Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Frosty]

riblin started with 8 minutes and fiinioshed with 2 minutes on quintana

I think they were closer by the bottom of the climb. Maybe 6 minutes behind. Still a great effort after spending so long in the break.

 

[hrotha]

riblin started with 8 minutes and fiinioshed with 2 minutes on quintana

He's talking about the first climb in that post...

 

[Alphabet]

riblin started with 8 minutes and fiinioshed with 2 minutes on quintana

I was talking about the first climb. They hardly pulled back time at all- Tejay started the second climb with like, 7 minutes on the peloton, meaning they'd pulled back just 1 minute from the first ascent and then the descent.

 

[whittashau]

lol @ thinking this issue was food related. you've obviously never been on a bike. a hungerlfat you lose many minutes, not just 1 minute over 5 km. he simply rode in the red way too long trying to follow quintana's counter after purito and he blew. in complete panick mode he screams for food in his radio, which didn't help

Well, I did actually think to myself that hunger-flats typically are more catastrophic. I was more going on what Porte said and about how allegedly the Sky car broke down. The irony is that I don't typically believe a word Sky say and believe they're fundamentally dirty.

of course your perspective does seem a little biased considering your passion for all Colombian midgets

I would like to add though, I believe Froome would have typically beaten Quintana by a minute or two in those final 5k. Add that to the minute he lost and then that total is close to your view on what the typical hunger-knock would do...

 

[ChewbaccaD]

lol @ thinking this issue was food related. you've obviously never been on a bike. a hungerlfat you lose many minutes, not just 1 minute over 5 km. he simply rode in the red way too long trying to follow quintana's counter after purito and he blew. in complete panick mode he screams for food in his radio, which didn't help

Yea, he only took the food because he was panicked?...

 

[Roude Leiw]

As its impossible to prove a negative this tedious thread will inevitably continue until we've all died of old age

It is actually quite simple, at least for myself. Froome went from an also ran to a GT contender more or less overnight, hence the suspicion. Now sky releases data, which is a fantastic step in the right direction, BUT, they release data starting at the moment he has his breakthrough performance which is consistent then fro there onward.

Now what i would like to understand is how he got there.

Why does he get the scutiny (mostly) >> because he wears yellow and won most of the races he starts in in the last 2 years

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

So, to recap, Froome, who supposedly has a hunger knock, is a minute faster than Herrera in 1987, on a much, much, much harder course? On the day he is 'cleared' by Fred Grappe?

Yep.

Totally believable.

At least Riblon made it look nice today!

 

[Alphabet]

Hitch nailed it up-thread. It doesn't matter if Froome cracks tomorrow and loses 3 hours, it won't change the fact that up until this stage, his dominance has been superhuman.

 

[roundabout]

Yea, he only took the food because he was panicked?...

He decided to give everyone 20 seconds just for the fun of it.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

lol @ thinking this issue was food related. you've obviously never been on a bike. a hungerlfat you lose many minutes, not just 1 minute over 5 km. he simply rode in the red way too long trying to follow quintana's counter after purito and he blew. in complete panick mode he screams for food in his radio, which didn't help

Good point Ryo, and the real observation of today. Having a hunger knock and loose just one minute? Uh uh. You will crawl up the Alpe.

Sky also have the fastest sugars it seems.

Comedia del Arte, big time.

 

[Bakhjulet]

Hitch nailed it up-thread. It doesn't matter if Froome cracks tomorrow and loses 3 hours, it won't change the fact that up until this stage, his dominance has been superhuman.

You are right it won't change the quality of his earlier performances, but it shows that he can't keep up his superhuman performances for 3 weeks, so therefore he in some sense becomes less superhuman than he could have been.

 

[Frosty]

Good point Ryo, and the real observation of today. Having a hunger knock and loose just one minute? Uh uh. You will crawl up the Alpe.

Sky also have the fastest sugars it seems.

Comedia del Arte, big time.

Armstrong once supposedly bonked on the Joux Plane after chasing Pantani but he didnt lose that much in the end (a minute or so)? Given how people expected Froome to be going off the front maybe -1 minute isnt -1 minute from where he should have been but -2 minutes, -3 minutes?

 

[roundabout]

Armstrong once supposedly bonked on the Joux Plane after chasing Pantani but he didnt lose that much in the end (a minute or so)? Given how people expected Froome to be going off the front maybe -1 minute isnt -1 minute from where he should have been but -2 minutes, -3 minutes?

Armstrong lost 2 minutes.

 

[Ferminal]

What about when Mayo crushed him?

 

[Raiko200]

At least Riblon made it look nice today!

Actually it looked a little mutanty to me. I mean, he crossed the finish line smiling and not even gasping for breath. And that attack on Van Garderen near the end, wow. Not sure about that. If that had been Froome instead of Riblon I think the perspective would have been different.

 

[red_flanders]

The predictions were out by 3 minutes, or nearly 8%. This proves that the posters making the predictions are either clueless, wind-up-merchants or so lost in their dislike of Froome that they've lost all objectivity.?

I think that's a bit silly. No one has a crystal ball. If someone was predicting 39 minutes, it has no bearing on the performances of Froome in the books.

What he's done so far is ample reason for strong suspicion. So he had a slightly off day. He still put time into his competitors after a long stage. He has "bad days" like Armstrong had "bad days". Bad day being he didn't annihilate everyone.

Not normal.

 

[roundabout]

His brake was rubbing.

 

[Lanark]

What about when Mayo crushed him?

Did 41.21 on the Alpe that time. Clearly clean.

 

[DirtyWorks]

...they release data starting at the moment he has his breakthrough performance which is consistent then fro there onward.

Now what i would like to understand is how he got there.

Haha! Awesome. Sky transparency FTW! ! ! Nothing to see here.

Why does he get the scutiny (mostly) >> because he wears yellow and won most of the races he starts in in the last 2 years

More to the point, the guy has zero lower classification results to begin to explain his peloton crushing performances over 20+ months.

 

[58teeth]

His brake was rubbing.

That made me laugh out loud!!!

 

[Ruby United]

He decided to give everyone 20 seconds just for the fun of it.

But how did he know it would be 20 seconds?

It could have been a disqualification for all he knew?
Of course extremely unlikely if not impossible, but the point remains that it was not worth the risk.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Armstrong once supposedly bonked on the Joux Plane after chasing Pantani but he didnt lose that much in the end (a minute or so)? Given how people expected Froome to be going off the front maybe -1 minute isnt -1 minute from where he should have been but -2 minutes, -3 minutes?

So the Froomster even bonks better than the pharmstrong?

I am sorry u dont believe in miracles.

 

[DirtyWorks]

You are right it won't change the quality of his earlier performances, but it shows that he can't keep up his superhuman performances for 3 weeks, so therefore he in some sense becomes less superhuman than he could have been.

Historically, yes he can keep up this performance for more than three weeks actually. It's one of Sky's very, very, very, very unique traits that defies human-scale performance. And even today was super-human until he had some difficulty on the final climb.

 

[hrotha]

But how did he know it would be 20 seconds?

It could have been a disqualification for all he knew?
Of course extremely unlikely if not impossible, but the point remains that it was not worth the risk.

DQ? No. There's plenty of precedent for this.

 

[lemoogle]

Actually it looked a little mutanty to me. I mean, he crossed the finish line smiling and not even gasping for breath. And that attack on Van Garderen near the end, wow. Not sure about that. If that had been Froome instead of Riblon I think the perspective would have been different.

You realise Riblon lost loads of time on the final climb to the main guys? even Mollema climbed faster. Did you not see Tejay's pedalling as riblon got past him? Tejay was cooked bad

On that note, while the Brits will never doubt their athletes, the french go too far: half the comments on lequipe are how AG2R is doped, it was the same last time europcar won a stage.