Fearless Greg Lemond said:He is, and yet he made quite a big error in his calculation.
Yes but he also says that Vroome's performance was at the limit of what's humanly possible. You basically can't go faster than that.
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:He is, and yet he made quite a big error in his calculation.
BYOP88 said:No he's hails from behind the old iron curtain.
EnacheV said:so thats what is really all about?
buthurt south-europeans about not being no1 ?
sport history is full of this type of cycles. a simple look a football ECL winners list should help anyone understand, for example.
Pulpstar said:Article from Guardian newspaper from last year http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/jul/10/tour-mountains-science-of-sport - some choice quotes:
Slower tour times bring things back into the realms of expected physiology.
When a rider produces performances that have "alien" physiology implications, it's a strong flag for doping
The "abnormal" physiology of years gone by came from guys who were sustaining 6.4W/kg for 45 minutes. That points to a human that has a VO2max of 97 ml/kg/min on the bike, or an efficiency of 28%, or can sustain 95% of max for 45 min at the end of five hours of racing. That just doesn't happen.
Can't find doping article this year in the Grauniad ...
Pulpstar said:Article from Guardian newspaper from last year http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/jul/10/tour-mountains-science-of-sport - some choice quotes:
Slower tour times bring things back into the realms of expected physiology.
When a rider produces performances that have "alien" physiology implications, it's a strong flag for doping
The "abnormal" physiology of years gone by came from guys who were sustaining 6.4W/kg for 45 minutes. That points to a human that has a VO2max of 97 ml/kg/min on the bike, or an efficiency of 28%, or can sustain 95% of max for 45 min at the end of five hours of racing. That just doesn't happen.
Can't find doping article this year in the Grauniad ...
Chris Froome, when coming second in the 2011 Vuelta TT (47km) rode at 5.8 W/kg for 55 minutes. That's likely to be close to what he and Wiggins produced in the Tour today, and is yet another indication of where the "ceiling" for that duration of effort lies.
ChewbaccaD said:Sally Jenkins' ethics and legitimacy rose from her body a few months ago, and flew to the UK. They're welcome to it.
thehog said:Famous last words!
BigBoat said:We should keep a list of users who are now arguing that SKY are clean and have nothing to hide. If or when Froome is busted, I bet many of them we'll be the one's arguing that everybody's doped equally and all is always fair.
I here that they want to pass data to some doctor or trainer on a current top team (who is payed by them?). Sounds abit compromised to me...
ChewbaccaD said:They'll be just like Armstrong fanboys; they'll just disappear, never to be heard from again.
‏ said:@Vaughters don't mean to bum you out again but 6.5 w/kg for an our is the new top rung
Jeroen Swart said:.@veloclinic @vaughters Hunter has clearly been smoking from the wrong side of the pipe. And I have plenty data from the very highest level.
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Hunter Allan said:Froome is clean. Get over it people. 6.5w/kg for an hour is the new top rung on the Power Profile. And guess what, he’] and he’s telling the truth too when he says his FTP is between 440-460.
Vuelta Stage 10 Time Trial
Monday, August 29, 2011
by Chris Froome
Vuelt a Espana 2011 Stage 10: Salamanca 47km Stage Results: 1.Tony Martin (Ger) HTC-Highroad.0:55:54. 2.Christopher Froome (GBr) Team Sky.0:00:59.
Power (Watts): avg 405
the sceptic said:I wonder why Brailsford allowed Dawg off the leash this tour
Would have been much smarter to just let him ride on the old human limit
But now they have to make up all these hillarious stories that not even jimmyvickers would believe in
"Seeing the results was quite mind-blowing"
red_flanders said:If you watch this video the Dawg himself seems surprised at how full his retardation really was on Ax3.
Indeed, Dawg, indeed.
In an article for Le Monde earlier this week, for instance, former Festina trainer Antoine Vayer estimated that Froome produced an average power output of 446 watts on the final climb to Ax 3 Domaines on Saturday, but the yellow jersey dismissed the figures when they were put to him during his press conference after stage 12 to Tours.
"I don't think it's humanly possible to average 440 watts for a whole stage so that's out of the question. That's far, far from what I think is possible," said Froome.
thehog said:I think his deflection of Vayer
440w for the whole stage?
red_flanders said:The vid is just his reflections the day after Ax3, he's not referring to Vayer, he's just relating his surprise at how far beyond everyone else he really is.
In an article for Le Monde earlier this week, for instance, former Festina trainer Antoine Vayer estimated that Froome produced an average power output of 446 watts on the final climb to Ax 3 Domaines on Saturday, but the yellow jersey dismissed the figures when they were put to him during his press conference after stage 12 to Tours.
"I don't think it's humanly possible to average 440 watts for a whole stage so that's out of the question. That's far, far from what I think is possible," said Froome.
thehog said:
red_flanders said:Yep–read it before you posted as well. Just didn't see what it had to do with the vid. Maybe nothing, just asking because you quoted it. Sorry, not following. Thx!
pmcg76 said:Well its only a few years since Allen was selling his coaching prowess in cycling magazines, his top clients at the time were Dan Lloyd & Dan Fleeman. Maybe his clientele has expanded and improved since then but I don't think he is coaching too many big hitters.