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rick james said:
macbindle said:
rick james said:
I don't watch cycling to be cynical of the winners....if that’s what drives some people to watch sport then so be it

But here you are...constantly...on this thread which is solely concerned with whether Froome is a dope cheat...

...and always posting in defence of Froome, whether overtly or tacitly by mocking those weighing up the evidence.
I didn’t realise it was up to you where I post
My post is in response to your post. That is why I quoted it.
 
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macbindle said:
rick james said:
macbindle said:
rick james said:
I don't watch cycling to be cynical of the winners....if that’s what drives some people to watch sport then so be it

But here you are...constantly...on this thread which is solely concerned with whether Froome is a dope cheat...

...and always posting in defence of Froome, whether overtly or tacitly by mocking those weighing up the evidence.
I didn’t realise it was up to you where I post
My post is in response to your post. That is why I quoted it.
Again why do you care where I post? Really it’s getting creepy
 
So how thoroughly was he tested during Vuelta '11? We know, the stage winner and yellow rider are tested (after each stage) plus few random ones (less than 5 in total iirc). How credible those retrospective title awards really are (not just this Vuelta but others too)?
 
Miracle man is on his bike again... I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm starting to believe the rumors that he wasn't as badly injured as the team said he was!

Also good luck trying to catch him retroactively (wrt the discussion about 2011 Vuelta above) they can't test for motors in retrospect :rolleyes:
 
An amusing detail, which also shows how stupid awarding retroactive titles is, is: without cobo, does froome even win this race?

I think he would have stayed with wiggins on the angliru and then later on pena cabarga as well and never gotten a chance to overtake him.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Miracle man is on his bike again... I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm starting to believe the rumors that he wasn't as badly injured as the team said he was!
The report said he can sit on a bike and pedal with one leg. A person with one leg can sit on a bike and pedal with one leg, but it doesn't mean the other one has grown back.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Miracle man is on his bike again... I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm starting to believe the rumors that he wasn't as badly injured as the team said he was!

Also good luck trying to catch him retroactively (wrt the discussion about 2011 Vuelta above) they can't test for motors in retrospect :rolleyes:
He is using a trainer with one leg as of yesterday, hardly back on a bike as you make out :rolleyes:
 
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bigcog said:
LaFlorecita said:
Miracle man is on his bike again... I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm starting to believe the rumors that he wasn't as badly injured as the team said he was!

Also good luck trying to catch him retroactively (wrt the discussion about 2011 Vuelta above) they can't test for motors in retrospect :rolleyes:
He is using a trainer with one leg as of yesterday, hardly back on a bike as you make out :rolleyes:
He fractured his hip and femur, ribs, sternum, elbow, some neck vertrebrae (but never wore a brace), lost 2 L of blood and was supposed to be in the hospital for 6 weeks - yet he is on a trainer again (stationary bike :rolleyes: ) after 1 month

:confused:
 
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LaFlorecita said:
bigcog said:
LaFlorecita said:
Miracle man is on his bike again... I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm starting to believe the rumors that he wasn't as badly injured as the team said he was!

Also good luck trying to catch him retroactively (wrt the discussion about 2011 Vuelta above) they can't test for motors in retrospect :rolleyes:
He is using a trainer with one leg as of yesterday, hardly back on a bike as you make out :rolleyes:
He fractured his hip and femur, ribs, sternum, elbow, some neck vertrebrae (but never wore a brace), lost 2 L of blood and was supposed to be in the hospital for 6 weeks - yet he is on a trainer again (stationary bike :rolleyes: ) after 1 month

:confused:
Ineos made it sound as if Froome was as badly injured as Pantani in 1995, who spent most of 1996 in rehabilitation and swimming pools learning how to walk again!

Yes, NOW I think the conspiracy theorists actually might have a point. Didn't do so beforehand.

Also Froome's already happily celebrating his 2011 Vuelta a Espana victory on social media. Completely classless act this jerk!
 
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LaFlorecita said:
bigcog said:
LaFlorecita said:
Miracle man is on his bike again... I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm starting to believe the rumors that he wasn't as badly injured as the team said he was!

Also good luck trying to catch him retroactively (wrt the discussion about 2011 Vuelta above) they can't test for motors in retrospect :rolleyes:
He is using a trainer with one leg as of yesterday, hardly back on a bike as you make out :rolleyes:
He fractured his hip and femur, ribs, sternum, elbow, some neck vertrebrae (but never wore a brace), lost 2 L of blood and was supposed to be in the hospital for 6 weeks - yet he is on a trainer again (stationary bike :rolleyes: ) after 1 month

:confused:

So do you believe he never had these injuries in the first place, are you saying doctors who have spent their whole life in medicine are now on the big bad ineos payroll and are willing to put their whole professional life on the line to protect Froome??
 
Never wanting to be labelled a theorist of conspiracy (in vain?) but:

could these few month just be a time-out for breaking the bio-passport?

Similar to back-when in tennis ace Nadal had his time-out for several months - "being injured".

The money wants to keep them running
but has to admonish them somehow in the dark.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
bigcog said:
LaFlorecita said:
Miracle man is on his bike again... I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm starting to believe the rumors that he wasn't as badly injured as the team said he was!

Also good luck trying to catch him retroactively (wrt the discussion about 2011 Vuelta above) they can't test for motors in retrospect :rolleyes:
He is using a trainer with one leg as of yesterday, hardly back on a bike as you make out :rolleyes:
He fractured his hip and femur, ribs, sternum, elbow, some neck vertrebrae (but never wore a brace), lost 2 L of blood and was supposed to be in the hospital for 6 weeks - yet he is on a trainer again (stationary bike :rolleyes: ) after 1 month

:confused:
I fractured my shoulder in two places, collarbone and totally destroyed one of my knees as in shattered bone, and I was up and hobbling about after a few weeks, with my knackered leg immobilized. His fractured leg will be immobilized I would have thought. His care will be a damn site better than I received so I ain't that surprised he's doing some stuff already. We don't know how bad some of the fractures are either, some could well be hairline in which case they often do nothing as far treatment goes.
 
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TourOfSardinia said:
Never wanting to be labelled a theorist of conspiracy (in vain?) but:

could these few month just be a time-out for breaking the bio-passport?

Similar to back-when in tennis ace Nadal had his time-out for several months - "being injured".

The money wants to keep them running
but has to admonish them somehow in the dark.
I suppose in theory it could.....but why wouldn't he just say he was injured, a simple knee ligament problem or something similar (oh wait, maybe that's what's happening with Tom D :redface: )

Why concoct such an elaborate story involving complicity from so many different professional people...thats the question that none of the tin foil brigade seem to address :confused:
 
Exactly. All he needed was to be sick and need 6 months off, spend time with his kids for 6 months, needs a break as fatigued etc etc. Take you pick from a million simple believable ailments/scenarios.
Oh, no, I know what I'll do. I'll get 3 different French Hospitals, Helicopters, Police, various prominent Surgeons with huge reputations at stake, an Ambulance crew and say I crashed into a brick wall while blowing my nose on a recon ride. That'll do it!
 
samhocking said:
Exactly. All he needed was to be sick and need 6 months off, spend time with his kids for 6 months, needs a break as fatigued etc etc. Take you pick from a million simple believable ailments/scenarios.
Oh, no, I know what I'll do. I'll get 3 different French Hospitals, Helicopters, Police, various prominent Surgeons with huge reputations at stake, an Ambulance crew and say I crashed into a brick wall while blowing my nose on a recon ride. That'll do it!
:lol:

You missed out Dan martin being on the payroll too.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
bigcog said:
LaFlorecita said:
Miracle man is on his bike again... I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm starting to believe the rumors that he wasn't as badly injured as the team said he was!

Also good luck trying to catch him retroactively (wrt the discussion about 2011 Vuelta above) they can't test for motors in retrospect :rolleyes:
He is using a trainer with one leg as of yesterday, hardly back on a bike as you make out :rolleyes:
He fractured his hip and femur, ribs, sternum, elbow, some neck vertrebrae (but never wore a brace), lost 2 L of blood and was supposed to be in the hospital for 6 weeks - yet he is on a trainer again (stationary bike :rolleyes: ) after 1 month

:confused:
And his doctors have already said he could come back better than ever.
 
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veganrob said:
LaFlorecita said:
bigcog said:
LaFlorecita said:
Miracle man is on his bike again... I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm starting to believe the rumors that he wasn't as badly injured as the team said he was!

Also good luck trying to catch him retroactively (wrt the discussion about 2011 Vuelta above) they can't test for motors in retrospect :rolleyes:
He is using a trainer with one leg as of yesterday, hardly back on a bike as you make out :rolleyes:
He fractured his hip and femur, ribs, sternum, elbow, some neck vertrebrae (but never wore a brace), lost 2 L of blood and was supposed to be in the hospital for 6 weeks - yet he is on a trainer again (stationary bike :rolleyes: ) after 1 month

:confused:
And his doctors have already said he could come back better than ever.
I don't think the team did announce the Injuries. The original list of injuries came directly from the Surgeon Remi Philipot. Could come back stronger is an odd statement from Philipot though I agree unless a translation issue and really means the femure will be stronger in the short term because that's how bones often heal.
 
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TourOfSardinia said:
Never wanting to be labelled a theorist of conspiracy (in vain?) but:

could these few month just be a time-out for breaking the bio-passport?

Similar to back-when in tennis ace Nadal had his time-out for several months - "being injured".

The money wants to keep them running
but has to admonish them somehow in the dark.
So are professional doctors lying to us and are in on this conspiracy
 
rick james said:
TourOfSardinia said:
Never wanting to be labelled a theorist of conspiracy (in vain?) but:

could these few month just be a time-out for breaking the bio-passport?

Similar to back-when in tennis ace Nadal had his time-out for several months - "being injured".

The money wants to keep them running
but has to admonish them somehow in the dark.
So are professional doctors lying to us and are in on this conspiracy

Well they were when it came to facilitating doping, transfusions and test evasion...
 
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macbindle said:
rick james said:
TourOfSardinia said:
Never wanting to be labelled a theorist of conspiracy (in vain?) but:

could these few month just be a time-out for breaking the bio-passport?

Similar to back-when in tennis ace Nadal had his time-out for several months - "being injured".

The money wants to keep them running
but has to admonish them somehow in the dark.
So are professional doctors lying to us and are in on this conspiracy

Well they were when it came to facilitating doping, transfusions and test evasion...
Personally I can't see trauma surgeons who work for French health service being involved with a conspiracy with Ineos and Froome, but whatever floats your boat :lol:
 
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veganrob said:
LaFlorecita said:
bigcog said:
LaFlorecita said:
Miracle man is on his bike again... I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm starting to believe the rumors that he wasn't as badly injured as the team said he was!

Also good luck trying to catch him retroactively (wrt the discussion about 2011 Vuelta above) they can't test for motors in retrospect :rolleyes:
He is using a trainer with one leg as of yesterday, hardly back on a bike as you make out :rolleyes:
He fractured his hip and femur, ribs, sternum, elbow, some neck vertrebrae (but never wore a brace), lost 2 L of blood and was supposed to be in the hospital for 6 weeks - yet he is on a trainer again (stationary bike :rolleyes: ) after 1 month

:confused:
And his doctors have already said he could come back better than ever.
Well

The jokes are getting better than ever
 

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