Frank schleck

[kareeem]

My point exactly. Rules are rules.

Contador didn't prove anything.

 

[Catwhoorg]

With current spectometry, anyone's guess how effective it is?

I have two scenario's (skipping the conspiracy as that is hard to prove)

a. He messed up something else and rolled the dice.
b. It's an innocent misstake.

Considering the ease of detection the only reason to knowingly take it is hoping you will not be tested and if tested that you can bluff your way out.

All in all very interesting how this will play out.

Very low effectiveness in my book. Having just written an report involving substances at the parts per billion level (as impurities in a chemical product, not quite the same field as this), and given AC's Clen levels.

The labs are much much better at finding super low levels than they were a few years ago.

Of course that in itself opens a whole different can of worms, given the sheer number of traces of chemicals we are exposed to on a routine basis.

 

[Catwhoorg]

for blood doping they would use something like gelofusine to boost plasma volume and "normalise" levels, not a diuretic to display irregularities. probably not blood doping, more like a steroid, HGH.

Hiding the use of a testosterone patch/cream is my best guess.

For recovery not muscle building obviously.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Contador didn't prove anything.

*shoots self in the head*

 

[Franklin]

Very low effectiveness in my book. is.

If your book is any good (^^) it's either a misstake or conspiracy

Cas here we come.

 

[Thee_chisa]

Hiding the use of a testosterone patch/cream is my best guess.

For recovery not muscle building obviously.

yep, preparing for a big day in the pyrenees !

 

[kareeem]

*shoots self in the head*

Congrats....

 

[VeloGirl]

Would an expert be so kind to describe what the substance is, what performance it might or might not add, if it is able to mask things and how likely it is that it is a deliberate attempt to dope?

I'm looking for facts

It is a diuretic, given to Frank after he complained of bloating due to his PMS (premenstrual syndrome). I'm certain this is the reason Frank wrote a check out to the gynecologist Dr Fuentes. He was simply paying for the Xipamide.

It all makes sense now

 

[Franklin]

Congrats....

Drive by posting... cool

 

[GreasyMonkey]

Steroids, apparently. Things to increase muscle mass (hehe, muscle mass on Frankie, where ). Don't know about the effectiveness.

Or anything you want to flush out of the body, PRONTO.

These drugs make you pee like a camel on overflow, so you end up flushing out whatever you want out, as long as you keep up with the liquids.

Boxers and other weight-limit sportsmen are users, to flush out fluids to make the weigh-in, then replenish the fluids afterwards.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Congrats....

Shooting yourself in the head: When even a quadruple facepalm isn't enough.

 

[TubularBills]

BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL VOLUME 284 27 FEBRUARY 1982 665:

"Xipamide is a diuretic which has been introduced relatively recently and has found its main use alone or in combination with beta- adrenergic-blocking drugs in the treatment of mild or moderate hypertension.1 2 In a dose of 20 mg it provokes a diuresis equivalent to that following 40 mg frusemide but, because this is achieved over a period of 12 or more hours, it is also potentially useful in the management of chronic left ventricular failure. It is a salicylic-acid derivative which bears a superficial structural resemblance to chlor- thalidone; but whether it acts, like chlor- thalidoneand hydrochlorothiazide,on the distal renal tubule alone or on both the distal tubule and the loop of Henle is a matter of conten- tion.3 Side effects not unexpectedly include mild potassium depletion and uric acid elevation, but in one study a 30% increase in plasma glucose after one year of treatment with xipamide was noted in eight patients with pre- existing diabetes mellitus.' However, so far as we are aware, hyperosmolar non-ketotic diabetes has not been reported previously in association with this drug. Since uncertainty remains about the mode of action of xipamide no contribution may be made from this case to a deeper understanding of the rather obscure pathogenesis of hyperos- molar non-ketotic diabetes following diuretic administration."

I have no idea what any of this means, but maybe there's a doctor in the house... Maserati?

 

[2008885]

Blimey, what a tw@t.

 

[ghostofjoy]

and Creed was also a big defender of Tyler H.

oof, did not know that. he did postulate that since fat-burning supplements have a stimulative effect, there could be a performance enhancement benefit from taking them.

does anyone else see frank in the trek madone ad in the upper right of the screen? irony is fun.

 

[Thee_chisa]

BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL VOLUME 284 27 FEBRUARY 1982 665:

"Xipamide is a diuretic which has been introduced relatively recently and has found its main use alone or in combination with beta- adrenergic-blocking drugs in the treatment of mild or moderate hypertension.1 2 In a dose of 20 mg it provokes a diuresis equivalent to that following 40 mg frusemide but, because this is achieved over a period of 12 or more hours, it is also potentially useful in the management of chronic left ventricular failure. It is a salicylic-acid derivative which bears a superficial structural resemblance to chlor- thalidone; but whether it acts, like chlor- thalidoneand hydrochlorothiazide,on the distal renal tubule alone or on both the distal tubule and the loop of Henle is a matter of conten- tion.3 Side effects not unexpectedly include mild potassium depletion and uric acid elevation, but in one study a 30% increase in plasma glucose after one year of treatment with xipamide was noted in eight patients with pre- existing diabetes mellitus.' However, so far as we are aware, hyperosmolar non-ketotic diabetes has not been reported previously in association with this drug. Since uncertainty remains about the mode of action of xipamide no contribution may be made from this case to a deeper understanding of the rather obscure pathogenesis of hyperos- molar non-ketotic diabetes following diuretic administration."

I have no idea what any of this means, but maybe there's a doctor in the house... Maserati?

i know what it means, what you want explaining?

 

[BroDeal]

Slowman, owner of Slowtwitch, has gone full ***. As a result of his pretzel logic describing Armstrong as being a victim of an unfair system, he now has to support his position with idiocy like this:


"and 2) why pull him out of the current tour?"

these are the draconian measures teams have had to take in order to placate sponsors. riders are forced to cede their rights in order as a condition to be employed by the team. and you can't be a professional cyclist uniess you're on a team. on the one hand, it's certainly an abridgment of rights. on the other hand, riders have brought this on themselves through giving into a culture of cheating.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman


How someone can believe that a rider should remain in the race after testing positive I have no idea.

 

[noddy69]

That's actually completely nonsense. I have no idea of knowing what is in my sportdrink/proteine shake or my vitamins.

Heck, you can't even be sure what is in your aspirin. All you can do is trust the label.

I think you will find its not complete nonsense. If you have just a list with nothing in it for new wonder drugs or others that do the same as some mentioned then people get off by taking something that isnt on the list but they know damn well does the same thing.
We are not talking about your shakes or anything as simple as that. These guys have doctors that they use ,they know the rules...so yes it is bloody easy to follow when your paid damn well to follow it.

 

[ultimobici]

How in the holy heck is anyone other than a chemist supposed to understand this? Let alone some cyclist who only really wants to pedal his bicycle. Talk about leaving the barn door open with the statement in bold. It's like saying, just in case we aren't good enough to tell you exactly what's illegal, we will decide what is an what isn't legal/illegal when we find it.

Oh...and by the way, we are testing for things that aren't on the list, BUT YOU AS THE ATHLETE ARE RESPOSIBLE FOR WHAT'S IN YOUR BODY...

How would you like to be held to these standards at your job?

There's an expression in the Royal Navy, "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined".

 

[ElChingon]

I was thinking, he's quiet because he doesn't want to use any of the previously used excuses.

But he could use!

"Joe-Han made me do it or I would not be allowed on the Tour team". Bam instant pardon by the forum-ites

 

[mwbyrd]

Technically I am. I am subject to random drug screenings, mainly focused on 'recreational drugs' but there is a whole long list of other stuff they can look for.

Many of which include a variant of the phrase 'or similar substances'

If caught with a diuretic like this, I'd be expected to provide a valid prescription from a doctor (basically a TUE)

Do you have a lab test every medicine you take before you put in your body to make sure the ingredients are actually what the label states? Because obviously you wouldn't want to lose your job for a positive test?

I'm not saying FS doped or didn't. I'm just wondering about the extremely high standard that we are holding cyclists/athletes too. In my opinion, it's getting out of hand for someone essentially providing us with entertainment.

 

[HL2037]

It is a diuretic, given to Frank after he complained of bloating due to his PMS (premenstrual syndrome). I'm certain this is the reason Frank wrote a check out to the gynecologist Dr Fuentes. He was simply paying for the Xipamide.

It all makes sense now

No no, Fränk is a victim of the Anti Doping Agency's witchhunt - they demand so many urine samples of him that he is forced to take diuretics - and now that's wrong too!

 

[roundabout]

Shooting yourself in the head: When even a quadruple facepalm isn't enough.

Lulz. Shouldn't you be out demanding that Schleck gets one month to prepare his story and has a right to meet the UCI CMO?

After all, Fat McQuaid claimed that it's SOP so as not to sully the name of a rider.

 

[richwagmn]

How will they do the ole' Shleck one-two now?

So how long before RSNT is dissolved? Cancellara and Fulsang back to Bjarne? Andy to Omega/Pharma? Horner, Jens and Kloden retire?

How long will we see Trek ads with Frank in them?

 

[Forunculo]

Couldn't be a revenge from Bruyneel? Sabotage?

 

[sartoris]

Do you have a lab test every medicine you take before you put in your body to make sure the ingredients are actually what the label states? Because obviously you wouldn't want to lose your job for a positive test?

I'm not saying FS doped or didn't. I'm just wondering about the extremely high standard that we are holding cyclists/athletes too. In my opinion, it's getting out of hand for someone essentially providing us with entertainment.

Does your statement apply to Contador as well?