Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[thehog]

Re:

Former boss of Barloworld, Claudio Corti does not remember Froome having asthma. He says better ask doctor Mantovani.

On Froome during Barlo days "...he lacked power. He always had a great rhythm, but now he has a lot more strength. He is really different physically."

An interesting interview in Italian here: http://m.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=108547

So, Froome goes to Sky, gets asthma, increases power, changes physically and wins 5 GTs. And he lost the fat.

Fairly easy to read between the lines on that one! Non avere peli sulla lingua

 

[bigcog]

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Former boss of Barloworld, Claudio Corti does not remember Froome having asthma. He says better ask doctor Mantovani.

On Froome during Barlo days "...he lacked power. He always had a great rhythm, but now he has a lot more strength. He is really different physically."

An interesting interview in Italian here: http://m.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=108547

So, Froome goes to Sky, gets asthma, increases power, changes physically and wins 5 GTs. And he lost the fat.

Also this:

Who is Froome?
"The Chris I met was a mature, independent, determined boy. He came to live in Chiari alone, he had created a good relationship. He was without a car, and I lent him mine when he had to go and see his girlfriend. It was not the Froome of today, but strong was strong even then. I remember the 2008 Tour, he was a novice yet in the last time of more than fifty kilometers, after twenty days, he arrived fourteenth. If you do not have the qualities, you do not. I remember that I told one of your colleague that one so could get in the top five in the Tour: I also said to sell my ... product but in short it was not so unlucky. Then he certainly made a big jump later. "

 

[wirral]

Other than the Giro, has Sky or Froome not announced a proposed early season schedule? He may be penned in for Tirreno - Adriatico from this article:-

http://www.velonews.com/2018/01/news/italian-cycling-chief-froome-doping-case-bad-sport_454280

 

[dolophonic]

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Gian Carlo Ferretti is even more caustic towards Sky.

http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/2018/01/27/108533/giancarlo-ferretti-la-sky-E-la-rovina-del-ciclismo-alessandra-giardini-nibali-petacchi-bugno-sagan-tuttobiciweb

Cheers good read..he lets you know what he is thinking. :lol: :lol:

 

[TomekA]

Just checked the odds for TdF win and Froome is not even listed by the bookies, wow.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Just checked the odds for TdF win and Froome is not even listed by the bookies, wow.

Paddy Power's site clearly says "Betting Without Chris Froome".

If you think that the horse that you fancy will beat everyone but one particular horse, you can still get a good price in the Betting Without Market, but it will be shorter than the odds of winning the race because you’re getting two chances.

Even if the the nominated horse wins by 20 lengths, as long as your horse beats the rest then you’re a winner!

The nominated horse is the horse with W/O under the 'Betting W/O' column on the racecard.

Which does rather suggest he's still the favourite (so much so they're not taking any bets on it).

 

[Wiggo's Package]

Re: Re:

Just checked the odds for TdF win and Froome is not even listed by the bookies, wow.

Paddy Power's site clearly says "Betting Without Chris Froome".

If you think that the horse that you fancy will beat everyone but one particular horse, you can still get a good price in the Betting Without Market, but it will be shorter than the odds of winning the race because you’re getting two chances.

Even if the the nominated horse wins by 20 lengths, as long as your horse beats the rest then you’re a winner!

The nominated horse is the horse with W/O under the 'Betting W/O' column on the racecard.

Which does rather suggest he's still the favourite (so much so they're not taking any bets on it).

If Froome does ride the TdF with the AAF still hanging over him it could lead to some interesting tactics

Should Froome get a lead over his GC rivals will they try to get the lead back or will they just race for second in the hope that Froome gets a retrospective ban

The latter scenario would be a depressing Sky make the tactics so boring cherry on their AAF debacle cake

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Just checked the odds for TdF win and Froome is not even listed by the bookies, wow.

Paddy Power's site clearly says "Betting Without Chris Froome".

If you think that the horse that you fancy will beat everyone but one particular horse, you can still get a good price in the Betting Without Market, but it will be shorter than the odds of winning the race because you’re getting two chances.

Even if the the nominated horse wins by 20 lengths, as long as your horse beats the rest then you’re a winner!

The nominated horse is the horse with W/O under the 'Betting W/O' column on the racecard.

Which does rather suggest he's still the favourite (so much so they're not taking any bets on it).

If Froome does ride the TdF with the AAF still hanging over him it could lead to some interesting tactics

Should Froome get a lead over his GC rivals will they try to get the lead back or will they just race for second in the hope that Froome gets a retrospective ban

The latter scenario would be a depressing Sky make the tactics so boring cherry on their AAF debacle cake

Sky would also presumably race for 2nd.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re: Re:

Just checked the odds for TdF win and Froome is not even listed by the bookies, wow.

Paddy Power's site clearly says "Betting Without Chris Froome".

If you think that the horse that you fancy will beat everyone but one particular horse, you can still get a good price in the Betting Without Market, but it will be shorter than the odds of winning the race because you’re getting two chances.

Even if the the nominated horse wins by 20 lengths, as long as your horse beats the rest then you’re a winner!

The nominated horse is the horse with W/O under the 'Betting W/O' column on the racecard.

Which does rather suggest he's still the favourite (so much so they're not taking any bets on it).

If Froome does ride the TdF with the AAF still hanging over him it could lead to some interesting tactics

Should Froome get a lead over his GC rivals will they try to get the lead back or will they just race for second in the hope that Froome gets a retrospective ban

The latter scenario would be a depressing Sky make the tactics so boring cherry on their AAF debacle cake

Sky would also presumably race for 2nd.

Which would see many lawyers having to gen up on the rules relating to Team Time Trials.

 

[Alpe73]

Re: Re:

Just checked the odds for TdF win and Froome is not even listed by the bookies, wow.

Paddy Power's site clearly says "Betting Without Chris Froome".

If you think that the horse that you fancy will beat everyone but one particular horse, you can still get a good price in the Betting Without Market, but it will be shorter than the odds of winning the race because you’re getting two chances.

Even if the the nominated horse wins by 20 lengths, as long as your horse beats the rest then you’re a winner!

The nominated horse is the horse with W/O under the 'Betting W/O' column on the racecard.

Which does rather suggest he's still the favourite (so much so they're not taking any bets on it).

If Froome does ride the TdF with the AAF still hanging over him it could lead to some interesting tactics

Should Froome get a lead over his GC rivals will they try to get the lead back or will they just race for second in the hope that Froome gets a retrospective ban

The latter scenario would be a depressing Sky make the tactics so boring cherry on their AAF debacle cake

Dawg hasn’t pushed a complete wheel revolution yet in a race this year ... and he’s already royally f—ked up your head! FFS, man! Get a grip.

 

[Wiggo's Package]

Re: Re:

Just checked the odds for TdF win and Froome is not even listed by the bookies, wow.

Paddy Power's site clearly says "Betting Without Chris Froome".

If you think that the horse that you fancy will beat everyone but one particular horse, you can still get a good price in the Betting Without Market, but it will be shorter than the odds of winning the race because you’re getting two chances.

Even if the the nominated horse wins by 20 lengths, as long as your horse beats the rest then you’re a winner!

The nominated horse is the horse with W/O under the 'Betting W/O' column on the racecard.

Which does rather suggest he's still the favourite (so much so they're not taking any bets on it).

If Froome does ride the TdF with the AAF still hanging over him it could lead to some interesting tactics

Should Froome get a lead over his GC rivals will they try to get the lead back or will they just race for second in the hope that Froome gets a retrospective ban

The latter scenario would be a depressing Sky make the tactics so boring cherry on their AAF debacle cake

Dawg hasn’t pushed a complete wheel revolution yet in a race this year ... and he’s already royally f—ked up your head! FFS, man! Get a grip.

I'm totally calm, thanks. Just watching on from the sidelines with amused/bemused cynical detachment. That's what forums are for, right

I get that you don't like the speculative stuff. Makes you angry. It's all part of the fun though

Btw have you considered bringing such impressive levels of intellectual rigour to the pubic statements Brailsfraud and the Dawg? Maybe should try it one time

 

[webvan]

John Degenkolb also unhappy about the lack of clarity on the Froome doping case

"Für mich ist es nicht schlüssig, warum es immer noch keine offizielle Entscheidung gibt", sagte der 29 Jahre alte Degenkolb der Deutschen Presse-Agentur in Palma de Mallorca. "Ob er nun gesperrt wird oder nicht, aber es muss einfach klar geregelt sein - das kann ja nicht so schwer sein", ergänzte der in Oberursel bei Frankfurt lebende Degenkolb.

"To me, it seems inconsistent that there still has not been an official decision. Whether he gets banned or not, it just has to be clearly demarcated. It can't be that hard to do..."

http://www.lvz.de/Sportbuzzer/Sport...cht-sich-schnelle-Entscheidung-im-Fall-Froome

Absolutely ! What's more, WTH can't they at the VERY LEAST communicate on some kind of timeline, like he was notified on 20/09, he had until 30/11 to reply, we have until 31/12 to issue an opinion and on 31/01 we will have a meeting, etc...

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re: Re:

Just checked the odds for TdF win and Froome is not even listed by the bookies, wow.

Paddy Power's site clearly says "Betting Without Chris Froome".

If you think that the horse that you fancy will beat everyone but one particular horse, you can still get a good price in the Betting Without Market, but it will be shorter than the odds of winning the race because you’re getting two chances.

Even if the the nominated horse wins by 20 lengths, as long as your horse beats the rest then you’re a winner!

The nominated horse is the horse with W/O under the 'Betting W/O' column on the racecard.

Which does rather suggest he's still the favourite (so much so they're not taking any bets on it).

Following up: Paddy Power's odds on Froome doing the double? 7/2

 

[Parker]

Absolutely ! What's more, WTH can't they at the VERY LEAST communicate on some kind of timeline, like he was notified on 20/09, he had until 30/11 to reply, we have until 31/12 to issue an opinion and on 31/01 we will have a meeting, etc...

The process is supposed to be private. Just because it got leaked doesn't change this. Due process dictates that all should continue as though the leak never happened. Otherwise Froome's lawyer could get the whole thing dismissed on a technicality.

 

[webvan]

Yeah but the deadlines for the handling of an AAF should be public knowledge, what is there to hide ? But since it's hidden, or worse with deadlines that maybe don't even exist judging by the possible delays mentioned my Lappartient, it looks terrible.

 

[thehog]

Absolutely ! What's more, WTH can't they at the VERY LEAST communicate on some kind of timeline, like he was notified on 20/09, he had until 30/11 to reply, we have until 31/12 to issue an opinion and on 31/01 we will have a meeting, etc...

The process is supposed to be private. Just because it got leaked doesn't change this. Due process dictates that all should continue as though the leak never happened. Otherwise Froome's lawyer could get the whole thing dismissed on a technicality.

The “At home with the Froome’s” video podcast wasn’t very private but I guess that’s just irony rather than due process

 

[L'arriviste]

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Yeah but the deadlines for the handling of an AAF should be public knowledge, what is there to hide ? But since it's hidden, or worse with deadlines that maybe don't even exist judging by the possible delays mentioned my Lappartient, it looks terrible.

Specific time periods are something to which one finds few references in the WADA and UCI rules.

There are no deadlines for delivering sample results because it is not feasible to hold labs to a fixed schedule when their numbers are limited, their locations are global and the workload varies throughout the year.

There are deadlines within the disciplinary process to provide submissions, hold hearings and so on, but these are set on a case-by-case basis and they are not a matter of public record.

I don't know whether or not Lappartient would be aware of those dates - the tribunal is supposed to be independent, after all - but there is no obligation to disclose any information about the process except, as the WADA rules require, the final outcome.

What it may sometimes look like is a lack of transparency but Lappartient's ignorance and Froome's silence are necessary by-products of a non-public, independently managed process. It isn't difficult to be sceptical given the sport's history but all of this has not been well explained. Perhaps CN should do an article on how these things work.

 

[hazaran]

There are a number of time frames in the statutes but they are not set in stone and there are multiple paths a case can take through the system, some of which like going straight to CAS have no time limit and routinely take 6-12 months. And until a final decision, nothing can be announced.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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And until a final decision, nothing can be announced.

Not true. Nothing is required to be announced. Froome can pull the back the veil any time he chooses...

 

[pastronef]

Sunday´s 270 km ride. swipe to see the scooter

https://www.instagram.com/p/BeffEFNjPpp/?explore=true

 

[veganrob]

John Degenkolb also unhappy about the lack of clarity on the Froome doping case

"Für mich ist es nicht schlüssig, warum es immer noch keine offizielle Entscheidung gibt", sagte der 29 Jahre alte Degenkolb der Deutschen Presse-Agentur in Palma de Mallorca. "Ob er nun gesperrt wird oder nicht, aber es muss einfach klar geregelt sein - das kann ja nicht so schwer sein", ergänzte der in Oberursel bei Frankfurt lebende Degenkolb.

"To me, it seems inconsistent that there still has not been an official decision. Whether he gets banned or not, it just has to be clearly demarcated. It can't be that hard to do..."

http://www.lvz.de/Sportbuzzer/Sport...cht-sich-schnelle-Entscheidung-im-Fall-Froome

Absolutely ! What's more, WTH can't they at the VERY LEAST communicate on some kind of timeline, like he was notified on 20/09, he had until 30/11 to reply, we have until 31/12 to issue an opinion and on 31/01 we will have a meeting, etc...

Because that's not how Team Transparent works

 

[Merckx index]

Mini-Phinney on Froome:

like many of his peers he is both weary and wary of the growing tensions over Chris Froome's Adverse Analytical Finding for salbutamol and the lack of progress with resolution of the case, which is now threatening to continue into the summer.

"Obviously everyone was disappointed (by the news)," Phinney said wearily. "Same old ***, that’s cycling right…?"

"I had this idea that I wanted to go out and film myself taking 32 puffs of salbutamol and see what happened, you know - see what a double over dose of salbutamol would feel like, but that’s not really my style.

"I’ve known Chris Froome for a long time. I don’t view him - and I’ve spoken to other riders about this - as somebody who is, quote-unquote, a ‘doper.’

"This news comes out and then everybody is in limbo. Nobody knows what to think, and what kills the sport is the wondering and people being up in the air. It’s the same old ***. But the whole sport gets rubbed through the *** most of the time because of the history," Phinney continued. "But it doesn’t apply to me and it doesn’t apply to our team."

The American was sceptical of Romain Bardet's call for the peloton to show more solidarity in taking a stance on the Froome case. "We have so many different people from so many different cultures with so many strong opinions, which is what makes cycling beautiful to watch but makes it very difficult for us to make any decisions together," he said.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/phinney-aiming-for-tour-de-france-return-after-sponsors-save-team/

 

[Alpe73]

John Degenkolb also unhappy about the lack of clarity on the Froome doping case

"Für mich ist es nicht schlüssig, warum es immer noch keine offizielle Entscheidung gibt", sagte der 29 Jahre alte Degenkolb der Deutschen Presse-Agentur in Palma de Mallorca. "Ob er nun gesperrt wird oder nicht, aber es muss einfach klar geregelt sein - das kann ja nicht so schwer sein", ergänzte der in Oberursel bei Frankfurt lebende Degenkolb.

"To me, it seems inconsistent that there still has not been an official decision. Whether he gets banned or not, it just has to be clearly demarcated. It can't be that hard to do..."

http://www.lvz.de/Sportbuzzer/Sport...cht-sich-schnelle-Entscheidung-im-Fall-Froome

Absolutely ! What's more, WTH can't they at the VERY LEAST communicate on some kind of timeline, like he was notified on 20/09, he had until 30/11 to reply, we have until 31/12 to issue an opinion and on 31/01 we will have a meeting, etc...

Because that's not how Team Transparent works

[Team Sky] “VeganRob .... Who are you and WTF do you want, bro? BTW ... please remember. You’re local ... we’re International.”

 

[red_flanders]

Mini-Phinney on Froome:

like many of his peers he is both weary and wary of the growing tensions over Chris Froome's Adverse Analytical Finding for salbutamol and the lack of progress with resolution of the case, which is now threatening to continue into the summer.

"Obviously everyone was disappointed (by the news)," Phinney said wearily. "Same old ****, that’s cycling right…?"

"I had this idea that I wanted to go out and film myself taking 32 puffs of salbutamol and see what happened, you know - see what a double over dose of salbutamol would feel like, but that’s not really my style.

"I’ve known Chris Froome for a long time. I don’t view him - and I’ve spoken to other riders about this - as somebody who is, quote-unquote, a ‘doper.’

"This news comes out and then everybody is in limbo. Nobody knows what to think, and what kills the sport is the wondering and people being up in the air. It’s the same old ****. But the whole sport gets rubbed through the **** most of the time because of the history," Phinney continued. "But it doesn’t apply to me and it doesn’t apply to our team."

The American was sceptical of Romain Bardet's call for the peloton to show more solidarity in taking a stance on the Froome case. "We have so many different people from so many different cultures with so many strong opinions, which is what makes cycling beautiful to watch but makes it very difficult for us to make any decisions together," he said.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/phinney-aiming-for-tour-de-france-return-after-sponsors-save-team/

Gotta say I'm un-impressed. Whining about why cycling gets trashed, failing to acknowledge the very, very good reasons why this is so. Long line of the same story. Additionally launches this "32 puffs of Salbutamol" as if it's a given that this is how Froome tripped the trigger. If it is, he's a complete idiot and deserves a ban anyway.

It's not an excuse. Really dumb comments.

 

[Alpe73]

Mini-Phinney on Froome:

like many of his peers he is both weary and wary of the growing tensions over Chris Froome's Adverse Analytical Finding for salbutamol and the lack of progress with resolution of the case, which is now threatening to continue into the summer.

"Obviously everyone was disappointed (by the news)," Phinney said wearily. "Same old ****, that’s cycling right…?"

"I had this idea that I wanted to go out and film myself taking 32 puffs of salbutamol and see what happened, you know - see what a double over dose of salbutamol would feel like, but that’s not really my style.

"I’ve known Chris Froome for a long time. I don’t view him - and I’ve spoken to other riders about this - as somebody who is, quote-unquote, a ‘doper.’

"This news comes out and then everybody is in limbo. Nobody knows what to think, and what kills the sport is the wondering and people being up in the air. It’s the same old ****. But the whole sport gets rubbed through the **** most of the time because of the history," Phinney continued. "But it doesn’t apply to me and it doesn’t apply to our team."

The American was sceptical of Romain Bardet's call for the peloton to show more solidarity in taking a stance on the Froome case. "We have so many different people from so many different cultures with so many strong opinions, which is what makes cycling beautiful to watch but makes it very difficult for us to make any decisions together," he said.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/phinney-aiming-for-tour-de-france-return-after-sponsors-save-team/

Gotta say I'm un-impressed. Whining about why cycling gets trashed, failing to acknowledge the very, very good reasons why this is so. Long line of the same story. Additionally launches this "32 puffs of Salbutamol" as if it's a given that this is how Froome tripped the trigger. If it is, he's a complete idiot and deserves a ban anyway.

It's not an excuse. Really dumb comments.

Like you Ned ... he’s got a right to an opinion.

But unlike your opinion, his has infinitely more validity. His perspective is infinitely more close to the ground and close to the issue than yours or mine.

He speaks for the fraternity of those riders who work hard for their pay to feed their families. Those whose time in the sport and whose earning power ... is limited.

You’re probably a fairly intelligent guy. Unfortunate that you lack a sensitivity to perspective ... despite your high seniority number as a “real cycling fan.’