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sprenten said:
Just the facts, that is all I want. A couple of 10-15s digs of 600-800 watts by Valverde and Quintana were not going to make a difference. Quintana's effort the previous day is the one that should have raised the most suspicion with near record Pailheres effort and then top 80 all time Bonascre. Ventoux, the 2nd TT, and Le Alpe are going paint a different picture than the first 11 stages painted and if they don't then Froome has some pretty suspicious efforts that span a period of time which a human is likely to hold while racing, he can hold his fitness up Ventoux, but it is out of the question that he holds it up Le' Alpe 2x, Glandon, and Madeleine without suffering from sort of fatigue. That is where I become a Froome non-believer.
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Sprenten, all I can say is that you should revisit the tours of Indurain and Armstrong for your answer. But I get you now. You will give the benefit of the doubt to Froome but it may be that when he is finally fatigued the others will be in a state of near collapse. Even if he fatigues like the other riders, his level is obviously much higher right now and he has more in reserve. He has no challengers as of "today". Maybe that changes but Valverde and Contador's comments are telling, and they both know a thing or two about "enhancement". My opinion is that he can ride within himself and simply follow the baseline efforts of others, unless they have a "halftime recharge", then we can see if Froome can be pushed to his limits. But then we are back to the syllogism of "clean" Froome beating doped riders.
 
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No_Balls said:
It has reached the point where it is not so much Froome as it is Sky and Britain. Their code of honour is at stake. The script is all out where the good ol lads has risen to the top thanks to the ever so hard working McQuaid to get rid of the doping problem. The propaganda machine is in full swing about the holy clean crusade. The sport had problem, but the anglosaxons did it, and finally they are allowed to show the world how good them are when everyone is supposed to be clean. This is a patriotic Cinderella-story and the next chapter in cycling (with the possibility of a Bilharzia twist) after the boy who survived cancer and became a GT-rider.

Jingoistic people needs miracles they can believe in.
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The Hitch said:
So froome adressed Vayer? Bad bad news.

Means he now knows not to go full out. will soft pedal the climbs and point to them as proof that he got tired and is clean.
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Im not worried. If they wanted to be subtle they could have done it like Sir BMW last year. There was no need for Dawg to go full *** on ax3 or in the ITT but he still did it.

His ego is just too big to let anyone else win a MTF or to not attack (I hope)
 
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The media make as much profit out of doping as the riders, if not more.

I was furious to see in some article in some mainstream paper they go - " a sign that cycling is clean now is the fact that those paid to be sceptical also believe" followed by some rent a journo saying that the times are slower and the riders say they are clean so it must be clean.
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Sally Jenkins' ethics and legitimacy rose from her body a few months ago, and flew to the UK. They're welcome to it.
 
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But he didn't dismiss anything. He was playing the fool and twisted the truth by saying it's impossible to maintain 430W during a whope stage.
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Of course Sky could kill this talk of Froome doping by releasing his data to an independent and we would know for sure. :rolleyes:

I mean Vayer is just some pseudo scientist who is in the sport 30 years, what would he know?
 
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Froome was a decent time-trialist. Plenty of decent time-trialist can pull a top-10 or top-15 ITT in a GT (I'm talking about guys like Barredo or Gilbert here). Since he was only 23 at the time, I'd say that yes, that was a sign that he had some talent for ITTs.

But that was almost a one-off thing. His best race pre-Vuelta was 2011 Romandie, and he was nowhere in the ITTs.
 
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sprenten said:
... it is out of the question that he holds it up Le' Alpe 2x, Glandon, and Madeleine without suffering from sort of fatigue. That is where I become a Froome non-believer.
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Just so I understand, let's imagine a scenario where Froome doesn't go off the chain, again, pedaling in with GC 2nd/3rd on the mountain stages, then busts off another 2nd on a TT. Froome's within human limits? It's an honest question.

I agree there are probably a few other suspicious performances this edition. It's just that Froome/Porte has stolen their thunder!
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
LMFAO. A year later at the 2009 Giro, Froome rocked 34th place, over 5 minutes behind the winner.
33rd in the second TT.
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Uh uh, he already had the badzilla in those days. Not in 2008, when he rocked on the Alpe d'Huez stage and forgot to gel up, and in that incredible TT. In 2009 the badzilla raped the boy.

He will crack.

Almost feel sorry for the boy. A tool for team slick.
 
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Benotti69 said:
Of course Sky could kill this talk of Froome doping by releasing his data to an independent and we would know for sure. :rolleyes:

I mean Vayer is just some pseudo scientist who is in the sport 30 years, what would he know?
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Grappe is a specialist with FDJ

There's no way based on that performance you can say it was the result of a doped rider, you cannot assert that. However, what you can say is that Froome's performance on the climb to Ax 3 Domaines was of a very, very high quality, close to what we would expect to see near the limit of what is possible. It's hard to see anyone capable of going much faster - as far as I am concerned we are very near the limit of what is humanly possible, but what Froome did is physiologically explainable.
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Moose McKnuckles said:
No_Balls nailed that, as Chewie said.

Anglos conquered the cycling world through marginal gains, training, wearing jackets, and warming down.

You know, techniques nobody knew about before them. :rolleyes:
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so thats what is really all about?

buthurt south-europeans about not being no1 ?

sport history is full of this type of cycles. a simple look a football ECL winners list should help anyone understand, for example.
 
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