Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[laziali]

So F#CKING sick of Sky cheating there way to another Tour victory and still 2 long weeks to go

Reminds me of ONCE smashing it over the top of an HC summit with all 9 riders on the front, Mapei's three-peat at PR and the farce that was Gewiss. Not to mention USPS going into the bottom of Alpe d'Huez.

FFS Sky, at least have some subtlety about it if you're going to stick to the "marginal gains" crap!!! Otherwise just fess up to the AICAR now and f#ck off.

 

[Alphabet]

Do the French even care about there being a British winner? I know the British media like to describe the Tour as the Ashes on wheels against the French rather than the Australians, but there's no rivalry between France and Britain in cycling so why bother with an approach like that?

The most disappointing thing about Sky's doping is that they appear to have exclusive access to some substance that the rest of the peloton don't. I think if everybody was equally juiced I'd find it a little easier to bear their incredible success.

 

[darwin553]

So F#CKING sick of Sky cheating there way to another Tour victory and still 2 long weeks to go

Any evidence of that champ or is it just your opinion? Maybe the other riders should just work harder

 

[auscyclefan94]

Any evidence of that champ or is it just your opinion? Maybe the other riders should just work harder

I am convinced this guy is Phil Liggett. Exactly what he said about Lance.

 

[laziali]

Any evidence of that champ or is it just your opinion? Maybe the other riders should just work harder

Seriously??? Did I just get in a time-machine and get in a conversation with a Lance Fanboy circa 2010???

You obviously did not watch the stage. Oh, wait a minute ...

 

[darwin553]

Seriously??? Did I just get in a time-machine and get in a conversation with a Lance Fanboy circa 2010???

You obviously did not watch the stage. Oh, wait a minute ...

Hey I am no Lance fan (or Ulrich fan for that matter ) but give me proof champ of Sky's doping and then I will listen to your wild accusations.

 

[Galic Ho]

I am pleased to see there are more in here who have seen through the fraud Foxxy. Pretending that he is a noble fighter against doping when all that matters to guys like him is that it is the "right" (no matter if he is doped) guy who wins.

Cycling had such a huge chance to get really clean.

This is what we are left with. A lot of people who sounded right at the proper time but when it came to being consistent, they faltered. It was mostly about being anti-Lance.

Being pro clean cycling never came into it. Foxxy had some good posts in here in the day. I thought he understood. But he did have a post a year or so back which I replied to and was shocked that he'd been fooled by the new shenanigans. I believe it was also about Sky...however Wiggins, not Froome. Reading some of Foxxy's posts today...yeah, not good. Even the stale-warts of pro Sky championing on this forum haven't touched this debacle from what I've seen.

Right now I am more disgusted at how certain countries are being treated regarding doping. I have always wanted everyone lumped in the same boat. It all to come out. But nope, it's all the same. 2008 who was busted? A few minor Germans, to sink the nail into that coffin and Italians. What they did relative to what Sky have done...well there is a world of difference. Sky have MULTIPLE GT podium spots, a GT win, Olympic gold and what did Ricco and Pieopoli get? Shafted. It's not right.

If Sky can field a rider who looks so wrong riding it is blatantly obvious what he is doing, why can't we get Sella and Ricco from 2008 back? At least they looked good doping! At least we all knew they were doping! Just like Santa and Di Luca this year. Obvious. Oh that's right...Italian.

This crap is destroying this sport. Not a happy camper because of it.

 

[laziali]

Hey I am no Lance fan (or Ulrich fan for that matter ) but give me proof champ of Sky's doping and then I will listen to your wild accusations.

Well, here's a nice start for you. I suggest you learn a little about cycling before coming back onto this forum. You are coming across as completely naive and ignorant.

 

[darwin553]

Well, here's a nice start for you. I suggest you learn a little about cycling before coming back onto this forum. You are coming across as completely naive and ignorant.

And Froone is 28? So what is your point? He is in the middle of the height of his career, isn't he?

 

[laziali]

And Froone is 28? So what is your point? He is in the middle of the height of his career, isn't he?

Congratulations troll, you just made it onto my forum Ignore list.

 

[Robert21]

Do the French even care about there being a British winner? I know the British media like to describe the Tour as the Ashes on wheels against the French rather than the Australians, but there's no rivalry between France and Britain in cycling so why bother with an approach like that?

As I said earlier, that is just the way Brits tend to think.

I am a Brit who has lived in France for many years and in my experience the French are nowhere near as jingoistic as the Brits (and Americans) when it comes to sport. They even talk about national teams in an entirely different way, typically saying, 'They played well' where a Brit or American would say 'We played well'. Generally, the French would rather see a rider win with 'panache' and courage, almost irrespective of nationality, than see a French rider win in a calculated and uninspiring manner. This is partly because the French attitude to sport is still very much coloured by the old De Courbertin motto, "The important thing in life is not to triumph but to compete, it is not victory but combat, it is not to have vanquished but to have fought well, it is not winning but taking part..."

Unfortunately, few British and American fans can really grasp this, interpreting what they see in terms of a rather different, 'Winning is not everything, it is the only thing' perspective. One good example is the attitude to French riders who go off on a spectacular attack, only to fail. To the Brits this is pointless showboating, deserving of a nickname such as 'TV Tommy'. To the rider and many French fans, it is better to try to win with 'panache' and grit and fail, than simply to win.

That said, most people in France now seem to regard the Tour as an irrelevant circus whose only virtue is that it brings in tourists. Froome's arrogant freak show can only have strengthened this attitude.

 

[laziali]

As I said earlier, that is just the way Brits tend to think.

I am a Brit who has lived in France for many years and in my experience the French are no where near as jingoistic as the Brits (and Americans) when it comes to sport. They even talk about national teams in an entirely different way, typically saying, 'They played well' where a Brit or American would say 'We played well'. Generally, the French would rather see a rider win with 'panache' and courage, almost irrespective of nationality, than see a French rider win in a calculated and uninspiring manner. This is partly because the French attitude to sport is still very much coloured by the old De Courbertin motto, "The important thing in life is not to triumph but to compete, it is not victory but combat, it is not to have vanquished but to have fought well, it is not winning but taking part..."

Unfortunately, few British and American fans can really grasp this, interpreting what that see in terms of a rather different, 'Winning is not everything, it is the only thing' perspective. One good example is the attitude to French riders who go off on a spectacular attack, only to fail. To the Brits this is pointless showboating, deserving of a nickname such as 'TV Tommy'. To the rider and many French fans, it is better to try to win with 'panache' and grit and fail, than simply to win.

That said, most people in France now seem to regard the Tour as an irrelevant circus whose only virtue is that it brings in tourists. Froome's arrogant freak show can only have strengthened this attitude.

+1

ten charas

 

[darwin553]

Congratulations troll, you just made it onto my forum Ignore list.

Your loss then

 

[Zam_Olyas]

darwin, are you saying that Froome and Porte are believable and nothing extraordinary about their performance?

 

[Alphabet]

And Froone is 28? So what is your point? He is in the middle of the height of his career, isn't he?

Umm. Look at the graph. Down the bottom there, almost in line with the 'Pro Conti' line is 'CF'- Chris Froome. That graph was Brailsford's assessment of the current and potential ability of his squad. Froome was, in Brailsford's opinion, around Pro Conti level at that time, but had a few years to grow. At the most, starting from that low, he would be an average World Tour rider. But he's far outstripped that and become the best World Tour rider around.

 

[Alphabet]

For clarity's sake, I've adapted that career trajectory onto Froome. Sorry for how crap it is, that was a 30 second job on Paint .

Instead, his career has gone like this:

Not normal.

 

[lemoogle]

Do the French even care about there being a British winner? I know the British media like to describe the Tour as the Ashes on wheels against the French rather than the Australians, but there's no rivalry between France and Britain in cycling so why bother with an approach like that?

The most disappointing thing about Sky's doping is that they appear to have exclusive access to some substance that the rest of the peloton don't. I think if everybody was equally juiced I'd find it a little easier to bear their incredible success.

We don't care at all. Many comments on french websites are see are pro British, one thing you would find about the French is that we are quick to jump and support any team/country doing well (spain/barca in football, team sky in cycling) and act all superior to other french people supporting losing teams/countries/athletes.

All in all, what sky-fans need to realize is that this is not an "anti british"/jealous thin.
Although I have to say that if there is one thing I am truly disliking on the "British" level, it is the attitude and complete blindness of the British Media ( and people I guess but you can't really blame most of them when cycling is only picking up now ). That is only because I live in the UK though.

 

[spalco]

darwin, are you saying that Froome and Porte are believable and nothing extraordinary about their performance?

Of course their performances were extraordinary. Are they believable? To me they still are for now.

So many people knew this would happen, so why act surprised about it now? What's surprising is Evans and Contador cracking that hard, not Froome attacking and winning.

Umm. Look at the graph. Down the bottom there, almost in line with the 'Pro Conti' line is 'CF'- Chris Froome. That graph was Brailsford's assessment of the current and potential ability of his squad. Froome was, in Brailsford's opinion, around Pro Conti level at that time, but had a few years to grow. At the most, starting from that low, he would be an average World Tour rider. But he's far outstripped that and become the best World Tour rider around.

No it was not. It's the assessment of the journalist who wrote the article. Which is still a not-insignificant point since it shows what other people who are familiar with the sport thought about Froome before the Vuelta '11, but it's not the point you'd like it to be. The graph is very funny anyway, even without lying about it, so please don't.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Me, myself i am not surprised at all with froome or contador, i kind of expected it..that question was specifically for darwin.

 

[Winterfold]

(Brits French cycling Ashes WTF is that BS ?! Whoever posted that do run along to the Guardian cycling forum or somewhere else ignorance is power)

Sir Failsford is really taking the **** with his statements now, and with his little alien experiment have shat on a load of legends of UK cycling ( their own possible doping not withstanding ) I look forward to their unseemly demise because I found yesterday embarrassing .

 

[Museeuw]

Could someone, please, explain this "full ***" thing. Is it only used with Froome?

 

[thehog]

Could someone, please, explain this "full ***" thing. Is it only used with Froome?

Never go full ***.

 

[spalco]

Could someone, please, explain this "full ***" thing. Is it only used with Froome?

It comes from the movie "Tropic Thunder", which is very funny btw.

 

[Galic Ho]

Could someone, please, explain this "full ***" thing. Is it only used with Froome?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y3FzVQi-R8

Tropic Thunder. "You never go full ***!"

 

[Galic Ho]

Well we did try giving you a heads up!

You see when Paul Sherwin and Phil Liggett do muted commentary - then you know the gigs up.

And Froome, advise - stop looking down at your bowed knees as you are going to go head long into one of your delightful fans.

He was checking the powermeter. Can't go too high now can he? Wouldn't look good number wise!