Frank schleck

[Apollonius]

Relax! He was prescribed this from his gynaecologist for pre menstrual cramps

 

[Square-pedaller]

On the CN article, they are saying it is 4 days to request a B-sample test.

I could be wrong.

Four days sounds like a very short time in which to make a decision.

 

[Sem Travões]

Perhaps now he can do the Volta a Portugal, ex dopers usually do fine here, and with the crisis going on the payment he will get won't be enough to buy him more "diuretics" only old school red pils.

I don't know maybe instead of nails people are now throwing diuretics at the road, who knows

 

[auscyclefan94]

I await hazy video of a poorly disguised Becca wearing a hoodie, gloves, and Groucho Marx glasses sneaking into the RSTN castle and spiking Frank's water bottle...

Sadly, it actually wouldn't completely surprise me if JB did the 'blood bags down the toilet' threat to Frank except this time it is with a masking agent such as Xipidimide (sp).

 

[neineinei]

Ja, ja. But what will happen with Radioshack-Nissans results in the all important Teams classification?

 

[Square-pedaller]

I could be wrong.

Four days sounds like a very short time in which to make a decision.

Only 12 hours in an in copetition test in football

 

[cleanmarine]

Wait, you seem to be missing the point. I bolded the important part. And keep in mind that a doctor is not a laborant. He must trust the label.

Let's take three "innocent" routes, first the remotely plausible:

1. it was in his supplement (contaminated). He has no way of knowing this unless he tests it first in a lab (rather impractical^^)

A less plausible scenario:

2. It was a misslabeled meicine/contamination of a legit medicin. In this case the doctor has no way of knowing this as all he does is the same as you and me, reading a label.

The more outlandish conspiracy theory:

3. Someone set him up. In this scenario the doctor might fully well be the perp.

Now I certainly don't go for either of those scenario's, nor do I think he doesn't carry responsibility for what he takes. But it's simplyfalse to say that he 100% knows what he swallows... in the end a pill is a black box.

I'm sure he will try to steer his defense in this direction.

Or it was in blood drawn and stored. Transfusion. Bingo

 

[Franklin]

Or it was in blood drawn and stored. Transfusion. Bingo

Certainly a possibility, but I was spinning the "innocent" theme. I'm not suggesting he is innocent (though I wouldn't be surprised). I just don't agree that you always know/control what you ingest.

To make it clear, Amigo de Birillo has a rather "murky" past. But this case is so odd that I look at some alternative explanations

 

[The Hitch]

Andy won't be able to race without Fränk for two years.

Sad news he is +ve, I just hope Wiggins keeps his mouth shut about this, otherwise i might just skip every race Wiggins enters

Which reminds me. Wiggins said that Frank Andy and Cadel were the 3 riders who have been best in the Tour de France in recent times, deliberately ignoring Contador because Contador is a doper. But why is he mentioning Fuentes Frank then?

the good news from this is that that **** cant now claim he won the cleanest tour ever as he so wanted to do. its a small victory, but well take them where we can.

 

[Bala Verde]

Or it was in blood drawn and stored. Transfusion. Bingo

Use of dehydration products to boost the red blood cell count and then withdraw it, store it for a later infusion? Is that possible?

Wouldn't that also show up in the blood passport?

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Or it was in blood drawn and stored. Transfusion. Bingo

Why would he be taking diuretics then?

 

[webbie146]

Use of dehydration products to boost the red blood cell count and then withdraw it, store it for a later infusion? Is that possible?

Wouldn't that also show up in the blood passport?

How does a dehydration product increase the red blood cell count?? Not saying you're wrong but kinda noob at this..

 

[neineinei]

Relax! He was prescribed this from his gynaecologist for pre menstrual cramps

He paid the gynecologist Eufemiano Fuentes many years ago, so it was about time he got something for the money.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Here's what I don't get: they know what's banned. They should know what can be tested for. Don't they know that they can test for this diuretic? Is it a gamble? Gambling that a) he won't be tested, or b) if he is tested, he won't be tested for the diuretic he's taking?

I mean, they can't test for every substance in every sample, right? Maybe that's how Floyd got busted too - he was betting they wouldn't test for the Testosterone ratio in his particular sample. Possible?

 

[Chipist]

How about

He had a blood bag, too high a red blood cell count per ml, he had a saline bag to bring it back down, but had too much, so used the diuretic to get this ratio back to normal levels?

 

[cleanmarine]

Certainly a possibility, but I was spinning the "innocent" theme. I'm not suggesting he is innocent (though I wouldn't be surprised). I just don't agree that you always know/control what you ingest.

To make it clear, Amigo de Birillo has a rather "murky" past. But this case is so odd that I look at some alternative explanations

Contador's demise. Introduction of PEDs during a transfusion.

 

[Franklin]

Here's what I don't get: they know what's banned. They should know what can be tested for. Don't they know that they can test for this diuretic? Is it a gamble?

The punishment for this one is plausible lower than for performance enhancing drugs. Also, it's easier to defend against the allegation.

But this is all conjecture.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

Here's what I don't get: they know what's banned. They should know what can be tested for. Don't they know that they can test for this diuretic? Is it a gamble? Gambling that a) he won't be tested, or b) if he is tested, he won't be tested for the diuretic he's taking?

I mean, they can't test for every substance in every sample, right? Maybe that's how Floyd got busted too - he was betting they wouldn't test for the Testosterone ratio in his particular sample. Possible?

I'm no expert, but my understanding is that with Mass Spectrometry they can isolate multiple substances in a single screening.

Bala Verde, any ideas?

 

[Bala Verde]

How does a dehydration product increase the red blood cell count?? Not saying you're wrong but kinda noob at this..

Since RBC are contained inside plasma (liquid; 90% water?), when you reduce the liquid, the RBC count per pint (or whatever measure) would automatically increase, right? That's what I would theorize.

EDIT> just found this

Dehydration: As the volume of fluid in the blood drops, the count of RBCs per volume of fluid artificially rises

http://labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/rbc/tab/test#.UAXbSrWMOD8

But a medical specialist on the boards might have to confirm it or explain it better.

 

[Franklin]

Contador's demise. Introduction of PEDs during a transfusion.

The choice of the Ped is in both cases peculiar. I'd say even more peculiar in this case due to the easy detection.

OT. I'd say Contador simply got a belated Puerto sentence as the case against him truly was paper thin. Now karma is great and all that but in my eyes it was a travesty of justice.

Slap him for puerto, don't settle accounts afterwards by abusing the system.

 

[Thee_chisa]

Use of dehydration products to boost the red blood cell count and then withdraw it, store it for a later infusion? Is that possible?

Wouldn't that also show up in the blood passport?

and it wouldn't work.

for blood doping they take a week off the bike at altitude, let the cells recover, take the blood at the end of the week.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

News that he has failed a dope test.



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Where's that Hog?

 

[webbie146]

Since RBC are contained inside plasma (liquid; 90% water?), when you reduce the liquid, the RBC count per pint (or whatever measure) would automatically increase, right? That's what I would theorize.

EDIT> just found this



http://labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/rbc/tab/test#.UAXbSrWMOD8

But a medical specialist on the boards might have to confirm it or explain it better.

Okay yes that sounds logical thanks for the info!

 

[cleanmarine]

The punishment for this one is plausible lower than for performance enhancing drugs. Also, it's easier to defend against the allegation.

But this is all conjecture.

Plasticizers present?.... Changes things does it not?

 

[Chipist]

Frank now in chokey.

Held at a French police station. So says Talksport, so not the most reliable.