French doping agency forwards report on Armstrong...what's this about?

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Apr 9, 2009
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Why didn`t the dopingtesters follow LAnce to the shower?

Of course not..because there wouldn`t been this fuss once again!

This was dopingtesters own mistake and the they roll all blame over on Lance:rolleyes:

Lance has given almost 1 negative testresult/week and still the french knobheads is coming out with this kind of storys all the time:D

Do you think Lance would have enough time to do miarcles in 20 minutes in the shower the get negative dopingtest results???:D

WHY DIDN`T THE TESTERS FOLLOW LANCE TO THE SHOWER??ANY IDEA???:eek:
 
Apr 9, 2009
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WHY DIDN`T THE TESTERS FOLLOW LANCE TO THE SHOWER??ANY IDEA???:eek:
Because it's ILLEGAL. Just because a person is a dope tester does not mean they have the authority to enter someone's home without permission. I highly doubt that Lance invited the guy to take a shower with him, and of course he did not state that he did in his statement.

And yes, there are masking agents that can be administered in this time. But it doesn't matter, it's really about the APPEARANCE of having something to hide, and for some reason Lance made an error of judgement that creates this appearance. And yes, it is the athlete's responsibility to know the rules and abide by them.
 
Mar 30, 2009
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The latest Cyclingnews flash is that the AFLD may sanciton LA.

That puts the TdF at risk.

Funny though, the Giro JUST altered their one big stage to EXCLUDE a trip into France. Now, I have to wonder if it is just a coincidence.

A co-worker of mine is a big Astana fan (I play politically correct and do not argue) and he adores AC. His guess was always that Lance will not really race the tour, he'll find someone out. Hmmmm. That was a quick hallway discussion yesterday.
 
Apr 1, 2009
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Golance,
I read your prior postings and I though you were being sarcastic. I hope you are bieng sarcastic.
If not, well, In the US a policeman cannot go into your house without a warrant or without your permission. I suspect that the tester did not have either of those. And I bet is the same in France, I would say probably more so as their goberment is a bit more socialistic than the US'
I bet you have been stopped by the cops, right? The cop pulls you over, and you see his uniform, his car with the lights, and specially the shinny gun. You can probably ask the cop to ID himself, which probably he/she would do. Then you show him license, registration, and you get your ticket for not wearing your sitbelt. Do you think the cop is going to be ok if you tell him "let me call the police station to make sure you are legit" Also its your obligation to know the laws that apply to driving a car. You are supposed to know you must wear a sitbelt all times. Ignorancy is not usually not a defense. So the "I did not know AFDL could test me" is not your get out of jail free card here buddy.
 
Apr 9, 2009
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So,someone thinks LAnce made a error of judgement?

Do you think the dopingtesters judgment has been up to 100% correct in this case??Lance gave also this time a negative dopingtest but still the french knobheads comes out to media with stories like Lance has made some sort of crime or cheated in this test.Im sick of these stories..:mad:

Do you also think that all the other riders have never been to shower if the testers have been coming to test if the riders have just came back from a all day long trainingday?Have never before heard of thsi kind of fuss..but I understand the french knobheads,when all the dopingtests that Lance have given has been negative you have to found some kind of horrorstories the get the focus of the media:D

The facts still tell its own stories..7tour wins...0 positive dopingtests...and thats a FACT!!:cool:
 
Apr 1, 2009
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Golance,
The tester has to show up. That is probably all he/she has to do. Then you give blood, hair, a testicle... (even if is the only one you have) and that is the end of the story. If you are smart, you dont put youself in jeopardy, regardless of who you are. If you are a "targeted" athlete, you probably act extra diligently.
I actually hear lance does not like to change out of his cycling clothes after training rides. A good source told me that he thinks he sweats testosterone and want to absorbe it back from the chamois of his shorts. Dude, shower or no shower, changing clothes or not is irrelevant to this discussion.
 
Apr 1, 2009
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golance,
FYI from cyclingnews:
In a statement issued today, the AFLD said that Armstrong did not obey the rules of the World Anti-doping Agency's International Standard of Testing, specifically Article 5.4.1, which states that the person being subjected to an anti-doping control must remain within the sight of the doping control officer from the time of notification until the sample is collected.
Again, ignorancy is not a defense. Mr. Cop, I did not know I have to wear a sitbelt defence is out the window buddy
 
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Dude,
What you are saying here is a person should not be responsible for their own actions. Because of the same things you mention "being a targeted man" he should have been be extra careful on his personal handling. That is probably why the mafia bosses stay below the radar. They do not execute their hits, but have somebody else do it. LA knows (and you and I as cycling fans know) better than anybody else that whatever goes on in France will be leaked to the press. So with that understanding, why did LA acted the way he did? What was he trying to show
The tester not allowing LA to banish to take his shower: I am assuming that in France as in the US, no person can enter your home without a proper warrant of some sort. If LA did not grant the tester access to LA's home, what should the tester do. I guess you are suggesting the tester should have trasspassed into LA's home?
As for the AFLD doing a random test, the fact is it was done. Your safest bet is to play along and fight the legality of the testing later on unless you had the rulebook or know the rulebook at that moment.
I dont know much about doping but from the Landis case, we know that there is a post testing protocol to follow. Is there one for pre testing protocol for the athlete to follow prior a test after the arrival of the tester? should there be one? What you are saying is that if you drive a car in a 30 mile zone at 45 miles and you get a ticket by a policeman, you will tell the judge, i did not know it was a 30 mile an hour zone and the cop did not give me a warning. That is sillyness, you are supposed to know is a 30 mile zone!
You are missing my point here, whatever the circumstances were, LA knows the risks of the French. If LA would have been smart and capable to measure the risks he was taking, he perhaps should have acted differently. All I am saying is that LA and his crew did not excersice any judgement at al.

Wow, you are just reading way too deep into my posts... All I'm saying is that if Lance wants to disappear fail him on the spot unless he stays with him while Bruyneel makes the call to clarify the tester's credentials. It's that easy. But to agree to let him go only makes both Lance and the tester at fault. They should both know the protocol and a warning should have been administered before Lance could disappear.

But we weren't there so it's hard to say what really transpired or which media outlet is relaying the most facts.

What we can all agree on is that it was a cluster-phuck on both sides and if this is to happen again than Lance should pay the price. And like it was said, I doubt anything will happen to Lance for this incident.
 
Apr 9, 2009
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So its Lance`s fault that these 5 b-test is somewhere that nobody know?

How can it be so difficlut the take a positive dopingtest of Armstrong if his so big doper as everybody is stating??Any idea?:rolleyes:


A dopingtest is positive when the a&b tests are both positive,and thats a FACT!

Lance Armstrong has never ever give a positive dopingtest,and thats a FACT!

Lance has won 7 time Tour de France,and thats a FACT!

Lance has been the most tested sportsman in the world in the last 10 years,and thats a FACT!

I really feel sorry for the french cycling people,and thats a FACT!:p
 
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Just a quick question... is the AFLD governed by WADA? If not can they state WADA's rules as their own? What is the AFLD's rule?

If Lance screwed up than he should pay the price. But we'll see what happens.

BTW, what is the penalty for this offense?

Thanks!
 
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If its a crime to take a shower after a all day long ride I think we will not have any riders for the next Tour de France:D


I really do hope that Lance will make you feel like this :eek: next July...



10 years they have done all they could to put him down but hes still going strong:D
 
Mar 19, 2009
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How can it be so difficlut the take a positive dopingtest of Armstrong if his so big doper as everybody is stating??Any idea?:rolleyes:

I have some. (without suggesting official blame.)

Autologous blood doping with your own blood cannot be tested for provided the athlete and medical team follow a few important steps.

The UCI passport program only measures hemoglobin mass, hematocrit, rectics. If somebody takes on blood that still has the rectics alive (baby red cells) it will look normal in their samples provided they drain off the extra blood before testing or hemodilute their blood with a drug like hespan or pentaspan. Did you know that a whole bunch of XC skiers have tested positive for blood diluting drugs, and that simple saline can lower hematocrit readings from tiny 4cc blood samples?

Did you know the process for draining blood or hemodiluting on plasma expanders like hespan only takes 15 minutes or less. Did you know Lance was out of sight of that French tester for over 25 minutes!

Did you know that Dynepo (human identical epo) is not tested for because its human identical? WADA has not officially approved a test for it because its too similar to natural human epo production.

And the HGH test is a joke, the half life is so short low dosing it will make it undetectable (like a cyclist would anyway.)
 
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If Lance is not the most tested sporstman in the world so who is then the most tested sportsman?Any idea?The overweight cyclingboy from Germany..?That Jan-boy:D amfetamineJan:D
 
golancego said:
If Lance is not the most tested sporstman in the world so who is then the most tested sportsman?Any idea?The overweight cyclingboy from Germany..?That Jan-boy:D amfetamineJan:D
Hell, I have no idea. Could be a weightlifter, or some t&f sprinter, or a swimmer, or Basso, Contador, Boonen, Tyler Hamilton...it could be anyone. I don't know. My point is you certainly don't know either, yet you are stating it is a fact.
 
Mar 11, 2009
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it was a standard test , processes are set in stone. an exact process must be walked out.
lance didnt.
whether or not lance doped, he fecked up. regardless of his 'missing 30 mins': it is another blow to the integrity of cycle sport.
Irish radio who don't even cover the tour de france result, their sport's headlines started "cycling once again fell foul to drugs today..........."

Lance will not be riding the tour de france now, but pulls so much power that he got the giro route altered yesterday. One rider changed a national tour's direction so that is will not enter france where he could be nabbed.Amazing power. . The rider with this much power must be beyond question or he will damage everything on two wheels.

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Apr 1, 2009
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Bikepure,
I think Bianchigirl had a nice conspiracy theory on this. It is all about the money... The organizers of the Giro probably are cashing $$$ in from LA's participation on that race. LA probably has some $$$ interest as well. Why do you think he is so eagered to get his shoulder back in place so quickly?
 
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Of course Lance is eager to get back on the bike soon as possible because hes going to win the Tour de France for the 8the time.

Contador is like a little schoolboy compared to Lance..:cool:
 
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i thought it was the french said the giro couldnt travel into france cos of heightened avelanche risk...

re: rasumusson.. he forget to tell of his whereabouts or similar THREE times, not once.. it was on the three strikes rule he got booted...
 
Apr 1, 2009
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This is far more involved than a procedure gone wrong at a drug test, and it's really quite simple. This is all about the French not wanting Lance being the center of their universe for 3 weeks in July. They're determined to find a way too keep him out legally, they really couldn't bar Astana again.... and unfortunately Lance left a crack in the door for the French and they're running with it. This is so stupid, like Lance is really doping and cheating now.... who knows what happened before 10 years ago... but now, come on... give me a break. Since the French can't produce a Tour contender themselves, let's keep the others out.... watch out Spaniards, they'll be looking at you next.
 
Apr 9, 2009
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How can you compare that danish doper to Lance?

That danish doper told tester that he was in SouthAmerica when he actually was training in europe...not really same thing with lance 20 minutes shower:rolleyes:when the tester was waiting behind the door:D quite clever that dopingtester:D

I really feel sorry for the french lancehuntingbandwagon:D shame on you smallminded knobheads..
 
Mar 17, 2009
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Like everyone else comentating here, I don't understand the need for Armstrong to take a shower after a little ride - unless he couldn't stand the smell of himself - but nor do I understand the childish behaviour of the French.

What we need to do, is to move the Tour de Farce to another country.
 

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