wonder why he would dope because he's riding so badly: that's the whole point in taking dope, to get better

 

[LaFlorecita]

reiterating your anti-doping stance?

No

 

[sniper]

No

I love you answering rethorical questions

 

[taiwan]

1st the team can't pay the riders and now they can't even pay the UCI ? Things really are getting dire for whoever writes the checks over at rsnt.

Post of the day.

 

[sniper]

No

I love how you answer rethorical questions

 

[Turner29]

Harmon on Eurosport has just mentioned Frank and what I think he called Zipimide as being the positive substance and although it is not banned it is used to mask other banned substances. This is odd, not banned but he is booted, now I realise Harmaon's factomoter may be broken but?

Xipamide, being a thiazide analog is banned. Schleck knew what he was doing and by using an "ambiguous" substance, a possible out was provided should he be caught.

"S5. DIURETICS AND OTHER MASKING AGENTS
Masking agents are prohibited. They include:
Diuretics, desmopressin, plasma expanders (e.g. glycerol; intravenous administration of albumin, dextran, hydroxyethyl starch and mannitol), probenecid; and other substances with similar biological effect(s). Local application of felypressin in dental anaesthesia is not prohibited.

Diuretics include:
Acetazolamide, amiloride, bumetanide, canrenone, chlorthalidone, etacrynic acid, furosemide, indapamide, metolazone, spironolactone, thiazides (e.g. bendroflumethiazide, chlorothiazide, hydrochlorothiazide), triamterene; and other substances with a similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s) (except drospirenone, pamabrom and topical dorzolamide and brinzolamide, which are not prohibited).

The use In- and Out-of-Competition, as applicable, of any quantity of a substance subject to threshold limits (i.e. formoterol, salbutamol, morphine, cathine, ephedrine, methylephedrine and pseudoephedrine) in conjunction with a diuretic or other masking agent requires the deliverance of a specific Therapeutic Use Exemption for that substance in addition to the one granted for the diuretic or other masking agent."

 

[LaFlorecita]

I love how you answer rethorical questions

Lol

 

[D Avoid]

Xipamide, being a thiazide analog is banned. Schleck knew what he was doing and by using an "ambiguous" substance, a possible out was provided should he be caught.

"S5. DIURETICS AND OTHER MASKING AGENTS
Masking agents are prohibited. They include:
Diuretics, desmopressin, plasma expanders (e.g. glycerol; intravenous administration of albumin, dextran, hydroxyethyl starch and mannitol), probenecid; and other substances with similar biological effect(s). Local application of felypressin in dental anaesthesia is not prohibited.

Diuretics include:
Acetazolamide, amiloride, bumetanide, canrenone, chlorthalidone, etacrynic acid, furosemide, indapamide, metolazone, spironolactone, thiazides (e.g. bendroflumethiazide, chlorothiazide, hydrochlorothiazide), triamterene; and other substances with a similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s) (except drospirenone, pamabrom and topical dorzolamide and brinzolamide, which are not prohibited).

The use In- and Out-of-Competition, as applicable, of any quantity of a substance subject to threshold limits (i.e. formoterol, salbutamol, morphine, cathine, ephedrine, methylephedrine and pseudoephedrine) in conjunction with a diuretic or other masking agent requires the deliverance of a specific Therapeutic Use Exemption for that substance in addition to the one granted for the diuretic or other masking agent."

My only point is that Harmon, a respected cycling Commentator/journalist is for some reason incompatible with the truth of the matter, is he by any chance a fan of Schrank Feck!!

 

[Cimacoppi49]

The man says he was POISONED. Why can't we just believe him like we believe Lance?

 

[Catwhoorg]

The man says he was POISONED. Why can't we just believe him like we believe Lance?

I can say hand on heart, I believe Frank just as much as I believe Lance.

 

[argyllflyer]

My only point is that Harmon, a respected cycling Commentator/journalist is for some reason incompatible with the truth of the matter, is he by any chance a fan of Schrank Feck!!

Both him and Kirby were waffling on this morning from race start through to start of the first HC climb about it not being a banned substance. I twittered 'WADA S5' and some of the above to both of them but the misinformation was not corrected. Harmon might have had internet access problems (hence his O2 rant this afternoon on twitter) but Kirby was getting the tweets in Paris.

They took literally the fact that xipamide is not *named* on the WADA list, without actually reading the list itself to see that the list is not exhaustive and all diuretics bar a named quartet are illegal therefore banned. Absolutely shoddy and now many are ill-informed because they didn't do their homework.

Harmon also avoided defining what a diuretic is, stating that it helps weight loss ("why would Frank want to do that?") or can cover doping, but not saying it's main function is to increase urination. Sweep sweep.

 

[D Avoid]

Both him and Kirby were waffling on this morning from race start through to start of the first HC climb about it not being a banned substance. I twittered 'WADA S5' and some of the above to both of them but the misinformation was not corrected. Harmon might have had internet access problems (hence his O2 rant this afternoon on twitter) but Kirby was getting the tweets in Paris.

Thanks for that, sometimes when you hear this kind of discussion on the box you are left thinking you imagined what has taken place!! Well see what Phill & Empty have to say tITtV 4 later!!

 

[Benotti69]

Both him and Kirby were waffling on this morning from race start through to start of the first HC climb about it not being a banned substance. I twittered 'WADA S5' and some of the above to both of them but the misinformation was not corrected. Harmon might have had internet access problems (hence his O2 rant this afternoon on twitter) but Kirby was getting the tweets in Paris.

Dont expect Harmon and Kirby to provide accuracy when it coms to doping in cycling. Although they have managed to remember why Vino was banned.

They thought Rasmussen was thrown of the 2007 tour for telling the authorites that he was training In Italy when he was in Mexico.

 

[BroDeal]

Xipamide, being a thiazide analog is banned. Schleck knew what he was doing and by using an "ambiguous" substance, a possible out was provided should he be caught.

"S5. DIURETICS AND OTHER MASKING AGENTS
Masking agents are prohibited. They include:
Diuretics, desmopressin, plasma expanders (e.g. glycerol; intravenous administration of albumin, dextran, hydroxyethyl starch and mannitol), probenecid; and other substances with similar biological effect(s). Local application of felypressin in dental anaesthesia is not prohibited.

Diuretics include:
Acetazolamide, amiloride, bumetanide, canrenone, chlorthalidone, etacrynic acid, furosemide, indapamide, metolazone, spironolactone, thiazides (e.g. bendroflumethiazide, chlorothiazide, hydrochlorothiazide), triamterene; and other substances with a similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s) (except drospirenone, pamabrom and topical dorzolamide and brinzolamide, which are not prohibited).

The use In- and Out-of-Competition, as applicable, of any quantity of a substance subject to threshold limits (i.e. formoterol, salbutamol, morphine, cathine, ephedrine, methylephedrine and pseudoephedrine) in conjunction with a diuretic or other masking agent requires the deliverance of a specific Therapeutic Use Exemption for that substance in addition to the one granted for the diuretic or other masking agent."

Is Schleck a chemist? Did he get a degree in his spare time so he could tell which substances have similar chemical structures?