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[brownbobby]

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Ewan Mckenna writes well informed articles but this story has two mistakes - Landis was busted for testerone and Mckenna loses the thread of his argument when the last part of the story refers to motors.

But didn't Landis admit to EPO and HGH, but always to this day deny using testosterone at the time of the failed test? You have to wonder why he'd lie about this still with all the water now under the bridge.

Agree on the motors bit though...as soon as I see 'Varjas' mentioned I know I'm starting to read works of fiction

Time will tell.

As Ewan and others have pointed out. Froome's cadence on climbs doesn't match that in his TTs and the flat.

Something does not add up and a motor is the obvious explaination.

I would imagine, if, motors are in use (Femke was caught so they were in use) and i have no reason to doubt that, since UCI testing for them has been as big a joke as them testing for PEDs everything points to motors in use, which explain to me some weird performances, Froome, Roglic and others.

Wether you believe motors are in use at the top level or not (I don't fwiw) I don't get the debate over cadence.

I've always naturally rode bigger gear lower cadence on my tt bike than I have on my road bike. Thought that was pretty normal?

 

[gillan1969]

so the new consensus is Froome had a pretty normal day in the mountains...nothing special...and yet...so abnormal was it that he needed a special feeding strategy...hold on...actually, that was just marketing speak for the new SIS product.......so...really, with no feeding strategy required, the attack was set up to highlight the new SIS product...

Froome, that good he can win a GT doing a promo stunt

 

[Benotti69]

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Ewan Mckenna writes well informed articles but this story has two mistakes - Landis was busted for testerone and Mckenna loses the thread of his argument when the last part of the story refers to motors.

But didn't Landis admit to EPO and HGH, but always to this day deny using testosterone at the time of the failed test? You have to wonder why he'd lie about this still with all the water now under the bridge.

Agree on the motors bit though...as soon as I see 'Varjas' mentioned I know I'm starting to read works of fiction

Time will tell.

As Ewan and others have pointed out. Froome's cadence on climbs doesn't match that in his TTs and the flat.

Something does not add up and a motor is the obvious explaination.

I would imagine, if, motors are in use (Femke was caught so they were in use) and i have no reason to doubt that, since UCI testing for them has been as big a joke as them testing for PEDs everything points to motors in use, which explain to me some weird performances, Froome, Roglic and others.

Wether you believe motors are in use at the top level or not (I don't fwiw) I don't get the debate over cadence.

I've always naturally rode bigger gear lower cadence on my tt bike than I have on my road bike. Thought that was pretty normal?

I do believe motors are in use. For a long time. The technology for small powerful motors have been around for ages. The sport is amoral and lacks integrity so a motor is no biggie for those in the sport. Cheating is part of the culture, motors is a logical step for some. Oh I am sure there are people in the sport who think motors is wrong, but blood doping is good, lying about asthma is ok but motors bad as muchas people are going to say he must be using a motor so we must too.

When Robert Millar is querying it, it deserves an answer from Froome or Sky. Yes there are different cadences whether going up hill or flat (Inc TT) but such extremes don't appear to add up.

 

[samhocking]

so the new consensus is Froome had a pretty normal day in the mountains...nothing special...and yet...so abnormal was it that he needed a special feeding strategy...hold on...actually, that was just marketing speak for the new SIS product.......so...really, with no feeding strategy required, the attack was set up to highlight the new SIS product...

Froome, that good he can win a GT doing a promo stunt

Like many things in marketing, events that unfold actually generate the marketing story. It doesn't take much to build a marketing story around Froome's win and Brailsfords fuel strategy, especially as SIS have a new Beta Fuel' product in prototype phase with sky used in that stage. Just as Froome not winning would not create much of a story either, these things are often self-generating and market themselves to some extent after the win. I would guess, if Froome won any stage, the story would have revolved around SIS Beta Fuel' anyway, SIS would be stupid not to ride that wave.

 

[brownbobby]

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Ewan Mckenna writes well informed articles but this story has two mistakes - Landis was busted for testerone and Mckenna loses the thread of his argument when the last part of the story refers to motors.

But didn't Landis admit to EPO and HGH, but always to this day deny using testosterone at the time of the failed test? You have to wonder why he'd lie about this still with all the water now under the bridge.

Agree on the motors bit though...as soon as I see 'Varjas' mentioned I know I'm starting to read works of fiction

Time will tell.

As Ewan and others have pointed out. Froome's cadence on climbs doesn't match that in his TTs and the flat.

Something does not add up and a motor is the obvious explaination.

I would imagine, if, motors are in use (Femke was caught so they were in use) and i have no reason to doubt that, since UCI testing for them has been as big a joke as them testing for PEDs everything points to motors in use, which explain to me some weird performances, Froome, Roglic and others.

Wether you believe motors are in use at the top level or not (I don't fwiw) I don't get the debate over cadence.

I've always naturally rode bigger gear lower cadence on my tt bike than I have on my road bike. Thought that was pretty normal?

I do believe motors are in use. For a long time. The technology for small powerful motors have been around for ages. The sport is amoral and lacks integrity so a motor is no biggie for those in the sport. Cheating is part of the culture, motors is a logical step for some. Oh I am sure there are people in the sport who think motors is wrong, but blood doping is good, lying about asthma is ok but motors bad as muchas people are going to say he must be using a motor so we must too.

When Robert Millar is querying it, it deserves an answer from Froome or Sky. Yes there are different cadences whether going up hill or flat (Inc TT) but such extremes don't appear to add up.

But what kind of answer could Sky give, even if they were asked a direct question (as opposed to indirect innuendo filled click bait articles).

if I was asked the question I guess the answer would be that I'm more comfortable pushing a big gear in the tt position and spinning a small gear on climbs. Something to do with restricted breathing meaning it feels more efficient to be relying on muscular systems than aerobics when tt'ing...then the opposite when climbing.

But I'm not Froome, I don't know what answer he'd give, but I'm.pretty sure it wouldn't satisfy a certain group of people.

 

[samhocking]

To be fair to Froome, any traditionalist would look at Froome and say doping or not, that style and position he rides on his road bike will never win a Grand Tour, but somehow it does. On a TT bike I think he's got it pretty dialled in now. He looks good on a TT bike.

 

[rick james]

So let me get this right, because his cadence isn’t the same on a TT as it is in the mountains the only logical reason is he must use a motor....this is getting desperate

 

[Singer01]

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Ewan Mckenna writes well informed articles but this story has two mistakes - Landis was busted for testerone and Mckenna loses the thread of his argument when the last part of the story refers to motors.

But didn't Landis admit to EPO and HGH, but always to this day deny using testosterone at the time of the failed test? You have to wonder why he'd lie about this still with all the water now under the bridge.

Agree on the motors bit though...as soon as I see 'Varjas' mentioned I know I'm starting to read works of fiction

Time will tell.

As Ewan and others have pointed out. Froome's cadence on climbs doesn't match that in his TTs and the flat.

Something does not add up and a motor is the obvious explaination.

I would imagine, if, motors are in use (Femke was caught so they were in use) and i have no reason to doubt that, since UCI testing for them has been as big a joke as them testing for PEDs everything points to motors in use, which explain to me some weird performances, Froome, Roglic and others.

Wether you believe motors are in use at the top level or not (I don't fwiw) I don't get the debate over cadence.

I've always naturally rode bigger gear lower cadence on my tt bike than I have on my road bike. Thought that was pretty normal?

I do believe motors are in use. For a long time. The technology for small powerful motors have been around for ages. The sport is amoral and lacks integrity so a motor is no biggie for those in the sport. Cheating is part of the culture, motors is a logical step for some. Oh I am sure there are people in the sport who think motors is wrong, but blood doping is good, lying about asthma is ok but motors bad as muchas people are going to say he must be using a motor so we must too.

When Robert Millar is querying it, it deserves an answer from Froome or Sky. Yes there are different cadences whether going up hill or flat (Inc TT) but such extremes don't appear to add up.

Off topic but you probably should use her chosen name.

 

[DFA123]

so the new consensus is Froome had a pretty normal day in the mountains...nothing special...and yet...so abnormal was it that he needed a special feeding strategy...hold on...actually, that was just marketing speak for the new SIS product.......so...really, with no feeding strategy required, the attack was set up to highlight the new SIS product...

Froome, that good he can win a GT doing a promo stunt

What was the point of this post? It bares no relation to any argument that has been made in this thread. In fact it's so full of straw men I'm surprised it hasn't combusted already.

 

[topcat]

so the new consensus is Froome had a pretty normal day in the mountains...nothing special...and yet...so abnormal was it that he needed a special feeding strategy...hold on...actually, that was just marketing speak for the new SIS product.......so...really, with no feeding strategy required, the attack was set up to highlight the new SIS product...

Froome, that good he can win a GT doing a promo stunt

The new consensus amongst a minority. It looks clear he's doping to aid recovery. After 2 crashes and struggling to limit his time losses he recovered into peak doped condition. A legendary drug fuelled ride. I'm actually starting to find the sky excuses funny.

 

[noddy69]

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So let me get this right, because his cadence isn’t the same on a TT as it is in the mountains the only logical reason is he must use a motor....this is getting desperate

No but when your cadence changes rapidly on a really low gear....really really low...and your pedalling like a lunatic but your heart rate isn't moving yet your speed rockets so much that you bank on 10% corners uphill there could be a possibility of a motor in use....maybe. Ever tried getting to the speeds he manages for those bursts on the gear he uses even on the flat...try it as an experiment. You cant turn the pedals fast enough to do it. Somehow he manages it.

 

[CTQ]

http://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/4838/uci-checked-froomes-bike-six-times-for-motor-at-giro-ditalia
Reported by L'Equipe, the UCI confirmed that it had checked Froome's bike for a concealed motor on six occasions during the race and most notably at the end of Stage 19 to Bardonecchia.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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http://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/4838/uci-checked-froomes-bike-six-times-for-motor-at-giro-ditalia
Reported by L'Equipe, the UCI confirmed that it had checked Froome's bike for a concealed motor on six occasions during the race and most notably at the end of Stage 19 to Bardonecchia.

but with a tablet not the Xray truck

 

[pastronef]

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http://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/4838/uci-checked-froomes-bike-six-times-for-motor-at-giro-ditalia
Reported by L'Equipe, the UCI confirmed that it had checked Froome's bike for a concealed motor on six occasions during the race and most notably at the end of Stage 19 to Bardonecchia.

but with a tablet not the Xray truck

leggi bene

"The new x-ray box introduced by the UCI earlier this season to increase checks on technological fraud in professional cycling was used six times on Chris Froome's bike as he rode to the pink jersey at the recent Giro d'Italia."

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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http://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/4838/uci-checked-froomes-bike-six-times-for-motor-at-giro-ditalia
Reported by L'Equipe, the UCI confirmed that it had checked Froome's bike for a concealed motor on six occasions during the race and most notably at the end of Stage 19 to Bardonecchia.

but with a tablet not the Xray truck

leggi bene

"The new x-ray box introduced by the UCI earlier this season to increase checks on technological fraud in professional cycling was used six times on Chris Froome's bike as he rode to the pink jersey at the recent Giro d'Italia."

on the day in question.

 

[fmk_RoI]

so the new consensus is Froome had a pretty normal day in the mountains...nothing special...and yet...so abnormal was it that he needed a special feeding strategy...hold on...actually, that was just marketing speak for the new SIS product.......so...really, with no feeding strategy required, the attack was set up to highlight the new SIS product...

Froome, that good he can win a GT doing a promo stunt

No one is saying it is normal. I think most would agree with York that it was shocking, stunning, out of the ordinary, unbelievable. All that and more, in fact. But. Rasmussen is saying it is not inexplicable, that it does not need Kryptonite or motors to be understood. Whether he's right, or people want to accept his view point, that's another story. And you're the one with the Lamarckian logic saying it was done as a marketing stunt. I can't imagine many share that view point.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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So let me get this right, because his cadence isn’t the same on a TT as it is in the mountains the only logical reason is he must use a motor....this is getting desperate

York drew attention to this. Was it an issue before that?

 

[fmk_RoI]

ASO blocks Froome ... video. https://twitter.com/chronoswatts/status/857178547407990784?s=19

 

[lartiste]

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The UCI will be laughed out of court if they try to ban Froome from the TDF - After all they could have used this power any time in 2018.

After Brexit, it will be enough just to terminate VISA, if french government will support stand point of UCI (ASO).

 

[rick james]

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http://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/4838/uci-checked-froomes-bike-six-times-for-motor-at-giro-ditalia
Reported by L'Equipe, the UCI confirmed that it had checked Froome's bike for a concealed motor on six occasions during the race and most notably at the end of Stage 19 to Bardonecchia.

but with a tablet not the Xray truck

leggi bene

"The new x-ray box introduced by the UCI earlier this season to increase checks on technological fraud in professional cycling was used six times on Chris Froome's bike as he rode to the pink jersey at the recent Giro d'Italia."

on the day in question.

What day?

 

[buckle]

https://cyclingtips.com/2018/05/cyclingtips-podcast-froome-wins-pink-floyd-defines-doing-a-landis/

Floyd starts at about 45".

He's very good on Froome and anti-doping authorities.

 

[CTQ]

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http://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/4838/uci-checked-froomes-bike-six-times-for-motor-at-giro-ditalia
Reported by L'Equipe, the UCI confirmed that it had checked Froome's bike for a concealed motor on six occasions during the race and most notably at the end of Stage 19 to Bardonecchia.

but with a tablet not the Xray truck

leggi bene

"The new x-ray box introduced by the UCI earlier this season to increase checks on technological fraud in professional cycling was used six times on Chris Froome's bike as he rode to the pink jersey at the recent Giro d'Italia."

on the day in question.

http://www.velonews.com/2018/05/giro-ditalia/viviani-test-us-better_467400

Several bikes are being X-rayed after key stages. The top finishers saw their bikes X-rayed on the Zoncolan summit over the weekend.Viviani confirmed that his bike has been scanned as well as X-rayed throughout this Giro.

 

[CTQ]

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ASO blocks Froome ... video. https://twitter.com/chronoswatts/status/857178547407990784?s=19

in force this May 25 , the new law of General Data Protection Regulation perharps

 

[Ripper]

https://cyclingtips.com/2018/05/cyclingtips-podcast-froome-wins-pink-floyd-defines-doing-a-landis/

Floyd starts at about 45".

He's very good on Froome and anti-doping authorities.

That was surprisingly good. He's appears to have changed quite a bit over the years.

 

[Alpe73]

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To be fair to Froome, any traditionalist would look at Froome and say doping or not, that style and position he rides on his road bike will never win a Grand Tour, but somehow it does. On a TT bike I think he's got it pretty dialled in now. He looks good on a TT bike.

Yes. And throughout the sporting world there are examples of athletes who, despite adopting 'anomalous body positioning' ( (by necessity or by choice) produce exemplar athletic performances.