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[DirtyWorks]

UK Antidoping I think. How far do you think where he is staying is from the nearest testing lab?

I'm sure that British Cycling with their close ties to Sky are comprehensively testing the shiniest turd in world cycling.

Why would BC do anything with a positive test when they run Sky?

My understanding of the WADA documentation is in this case the "anti-doping authority" could be his "home" federation wherever his license was issued, the UCI. Maybe UKAD could test, but I don't see how they have authority to do so for a rider I'm presuming is licensed in South Africa.

This idea that Sky is some super-scientific-super-discipline organization needs to die already. Sunscreen!!!

 

[BroDeal]

Look at the size of that testosterone patch.

 

[DirtyWorks]

IIRC The OOC test that Horner 'missed' just after the Vuelta was not done by USADA, but by the Spanish agency as he was in Spain

Basically if an athlete has any kind of doping infraction, it is processed through the athletes home NADO. This solves the problem of which laws apply when an athlete from country X has an infraction in country Y.

 

[Franklin]

Why would BC do anything with a positive test when they run Sky?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Brittish Cycling does not equal UKAD as far as I understand.

So the argument should be "We don't believe UKAD will do anything with a positive of a Sky cyclist". Because if UKAD would publish a positive, certainly Brittish Cycling will act... not because they are pure and worthy... but because they probably have little choice.

This seems a bit risky though... somehow you would think there would be some integer persons at UKAD and if that leaks.... well suffice to say heads would roll. It's definitely not unheard of(see Lancegate), but it's a different ballgame nowadays with more pressure from the outside and a UCI that has changed directors.

If I were "evil" DB I would simply not take such a risk and try it the good ole fashioned way (hide/microdose/bribe 1-2 key people so you hget early warning). Seems a tad more controlable than counting on the good will of whole UKAD. But as I said, it happened before, so it's not as ridiculous as it should be

My understanding of the WADA documentation is in this case the "anti-doping authority" could be his "home" federation wherever his license was issued, the UCI. Maybe UKAD could test, but I don't see how they have authority to do so for a rider I'm presuming is licensed in South Africa.

Is the antidoping authority the Cycling Union or a separate entity? or does that differ per every country?

This idea that Sky is some super-scientific-super-discipline organization needs to die already. Sunscreen!!!

If that's bothering you:

Riding up a huge mountain a few 1000 times is still making my head burst. It's absolutely squarely against any acceptable modern training method. The attrition on your muscles would be offsetting any potential gain (and there would be little of that to begin with). It's so far out there that either it's complete nonsense or they indeed used every pharmaceutical helper to recover. And even then it would be an idiotic (archaic!)training method.

 

[Franklin]

Look at the size of that testosterone patch.

I'd say you'd use a testosterone patch after the ride, not during the ride, but who knows

It's interesting for sure, as it certainly looks like some kind of patch.

 

[hrotha]

It was a joke. That's the radio.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Brittish Cycling does not equal UKAD as far as I understand.

It depends on the "anti doping authority."

If BC is the "anti doping authority" then BC has the authority to ignore positives. Also, we know if BC somehow *has* to test Sky riders, then well, funny how they might get advanced notice considering BC and Sky are the same organization. This was one of the anecdotes from Armstrong where USA Cycling and USPS were the same organization.

If UKAD was the "anti doping authority" then they would apply BC's anti-doping rules. But the athlete needs to be a UK citizen in order for that to work.

Lots and lots of opportunities to never test positive!

But please, don't take my word for it and go read WADA's standards. They are very well written.

 

[pancakes]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Brittish Cycling does not equal UKAD as far as I understand.

So the argument should be "We don't believe UKAD will do anything with a positive of a Sky cyclist". Because if UKAD would publish a positive, certainly Brittish Cycling will act... not because they are pure and worthy... but because they probably have little choice.

This seems a bit risky though... somehow you would think there would be some integer persons at UKAD and if that leaks.... well suffice to say heads would roll. It's definitely not unheard of(see Lancegate), but it's a different ballgame nowadays with more pressure from the outside and a UCI that has changed directors.

If I were "evil" DB I would simply not take such a risk and try it the good ole fashioned way (hide/microdose/bribe 1-2 key people so you hget early warning). Seems a tad more controlable than counting on the good will of whole UKAD. But as I said, it happened before, so it's not as ridiculous as it should be



Is the antidoping authority the Cycling Union or a separate entity? or does that differ per every country?


If that's bothering you:

Riding up a huge mountain a few 1000 times is still making my head burst. It's absolutely squarely against any acceptable modern training method. The attrition on your muscles would be offsetting any potential gain (and there would be little of that to begin with). It's so far out there that either it's complete nonsense or they indeed used every pharmaceutical helper to recover. And even then it would be an idiotic (archaic!)training method.

Emma Pooley appointed to UKAD Athlete Committee Sept 2013? BC to the core.

 

[Franklin]

It was a joke. That's the radio.

Is it? Seems odd? Would that be so tight that it leaves such a perfect square over curved piece of his body? And isn't that quite sizable? In my naivity I'd guess such a thing would be the size of a smartphone or smaller?

I never wore one so I'll yield to someone with more expertise on the area of radio's

 

[Franklin]

Emma Pooley appointed to UKAD Athlete Committee Sept 2013? BC to the core.

I certainly believe there are corruptable people at any Anti-doping agency, but wouldn't need to bribe a lot of key people. The risk of either a test slipping through in the hands of the last guy with morals or the bribing itself coming to light... Wouldn't a smaller more targeted bribing action be much safer and almost as effective?

It's possible for sure, but I'm not convinced.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I certainly believe there are corruptable people at any Anti-doping agency, but wouldn't need to bribe a lot of key people. The risk of either a test slipping through in the hands of the last guy with morals or the bribing itself coming to light... Wouldn't a smaller more targeted bribing action be much safer and almost as effective?

It's possible for sure, but I'm not convinced.

You are missing my earlier point. No compromises of UKAD needed. There many other, much easier, ways to never test positive.

Besides, UKAD is not a likely testing authority for Froome.

 

[proffate]

It was a joke. That's the radio.

He wasn't even racing, it happened during training. It looks too big to be a radio to me, don't radios usually go in special pockets anyway rather than needing an elastic strap?

edit: is that part of the kit? i.e. the shadow of the pocket for the radio?

 

[Pandora]

He wasn't even racing, it happened during training. It looks too big to be a radio to me, don't radios usually go in special pockets anyway rather than needing an elastic strap?

edit: is that part of the kit? i.e. the shadow of the pocket for the radio?

Here is your answer - everything explained by Froomie's room-mate personally after today's Tour Down Under stage:

"This result is more than I hoped for. It was a very stressful day with crosswinds but I had my team doing an incredible work for me. Ian Stannard, Bernhard Eisel, Luke Rowe, the Classics' guys… I just had to sit in their back pocket all day."

 

[darwin553]

Here is your answer - everything explained by Froomie's room-mate personally after today's Tour Down Under stage:

"This result is more than I hoped for. It was a very stressful day with crosswinds but I had my team doing an incredible work for me. Ian Stannard, Bernhard Eisel, Luke Rowe, the Classics' guys… I just had to sit in their back pocket all day."

Signs of a good team

 

[Granville57]

Look at the size of that testosterone patch.

You mean the red part, right?

 

[hrotha]

Is it? Seems odd? Would that be so tight that it leaves such a perfect square over curved piece of his body? And isn't that quite sizable? In my naivity I'd guess such a thing would be the size of a smartphone or smaller?

I never wore one so I'll yield to someone with more expertise on the area of radio's

To be honest I'm making a wild guess and wording it a certain way to sound super confident.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Yes, it is a pocket for the radio.

The other part is his heart-rate monitor strap, I assume.

 

[Franklin]

Yes, it is a pocket for the radio.

The other part is his heart-rate monitor strap, I assume.

Ahhhh it's the pocket, not the radio itself. It was likely empty too at that ride. that's double the cloth, so no sunburn! And the strap would indeed be his HR monitor. Well that clears it up. I didn't expect something shocking just puzzled about the patern

Too bad it's a complete falure as a shirt.

 

[Ferminal]

Where have you read of this theory being incorrect?

Well the theory is of course correct but it doesn't produce any positives. Either it doesn't stack up, the timing is bad, or you can just pretend it was altitude.

 

[bobbins]

They should have kept the white back. I guess Raphas insistence that they have cold black material won them over!

The white back idea was taken from one of skys cycling consultants who rapha fell out with so no surprise that went.

 

[nomapnocompass]

What is the point in a mesh back if you then have to smother your entire back in sun screen!? Although most modern sunscreens don't block the pores as much as the old thicker sun screens it is still pointless. Go for a slightly tighter weaved UV-resistant wicking material in white and you have a much better solution. No sun screen, better breathability.

This is laughable. It would be rather awesome if Sky riders had to pull out of a race with sun stroke.

 

[SundayRider]

Ahhh yes. "Great idea", putting sunscreen under a shirt....

1. They get sprayed by fans
2. They sweat
3. They spray themselves
4. Their could be a little rain even on a very hot day
5. Sun cream usually needs to be reapplied after 2-3 hours
6. but you can't reapply during course unless you take of you jersey...
7. It probably feels nice to have a sweaty goo on your back
8. It's blocking your pores (must be even more fantastic when going all out... your body will love the gunk blocking the exhausts).

Oh well, let's chalk this one up under the "we need to protect the sponsor".

Only me that has put sunscreen under my jersey on really hot days then?

 

[Franklin]

Only me that has put sunscreen under my jersey on really hot days then?

Are you regularly sprayed by fans?
Do your rides last 5 hours or more?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

What is the point in a mesh back if you then have to smother your entire back in sun screen!? Although most modern sunscreens don't block the pores as much as the old thicker sun screens it is still pointless. Go for a slightly tighter weaved UV-resistant wicking material in white and you have a much better solution. No sun screen, better breathability.

This is laughable. It would be rather awesome if Sky riders had to pull out of a race with sun stroke.

Marginal gains are all about calculated risk.

Increase in output due to lighter weight with same power due to thinner fabric + additional % of work before overheating > Risk of decrease in cycling prowess due to contracting skin cancer.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Getting reliable sleep with sunburn that bad is close to 0 without some significant "help".

Sky have dropped the ball and then tripped over it with this one.