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Gald you mention history. TdF historically not won clean. Froome part of that cohort of dopers.
You cannot deny history
brownbobby said:Benotti69 said:Alpe73 said:ScienceIsCool said:Hmmm. Nope. The first Google result for "potential" is: "having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future".brownbobby said:Yes, i am saying everyone who reaches WT level has 'some' potential.
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Making it to the big leagues only says you have the minimum level of required ability or talent. Your results beyond that indicate your ceiling. Thus has it been and how it always will be. Name a champion, any champion, and their "potential" is as obvious as their destiny. Hinault, three years after being a neo-pro won his first attempted Tour and Vuelta. Before that he had already won Liege, and Gent-Wevelgem. At the age of 23. Talent doesn't "emerge" as you approach 30. It's on fire and ready to explode by time you're 23. At that point it's only a matter if you can handle the work load and pressure.
John Swanson
You don’t know his potential; you only know his results, past and present. What you claim to be his ‘potential’ ... are your inferences of probability based on limited data ... previous results. A ‘decent’ scientific model, I suppose ... but in the lab ... whatchya reckon the margin of error to be? Small enough to confidently declare an athlete a dirty cheat? Outside of any real, empirical, measured, corroborated, adjudicated evidence. C’ mon, man ... you got nothin ... ‘cept suspicion. What’s the half life of that shyte?
Jeroen Swart tried to prove his potential and failed miserably. All we got was he lost the inner fat.
For goodness sake, how long is this particular debate about potential going to rumble on.
From the day Chris Froome was born, he had the potential (capacity) to win at least 4 TDF's and one Vuelta. This is a fact now proven by history.
We can debate until the end of time about if/why he never showed that potential until 2011, and what means he employed to fulfil the potential eg, even if we assume he took every doping product known to man, had a 500cc motor in his bike and paid off all the authorities to cover up every test he ever failed, he still had the capacity (capacity equals potential) to stoop to such levels.
You cannot deny history, and you cannot say someone never had the potential to achieve what they have now gone on to achieve.
Gald you mention history. TdF historically not won clean. Froome part of that cohort of dopers.
You cannot deny history