JTL is a Pecharromán. Froome is a Nozal.Spider1964 said:
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JTL is a Pecharromán. Froome is a Nozal.Spider1964 said:
Tyler'sTwin said:I'm guessing there are about 50 active riders who had shown more GT potential by age 25 than Froome had. Including several on his team.
Falken said:Löfkvist is one and I have followed him since he became a pro. He was hailed as great talent that could be a future top 10 GC rider.
hrotha said:JTL is a Pecharromán.
file that away to Baden Cooke's "custard" theory
However, Cooke has had a chance to talk with Petacchi after the Tour at the races. "He's just a normal bloke, he seems like a good guy," Cooke said of the 'gentleman sprinter'. "If he continues like he did this year then he'll be very hard to beat, but he's got to get himself to the finish," he said.
Even so, Cooke is a little wary of the rider's sudden arrival as a sprinter. "Before the age of 28, it's like he never did a thing, so with riders like that, where they have a really big year, it's possible they could back to where they were before. He may not be able to pull the skin off a custard."
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/riders/2003/interviews/?id=baden_cooke03-2
element said:He's clearly a lot leaner than he was even back in 2009. If he was capable of those results as a 22 year old in the tour, it's not inconceivable that he could be doing what he's doing now with good health, lower weight, altitude training, and a more structured race program.
- 2009
- 2012
blackcat said:wow
good memory.
Came
Saw
Won
we file that WON (sic) under, we file that one wonder
El Pistolero said:Funny how Baden Cooke calls 27 wins including 3 Vuelta stages nothing.
blackcat said:no, Froome in 2008 Queen Stage at TDF. he was with the front group over all passes.
This is indeed a natural progression had he been gifted the favoured son status of a national, say, a Bauke Mollema.
Does anyone raise an eyebrow at Porte.
Froome is much classier than Porte.
No one cares about Porte's lack of history.
Froome has been put on ice for a while because of woes at Barloworld then injuries. Otherwise, everyone would talk of this putative yet specious natural progression like Dan Martin and Tony Martin and anyone with a surname named Martin.
In the 90's nobody cared about excuses.hrotha said:You didn't watch cycling in the 90s?
BillytheKid said:The simple fact of the matter is, with age, any serious rider and at any level or racing will drop weight naturally....it does really say anything one way or the other. Showing pictures of someone at the age of 22 and then at 27 or 28 is not a fair comparision. If they have been racing at a high level should look much leaner with time. If the picture is into the third week of a GT or well into the year, even more so.
no doubt froome is doping, much like wigans and the rest in the top 10 of the classement in the Tour.Fidolix said:you do know a gran tour is 20 - 21 stages right?
I always raised my eyebrows about Porte, he got a gift of 14 minutes or so in the giro and hanged on to it. Well done, since then he showed nothing in the mountains other being dropped course he was to lazy to work.
And now he´s a mountain goat pulling everybody in when it gets tough?
Makes sence.
Im to lazy to go check the gap between number 1 and 31, but I think you got my drift.
The only revelation regarding Froome is he´s somewhat unreal and remarkable progress.
before then was the reference. not that yearEl Pistolero said:Funny how Baden Cooke calls 27 wins including 3 Vuelta stages nothing.
blackcat said:no doubt froome is doping, much like wigans and the rest in the top 10 of the classement in the Tour.
How many have not worked out, that Froome always had the talent, just not the oportunity or race schedule, and the preparation. Heck, put preperation in inverted commas "perparation". Fact is, until Andy can show the potential (re:chrono) he showed earlier in his career, more than Basso, in finishing in the top3 in the timetrials at the Tour. Andy had some innate talent for GT chronos. He could limit his losses, or even gain over a Basso type.
Fact is... Froome is the most talented GT rider in the current peloton.
Talented is the wrong word. You better find a different word.blackcat said:Fact is... Froome is the most talented GT rider in the current peloton.
That indeed was quite funny. Perhaps Cooke thought Petacchi's wins were the same as his great crit wins in Australia, South Africa and the States...El Pistolero said:Funny how Baden Cooke calls 27 wins including 3 Vuelta stages nothing.
If you take away the time Porte (and everyone else) gained from the big breakaway, Porte would still have been in the top 10 overall. He was also very impressive in San Sebastian in 2010.Fidolix said:you do know a gran tour is 20 - 21 stages right?
I always raised my eyebrows about Porte, he got a gift of 14 minutes or so in the giro and hanged on to it. Well done, since then he showed nothing in the mountains other being dropped course he was to lazy to work.
And now he´s a mountain goat pulling everybody in when it gets tough?
Makes sence..
blackcat said:Fact is... Froome is the most talented GT rider in the current peloton.