Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[maxmartin]

For the record (and you can look this up on Weather Underground or whatever favorite weather site you frequent)...

The wind was almost directly out of the north at 15-20 km/h:

Weather Underground 14 July Orange, France

I am not sure how that plays out on the road as the route took them WNW up to the summit.

edit: My guess is that they were mostly shielded from the wind as the ridgeline was to their north. It may have been a slight cross/head wind in areas where they were exposed.

Again, my guess is there is no way they would have a tail wind over the last ~10K unless there was some crazy swirling effect around Mt. Ventoux.

thumbs up for the truth

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Funny, others say Froome performed like Armstrong in 2002...

That won't bother BPC as he loves every ride Armstrong did, so Froome equaling him merely gives him someone else to troll about.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

BPC, banned like 30 times, has returned to pollute another thread.

 

[Racelap]

Maybe what they mean is that Froome has Tailwind Sports behind him.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

That won't bother BPC as he loves every ride Armstrong did, so Froome equaling him merely gives him someone else to troll about.

This. In case anyone here does not know who Mont Ventoux is.

 

[Grayguard]

That won't bother BPC as he loves every ride Armstrong did, so Froome equaling him merely gives him someone else to troll about.

So you say "Mont Vonteux" is a known poster by the name of BPC?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

So you say "Mont Vonteux" is a known poster by the name of BPC?

Oh, I'm almost certain of it.

 

[Mont Vonteux]

Again, my guess is there is no way they would have a tail wind over the last ~10K unless there was some crazy swirling effect around Mt. Ventoux.

Well done for looking it up, but you're dead right you get huge swirling effects around mountains. I hate wind so I'm always looking it up before a ride. A slight incline in a certain direction can dramatically change where its coming. Around mountains you get howling changes to where the wind is going regionally.

As you can see from the pictures, huge tail wind up there today. Much easier to attack in those conditions.

 

[Grayguard]

Oh, I'm almost certain of it.

Thanks for the heads up in that case.

 

[delbified]

Even the worlds formost authority on pro cycling and not doping, Mr. (he looked me in the eyes and said he wouldn't dope) Phil Liggett said it was a head to cross wind until the last righthand turn with a couple hundred meters to go.

Greg Henderson ‏@Greghenderson1
Tailwind up the whole climb helped my watts per kilo guys so don't go getting too impressed by my time up Ventoux.

 

[vecchias]

Yeah I agree, I mean even if Portal doesn't have the data to hand, I'm sure someone working for Sky can get the info to Portal quickly. Didn't Johan phone the good doctor during a stage to see if Il Pirata could sustain his effort after he attacked during a stage of the 2000 TdF and USPS reacted to the info from the good Doctor. So Froome could've been told to slow it down, if he was going to cross any line.

Indeed, perfect example. And I'm sure they have studied the climb inch by inch. So it shouldn't be that hard to tell the estimate time gap for Portal, given that he knows on what km Froome and Quintana are on. I mean maybe it is not even necessary to have an "outside man" to provide Portal with extra info.

Anyways, details All in all, the more I think, the more this thought becomes possible.

 

[timbo25]

Maybe some of you need to take a look at the bigger picture, about the last 3 years of Froome, the amazing progress.
Or that he won everything else this year, at least Armstrong kept a low profile the majority of the season to focus on TDF, but this Froome guy only knows the on or off switch!

Like an Alien

 

[doolols]

This thread is hilarious.

Froome would be talking to Portal, not Brailsford. He was not talking all the time, he would be checking the gaps to following riders at various points. And he was having difficulty hearing information (witness at least two times, he had his finger in his ear, trying to drown out the noise of the crowds).

Of course he braked when the motos slowed up. What do you expect him to do - run into the back of them? TV coverage showed a veritable traffic jam of motorbikes at one point. We even saw one moto run into the back of another one.

The screenshot posted earlier clearly shows a tailwind at least at one point on the climb, despite 'evidence' from other sources.

What's the point in selecting different sections of the climb to compare to previous? Is it just to provide evidence to biased opinion? Bike technology, training techniques, road conditions, weather conditions, team makeup, rider physiology ... these and many other factors have an influence on how quickly a rider climbs a hill. Just because a rider's quick, doesn't *automatically mean* he's doping.

Look at Froome's body shape. He has skinny arms, skinny lower legs, and huge (in comparison) thighs. Just right for climbing hills.

There will be no UCI deal, not with Cookson going head to head with Pat. Pat will be desperate to find something to pin on Sky, British Cycling, and Cookson.

But I'll let you rant on, with no evidence, no insider leaks, no test positives. It's obvious he's doping. Why? Well, because it's obvious, of course

 

[simo1733]

I always wondered why riders don't just speak their mind after doping confessions, theres nothing left for him to lose so why not question the legitimacy of the Sky team?

Maybe he is a Sky fanboy.Why not

 

[Grayguard]

This thread is hilarious.

Froome would be talking to Portal, not Brailsford. He was not talking all the time, he would be checking the gaps to following riders at various points. And he was having difficulty hearing information (witness at least two times, he had his finger in his ear, trying to drown out the noise of the crowds).

Of course he braked when the motos slowed up. What do you expect him to do - run into the back of them? TV coverage showed a veritable traffic jam of motorbikes at one point. We even saw one moto run into the back of another one.

The screenshot posted earlier clearly shows a tailwind at least at one point on the climb, despite 'evidence' from other sources.

What's the point in selecting different sections of the climb to compare to previous? Is it just to provide evidence to biased opinion? Bike technology, training techniques, road conditions, weather conditions, team makeup, rider physiology ... these and many other factors have an influence on how quickly a rider climbs a hill. Just because a rider's quick, doesn't *automatically mean* he's doping.

Look at Froome's body shape. He has skinny arms, skinny lower legs, and huge (in comparison) thighs. Just right for climbing hills.

There will be no UCI deal, not with Cookson going head to head with Pat. Pat will be desperate to find something to pin on Sky, British Cycling, and Cookson.

But I'll let you rant on, with no evidence, no insider leaks, no test positives. It's obvious he's doping. Why? Well, because it's obvious, of course

And his/Sky's excuses are VERY similar to US Postal et al. But ofcourse we are to belive HIM. Sorry, not gonna happen. I believed in Riis, Armstrong and others - now I belive in noone who shows inhuman performances like today.

 

[Boeing]

That is good enough for me and it should be for everyone.
Greg is giving Chris the respect he is due. Hats off to both.

What is he supposed to do? He is a guest representing the tour

 

[Zweistein]

But I'll let you rant on, with no evidence, no insider leaks, no test positives. It's obvious he's doping. Why? Well, because it's obvious, of course

No, inside leaks? How about their team doctor from 2011-2012 getting fingered for doping teams.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-leinders-to-face-criminal-investigation


But that is just a coincidence right that riders just magically get much much better when they ride with sky.

 

[timbo25]

This thread is hilarious.

Froome would be talking to Portal, not Brailsford. He was not talking all the time, he would be checking the gaps to following riders at various points. And he was having difficulty hearing information (witness at least two times, he had his finger in his ear, trying to drown out the noise of the crowds).

Of course he braked when the motos slowed up. What do you expect him to do - run into the back of them? TV coverage showed a veritable traffic jam of motorbikes at one point. We even saw one moto run into the back of another one.

The screenshot posted earlier clearly shows a tailwind at least at one point on the climb, despite 'evidence' from other sources.

What's the point in selecting different sections of the climb to compare to previous? Is it just to provide evidence to biased opinion? Bike technology, training techniques, road conditions, weather conditions, team makeup, rider physiology ... these and many other factors have an influence on how quickly a rider climbs a hill. Just because a rider's quick, doesn't *automatically mean* he's doping.

Look at Froome's body shape. He has skinny arms, skinny lower legs, and huge (in comparison) thighs. Just right for climbing hills.

There will be no UCI deal, not with Cookson going head to head with Pat. Pat will be desperate to find something to pin on Sky, British Cycling, and Cookson.

But I'll let you rant on, with no evidence, no insider leaks, no test positives. It's obvious he's doping. Why? Well, because it's obvious, of course

you are right, everybody is forgetting that 220 km at a 50km per hour murdering page with 3&4 colls in it before they took on the MV with an Alien page.
from head till tow fully doped, but with 7 TUE's

 

[ChewbaccaD]

This thread is hilarious.

Froome would be talking to Portal, not Brailsford. He was not talking all the time, he would be checking the gaps to following riders at various points. And he was having difficulty hearing information (witness at least two times, he had his finger in his ear, trying to drown out the noise of the crowds).

Of course he braked when the motos slowed up. What do you expect him to do - run into the back of them? TV coverage showed a veritable traffic jam of motorbikes at one point. We even saw one moto run into the back of another one.

The screenshot posted earlier clearly shows a tailwind at least at one point on the climb, despite 'evidence' from other sources.

What's the point in selecting different sections of the climb to compare to previous? Is it just to provide evidence to biased opinion? Bike technology, training techniques, road conditions, weather conditions, team makeup, rider physiology ... these and many other factors have an influence on how quickly a rider climbs a hill. Just because a rider's quick, doesn't *automatically mean* he's doping.

Look at Froome's body shape. He has skinny arms, skinny lower legs, and huge (in comparison) thighs. Just right for climbing hills.

There will be no UCI deal, not with Cookson going head to head with Pat. Pat will be desperate to find something to pin on Sky, British Cycling, and Cookson.

But I'll let you rant on, with no evidence, no insider leaks, no test positives. It's obvious he's doping. Why? Well, because it's obvious, of course

Um, until Landis threw a hand grenade, the same could be said for UK..I mean US Postal.

You forgot to refer to the positive facts that support Armstr....sorry Froome not doping: High cadence, enormous heart, being winner of Jimmy's BBQ and TT 2009, coming in 4th on the 1st stage of the Froome Family Reunion 2008, he British (sort of) and they don't dope because that would be a PR nightmare for Sky, he had a rare disease that hid his brilliance,....well, I'm sure you can come up with several more...

 

[Mont Vonteux]

I note LeMond has given Froome his backing. Good to see.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lemond-there-can-be-spectacular-performances-without-doping

 

[Spider1964]

Ok, so an additional 77 pages to browse through since I last logged on 2 days ago!!!

What's happened? Has the Froome Dawg gone full ***?

 

[Grayguard]

I note LeMond has given Froome his backing. Good to see.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lemond-there-can-be-spectacular-performances-without-doping

So you think LeMond rode clean in 86, 89, and 90? Would be impressive, since everyone else seemed to dope in those years....

 

[the sceptic]

nice tailwind they got going there

 

[Mont Vonteux]

"Sky reminds me of my old Renault-Elf team." - LeMond.

 

[sittingbison]

Everyone, please stop quoting acoggan on this thread.

acoggan, please refrain from posting on this thread again unless it is specifically about Froome.

I will be moving the entire off topic acoggan convo out of this thread when I have a spare couple of hours.

Cheers
Bison