Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[DNP-Old]

This is hilarious. Froome is a complete joke.

 

[glassmoon]

Always wondered about those moto/car paced training sessions. Those guys must be gassed as fck after one hour... Why aren't they using at least the electric motos?
Sorry for off-topic.

Back to clinic
How relevant or legit are those Bonariggo's claims regarding that mediator?
EDIT: just saw the Froome's tweet

 

[Wiggo's Package]

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plus he is not in sky kit anymore
(back story anyone?)

Doesn't want to be eaten by a lion that's decided enough is enough when it comes to Team Sky

[Btw that one's for Alp73 ]

 

[thehog]

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Caught cheating again, I start to feel sorry for him. The non-Sky kit might be that Michelle just suspended him.

The worst suspension of all, the Michelle suspension!

 

[huge]

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Froome has denied there is any truth in the story.

No surprise at all.
If the story is true, obviously they are trying to reach a deal and any mediatic exposure is only counterproductive.

I don't think the UCI or whoever decides the ban would be giving less than 9 months, as done with other riders.
It wouldn't be acceptable to give him a more favourable treatment just because of who he is.

And 9 months means no Giro.

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chr...utamol-responsibility-in-hope-of-lenient-ban/

With a six-month backdated ban, Froome could return in time to ride the Giro d’Italia.

People have paid a lot of money for him to ride the Giro ...

 

[huge]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chr...utamol-responsibility-in-hope-of-lenient-ban/

With a six-month backdated ban, Froome could return in time to ride the Giro d’Italia.

People have paid a lot of money for him to ride the Giro ...

This is an interesting issue.

Was he paid in advance? In full or in part, with the rest at the start or end of the Giro?
A refundable deposit? :lol: :lol:

What are the cancellation policies?

 

[glassmoon]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chr...utamol-responsibility-in-hope-of-lenient-ban/

With a six-month backdated ban, Froome could return in time to ride the Giro d’Italia.

People have paid a lot of money for him to ride the Giro ...

How can you have the article like this (firts 2 sentences):

Chris Froome could accept salbutamol responsibility in hope of lenient ban.
Team Sky rider denies Corriere della Sera report that he is 'ready to sign an honourable armistice'.

 

[spalco]

Froome's being an idiot here. If a backdated deal allowing him to ride the Giro without this stuff hanging over his head is on the table, he's got to take it.

Although without the Vuelta in his palmares there's not much point in going to the Giro instead of Tour #5 regardless imo.

 

[Alpe73]

Again, thanks for posting this. Doesn't surprise me at all, though as the article notes, he may not get as short a period as six months in a plea deal. And even if he does, WADA/UCI can still appeal, and I bet they would, because if this account is true, Froome is waving the white flag, admitting he has no innocent explanation.

And even if he gets to ride the Giro/Tour, and wins them both, his image has taken a huge hit. It was bad enough when the positive was announced, revealing that he had made plans for the double while he knew this was going on. But if he makes a plea deal, he will basically be admitting his dishonesty. Even if he now changes his story to accidentally taking too much, no one will forget that he initially maintained that he didn't. And given how much extra he would have had to take, it will be pretty hard for him to make the case that he didn't remember. At best, he intentionally took substantially more than allowed, and tried to lie his way out of it; at worst, he was oral dosing. Or maybe there was masking going on. Unfortunately, if Froome follows through with this, we will never know.

Also, if he is suspended for any length of time, doesn't Sky have to fire him? Can they really let him lead the team in the Giro and Tour?

Why does Sky “have to” fire him?

cute

As if you don't know about SDB's much-trumpeted 'zero-tolerance' virtue signalling/scent throw-offing/PR spin/policy towards the big D-word.

Precisely.

This is called professional sport ... and this is small, small change as far as world pro sports go. Once you step out of the junior high, house league model of values that you use to gauge pro sport behaviour ... maybe you’ll get the hang of it all.

Like I’ve said before ... if Froome gets dinged, fine by me. If he walks away with a short ban and gets fired by Sky, retained by Sky, fine by me ... if he walks away scot free, fine by me. I’m far, far, far more interested in good bike racing than I am in OBSESSING about a bit of doping ... that will always present in pro sport. And I don’t give a fiddler’s feck about what Sky “promised” to you one stormy night.

While you engage in your faux rage over “D” and preach the end of days for pro cycling, millions of decent fans are looking forward, like me, to a Dumoulin-Froome showdown ... where I hope big T kicks Dawg’s ass. But you’d rather destroy Froome over that prospect for what? Sure as feck ain’t for a little dope, lads?

Cards on the table? What are you ‘really’ afraid of?

 

[Blanco]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chr...utamol-responsibility-in-hope-of-lenient-ban/

With a six-month backdated ban, Froome could return in time to ride the Giro d’Italia.

People have paid a lot of money for him to ride the Giro ...

No, no. People would pay a lot of money! He'll get "nada" now :lol:

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chr...utamol-responsibility-in-hope-of-lenient-ban/

With a six-month backdated ban, Froome could return in time to ride the Giro d’Italia.

People have paid a lot of money for him to ride the Giro ...

How can you have the article like this (first 2 sentences):

Chris Froome could accept salbutamol responsibility in hope of lenient ban.
Team Sky rider denies Corriere della Sera report that he is 'ready to sign an honourable armistice'.

My take is
the CdS (who have a stake in the Giro via Gazzetta) want clarity from CF
they pushed this story to test the water
given the radio-silence from CF & Sky

 

[ppanther92]

Re: Re:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chr...utamol-responsibility-in-hope-of-lenient-ban/

With a six-month backdated ban, Froome could return in time to ride the Giro d’Italia.

People have paid a lot of money for him to ride the Giro ...

No, no. People would pay a lot of money! He'll get "nada" now :lol:

Thats not a given, maybe he insisted on pre-payment

 

[Blanco]

Again, thanks for posting this. Doesn't surprise me at all, though as the article notes, he may not get as short a period as six months in a plea deal. And even if he does, WADA/UCI can still appeal, and I bet they would, because if this account is true, Froome is waving the white flag, admitting he has no innocent explanation.

And even if he gets to ride the Giro/Tour, and wins them both, his image has taken a huge hit. It was bad enough when the positive was announced, revealing that he had made plans for the double while he knew this was going on. But if he makes a plea deal, he will basically be admitting his dishonesty. Even if he now changes his story to accidentally taking too much, no one will forget that he initially maintained that he didn't. And given how much extra he would have had to take, it will be pretty hard for him to make the case that he didn't remember. At best, he intentionally took substantially more than allowed, and tried to lie his way out of it; at worst, he was oral dosing. Or maybe there was masking going on. Unfortunately, if Froome follows through with this, we will never know.

Also, if he is suspended for any length of time, doesn't Sky have to fire him? Can they really let him lead the team in the Giro and Tour?

Why does Sky “have to” fire him?

cute

As if you don't know about SDB's much-trumpeted 'zero-tolerance' virtue signalling/scent throw-offing/PR spin/policy towards the big D-word.

Precisely.

This is called professional sport ... and this is small, small change as far as world pro sports go. Once you step out of the junior high, house league model of values that you use to gauge pro sport behaviour ... maybe you’ll get the hang of it all.

Like I’ve said before ... if Froome gets dinged, fine by me. If he walks away with a short ban and gets fired by Sky, retained by Sky, fine by me ... if he walks away scot free, fine by me. I’m far, far, far more interested in good bike racing than I am in OBSESSING about a bit of doping ... that will always present in pro sport. And I don’t give a fiddler’s feck about what Sky “promised” to you one stormy night.

While you engage in your faux rage over “D” and preach the end of days for pro cycling, millions of decent fans are looking forward, like me, to a Dumoulin-Froome showdown ... where I hope big T kicks Dawg’s ***. But you’d rather destroy Froome over that prospect for what? Sure as feck ain’t for a little dope, lads?

Cards on the table? What are you ‘really’ afraid of?

Who are you trying to fool here? You don't care what will happen with Froome?! After weeks, or even months, defending him in this same sub-forum! Give me a break!

And on top of everything, you talk about good bike racing (as a Froome fan ). Hillarious!

 

[Alpe73]

Like you Gillian ... he’s got a right to an opinion.

But unlike your opinion, his has infinitely more validity. His perspective is infinitely more close to the ground and close to the issue than yours or mine.

He speaks for the fraternity of those riders who work hard for their pay to feed their families. Those whose time in the sport and whose earning power ... is limited.

You’re probably a fairly intelligent guy. Unfortunate that you lack a sensitivity to perspective ... despite your high seniority number as a “real cycling fan.’

To be close of the ground doesn't help to see all issues that ousiders can easily spot!

I am sure that you too can understand that. And don't forget that there is riders who work hard and their deserved reward are stolen by cheaters.

I am not insensitive to that. But I’m sure that CB himself would tell you ... “stop invoking the ‘Bassons rule’ everytime doping is mentioned. All riders in today’s peloton realise that they voluntarily assume a certain degree of risk (of being cheated) if they compete for a GT. And like it or not ... some of these riders, if they told you the truth, might tell you that ... “If the winner was clean ... and I was doped and used a motor ... the other guy still would have one. Not so romantic, I know.

 

[Angliru]

Again, thanks for posting this. Doesn't surprise me at all, though as the article notes, he may not get as short a period as six months in a plea deal. And even if he does, WADA/UCI can still appeal, and I bet they would, because if this account is true, Froome is waving the white flag, admitting he has no innocent explanation.

And even if he gets to ride the Giro/Tour, and wins them both, his image has taken a huge hit. It was bad enough when the positive was announced, revealing that he had made plans for the double while he knew this was going on. But if he makes a plea deal, he will basically be admitting his dishonesty. Even if he now changes his story to accidentally taking too much, no one will forget that he initially maintained that he didn't. And given how much extra he would have had to take, it will be pretty hard for him to make the case that he didn't remember. At best, he intentionally took substantially more than allowed, and tried to lie his way out of it; at worst, he was oral dosing. Or maybe there was masking going on. Unfortunately, if Froome follows through with this, we will never know.

Also, if he is suspended for any length of time, doesn't Sky have to fire him? Can they really let him lead the team in the Giro and Tour?

Why does Sky “have to” fire him?

cute

As if you don't know about SDB's much-trumpeted 'zero-tolerance' virtue signalling/scent throw-offing/PR spin/policy towards the big D-word.

Precisely.

This is called professional sport ... and this is small, small change as far as world pro sports go. Once you step out of the junior high, house league model of values that you use to gauge pro sport behaviour ... maybe you’ll get the hang of it all.

Like I’ve said before ... if Froome gets dinged, fine by me. If he walks away with a short ban and gets fired by Sky, retained by Sky, fine by me ... if he walks away scot free, fine by me. I’m far, far, far more interested in good bike racing than I am in OBSESSING about a bit of doping ... that will always present in pro sport. And I don’t give a fiddler’s feck about what Sky “promised” to you one stormy night.

While you engage in your faux rage over “D” and preach the end of days for pro cycling, millions of decent fans are looking forward, like me, to a Dumoulin-Froome showdown ... where I hope big T kicks Dawg’s ***. But you’d rather destroy Froome over that prospect for what? Sure as feck ain’t for a little dope, lads?

Cards on the table? What are you ‘really’ afraid of?

That would explain your omni-presence in this thread fighting the good fight for Froome and Sky. We're not convinced. Try harder.

 

[Robert5091]

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5049804,00.html
Israel puts up € 10 million for the Giro, Froome gets € 2 million - that's a lot of dosh.

 

[theracingelf]

Sunday´s 270 km ride. swipe to see the scooter
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeffEFNjPpp/?explore=true

Oops, maybe they should have cropped the motorbike out of those photos
Nice find...

https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919507-Segment-Leaderboard-Guidelines

Guidelines for motor-paced rides:
Motor-pacing, or drafting behind a motorized vehicle, is considered motor-assistance and conflicts with the fairness and integrity of leaderboards. When uploading data from a motor-paced ride, please use the option on the activity edit screen

I don't do Strava, but that "leaderboard integrity" part sounds familiar from somewhere

He look guilty as well!

It is interesting that apart from the seatpost there are no Sky logos to be seen. On all the other pics I've seen from him doing his training rides prior he was still wearing full Sky kits. Might Sky have suspended him?

 

[Craigee]

Again, thanks for posting this. Doesn't surprise me at all, though as the article notes, he may not get as short a period as six months in a plea deal. And even if he does, WADA/UCI can still appeal, and I bet they would, because if this account is true, Froome is waving the white flag, admitting he has no innocent explanation.

And even if he gets to ride the Giro/Tour, and wins them both, his image has taken a huge hit. It was bad enough when the positive was announced, revealing that he had made plans for the double while he knew this was going on. But if he makes a plea deal, he will basically be admitting his dishonesty. Even if he now changes his story to accidentally taking too much, no one will forget that he initially maintained that he didn't. And given how much extra he would have had to take, it will be pretty hard for him to make the case that he didn't remember. At best, he intentionally took substantially more than allowed, and tried to lie his way out of it; at worst, he was oral dosing. Or maybe there was masking going on. Unfortunately, if Froome follows through with this, we will never know.

Also, if he is suspended for any length of time, doesn't Sky have to fire him? Can they really let him lead the team in the Giro and Tour?

Why does Sky “have to” fire him?

cute

As if you don't know about SDB's much-trumpeted 'zero-tolerance' virtue signalling/scent throw-offing/PR spin/policy towards the big D-word.

Precisely.

This is called professional sport ... and this is small, small change as far as world pro sports go. Once you step out of the junior high, house league model of values that you use to gauge pro sport behaviour ... maybe you’ll get the hang of it all.

Like I’ve said before ... if Froome gets dinged, fine by me. If he walks away with a short ban and gets fired by Sky, retained by Sky, fine by me ... if he walks away scot free, fine by me. I’m far, far, far more interested in good bike racing than I am in OBSESSING about a bit of doping ... that will always present in pro sport. And I don’t give a fiddler’s feck about what Sky “promised” to you one stormy night.

While you engage in your faux rage over “D” and preach the end of days for pro cycling, millions of decent fans are looking forward, like me, to a Dumoulin-Froome showdown ... where I hope big T kicks Dawg’s ***. But you’d rather destroy Froome over that prospect for what? Sure as feck ain’t for a little dope, lads?

Cards on the table? What are you ‘really’ afraid of?

Froome is a cheat. Team Sky are cheats. Dopers cheat at the expense of honest riders and teams. Anyone who accepts this surely has cheated people many times themselves. End of story.

 

[Rollthedice]

Re: Re:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chr...utamol-responsibility-in-hope-of-lenient-ban/

With a six-month backdated ban, Froome could return in time to ride the Giro d’Italia.

People have paid a lot of money for him to ride the Giro ...

How can you have the article like this (first 2 sentences):

Chris Froome could accept salbutamol responsibility in hope of lenient ban.
Team Sky rider denies Corriere della Sera report that he is 'ready to sign an honourable armistice'.

My take is
the CdS (who have a stake in the Giro via Gazzetta) want clarity from CF
they pushed this story to test the water
given the radio-silence from CF & Sky

Or they really have a reliable source. I mean they speak the same language as Antonio Rigozzi, the external legal counsel from Lévy Kaufmann-Kohler with whom LADS is working. At this point we don't know if it's made up or real but it's front page everywhere and Froome/Michelle reacted on twitter.
That's good.

 

[Alpe73]

Again, thanks for posting this. Doesn't surprise me at all, though as the article notes, he may not get as short a period as six months in a plea deal. And even if he does, WADA/UCI can still appeal, and I bet they would, because if this account is true, Froome is waving the white flag, admitting he has no innocent explanation.

And even if he gets to ride the Giro/Tour, and wins them both, his image has taken a huge hit. It was bad enough when the positive was announced, revealing that he had made plans for the double while he knew this was going on. But if he makes a plea deal, he will basically be admitting his dishonesty. Even if he now changes his story to accidentally taking too much, no one will forget that he initially maintained that he didn't. And given how much extra he would have had to take, it will be pretty hard for him to make the case that he didn't remember. At best, he intentionally took substantially more than allowed, and tried to lie his way out of it; at worst, he was oral dosing. Or maybe there was masking going on. Unfortunately, if Froome follows through with this, we will never know.

Also, if he is suspended for any length of time, doesn't Sky have to fire him? Can they really let him lead the team in the Giro and Tour?

Why does Sky “have to” fire him?

cute

As if you don't know about SDB's much-trumpeted 'zero-tolerance' virtue signalling/scent throw-offing/PR spin/policy towards the big D-word.

Precisely.

This is called professional sport ... and this is small, small change as far as world pro sports go. Once you step out of the junior high, house league model of values that you use to gauge pro sport behaviour ... maybe you’ll get the hang of it all.

Like I’ve said before ... if Froome gets dinged, fine by me. If he walks away with a short ban and gets fired by Sky, retained by Sky, fine by me ... if he walks away scot free, fine by me. I’m far, far, far more interested in good bike racing than I am in OBSESSING about a bit of doping ... that will always present in pro sport. And I don’t give a fiddler’s feck about what Sky “promised” to you one stormy night.

While you engage in your faux rage over “D” and preach the end of days for pro cycling, millions of decent fans are looking forward, like me, to a Dumoulin-Froome showdown ... where I hope big T kicks Dawg’s ***. But you’d rather destroy Froome over that prospect for what? Sure as feck ain’t for a little dope, lads?

Cards on the table? What are you ‘really’ afraid of?

Who are you trying to fool here? You don't care what will happen with Froome?! After weeks, or even months, defending him in this same sub-forum! Give me a break!

And on top of everything, you talk about good bike racing (as a Froome fan ). Hillarious!

Call it “dissenting opinion”, call it “defending him”, call it “fanboying him” ... call it anything you want.

I’ll take any or all of these labels ...any day ... over hiding behind a pale lynch mob.

 

[Blanco]

What lynch mob? The guy was a joke from day one! It was just a matter of time...

 

[gillan1969]

Again, thanks for posting this. Doesn't surprise me at all, though as the article notes, he may not get as short a period as six months in a plea deal. And even if he does, WADA/UCI can still appeal, and I bet they would, because if this account is true, Froome is waving the white flag, admitting he has no innocent explanation.

And even if he gets to ride the Giro/Tour, and wins them both, his image has taken a huge hit. It was bad enough when the positive was announced, revealing that he had made plans for the double while he knew this was going on. But if he makes a plea deal, he will basically be admitting his dishonesty. Even if he now changes his story to accidentally taking too much, no one will forget that he initially maintained that he didn't. And given how much extra he would have had to take, it will be pretty hard for him to make the case that he didn't remember. At best, he intentionally took substantially more than allowed, and tried to lie his way out of it; at worst, he was oral dosing. Or maybe there was masking going on. Unfortunately, if Froome follows through with this, we will never know.

Also, if he is suspended for any length of time, doesn't Sky have to fire him? Can they really let him lead the team in the Giro and Tour?

Why does Sky “have to” fire him?

cute

As if you don't know about SDB's much-trumpeted 'zero-tolerance' virtue signalling/scent throw-offing/PR spin/policy towards the big D-word.

Precisely.

This is called professional sport ... and this is small, small change as far as world pro sports go. Once you step out of the junior high, house league model of values that you use to gauge pro sport behaviour ... maybe you’ll get the hang of it all.

Like I’ve said before ... if Froome gets dinged, fine by me. If he walks away with a short ban and gets fired by Sky, retained by Sky, fine by me ... if he walks away scot free, fine by me. I’m far, far, far more interested in good bike racing than I am in OBSESSING about a bit of doping ... that will always present in pro sport. And I don’t give a fiddler’s feck about what Sky “promised” to you one stormy night.

While you engage in your faux rage over “D” and preach the end of days for pro cycling, millions of decent fans are looking forward, like me, to a Dumoulin-Froome showdown ... where I hope big T kicks Dawg’s ***. But you’d rather destroy Froome over that prospect for what? Sure as feck ain’t for a little dope, lads?

Cards on the table? What are you ‘really’ afraid of?

good bike racing??? Froome??? In the same sentence????

Besides...to the bolded...indeed this is professional sports, professional cycling no less, and the doping machinations are just as enjoyable as the racing..in Froome's case more so....this salbutomol saga has got more twists and turns (and comedy) than any bike race Froome's been in.....

 

[yaco]

I suspect that Froome will take a nine month ban - There is no way he could ride the TDF without preparation races so he is likely to wait for the Vuelta and do one day race and stage races like Burgos and Poland in his preparation.

 

[brownbobby]

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I suspect that Froome will take a nine month ban - There is no way he could ride the TDF without preparation races so he is likely to wait for the Vuelta and do one day race and stage races like Burgos and Poland in his preparation.

That is just the most beautiful, perfect set up for all of the 2011 Tour of Poland references to be rolled out again :lol: