Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[the sceptic]

Antoine VAYER ‏@festinaboy

Froome's power output ~6.70 W/kg at Oman Tour, 9 mn for "GREEN mountain's" It's a ****ing RED ridiculous performance. Bull****, joke.

good to see someone calling it as it is.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSks1PNIMxs

just thinking this…

the two skinniest guys in the peloton??

Vroome….

just had to add…I can't stand to see him crab up the hill on a bike like he does…
sorry

Like an hyperactive octopus giving a reach-around: industrially effective.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Anyone know Gesink's time from 2011 for comparison to 2014?




Edit:

Found it:
#Gazzetta In 2011, @RGUpdate Robert Gesink did Green Mountain in 20'29" and he won. Today, he did 19'20" and arrived fifth

https://twitter.com/cirogazzetta/status/437247949404254208

lol at 5% time improvement. That ol' 5% improvement chestnut, what a ripper!

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Like an hyperactive octopus giving a reach-around: industrially effective.

Sounds like you'd get your d!ck ripped off to me.

 

[will10]

Antoine VAYER ‏@festinaboy 3h
Froome's power output ~6.70 W/kg at Oman Tour, 9 mn for "GREEN mountain's" It's a ****ing RED ridiculous performance. Bull****, joke.


Antoine VAYER ‏@festinaboy 3h
18 mn 34 sec for that "Green Moutain" . Who is idiot ? Fans, yes. Journalist, yes. Or, all culprit.
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Antoine VAYER ‏@festinaboy 3h
Sorry David @DavidWalshST , my friend, like you did in 99 concerning my Bassons and Lance comparison, I can't follow you concerning Froome
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Blimey, can't say I expected that from Vayer.

 

[EnacheV]

Vayer ... lol, is he sober often?

Anyway

Just read this
http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=130

I tried this technique on myself in the past few weeks: I noticed that lowering the head the full diaphragmatic expiration is easier, and if you ride at high RPM (like Froome... ), each exhalation is accompanied by a 15-20% increase in instantaneous watts (better venous return? Less myofascial tension?).

I believe that this breathing technique, adequately trained and associated with a strengthening of the respiratory muscles, may bring advantages over an "uncontrolled" breathing , so frequent even among top athletes.

But i'm sure every team is training the same way, nothing is new, etc.

How much truth in here?

 

[the sceptic]

Vayer ... lol, is he sober often?

Anyway

Just read this
http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=130



But i'm sure every team is training the same way, nothing is new, etc.

How much truth in here?

if he supports Dawg it must be true, otherwise he is a drunk hater. You should probably stick to reading BikeRetard and the Walsh book.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Vayer ... lol, is he sober often?

Anyway

Just read this
http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=130



But i'm sure every team is training the same way, nothing is new, etc.

How much truth in here?

"Froome invents breathing"

 

[EnacheV]

"Froome invents breathing"

you are boring.

i always wondered what's up with paula radcliffe , it makes a little more sense now

 

[Ventoux Boar]

you are boring.

i always wondered what's up with paula radcliffe , it makes a little more sense now

You're right. First time I've seen that. Interesting stuff I haven't seen discussed much.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Meanwhile, good to see BikePure staying above the fray. Classy.

'BikePureUK Feb 22, 9:34pm via Tweetbot for iOS
RT @festinaboy: Froome's power output ~6.70 W/kg at Oman Tour, 9 mn for "GREEN mountain's" It's a ****ing RED ridiculous performance. Bulls…'

 

[mewmewmew13]

Vayer ... lol, is he sober often?

Anyway

Just read this
http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=130



But i'm sure every team is training the same way, nothing is new, etc.

How much truth in here?

Well in complete contradiction CN reports that Froome " .. appears to have worked on lifting his gaze from his stem to the road ahead."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-of-oman-2014/stage-5/results

So I wonder if we can keep making stuff up to explain his success….

 

[JRanton]

Richie needs to get back to Monaco and get some of the good stuff off Froome.

I expect an incredible Porte in Paris-Nice.

 

[gooner]

Richie needs to get back to Monaco and get some of the good stuff off Froome.

I expect an incredible Porte in Paris-Nice.

The organisers with the route design have robbed us of that opportunity this time.

I don't think Porte will be up to much here this year.

 

[JRanton]

The organisers with the route design have robbed us of that opportunity this time.

I don't think Porte will be up to much here this year.

Ah, I thought there was still a fair amount of climbing? If not, then maybe that's why Geraint Thomas is apparently seriously targeting Paris-Nice (he's not riding Het Nieuwsblad for example).

EDIT - Yeah, just checked the route. What an absolute joke. Can't see Porte doing anything there. Sagan will win it if he's riding.

 

[gooner]

Ah, I thought there was still a fair amount of climbing? If not, then maybe that's why Geraint Thomas is apparently seriously targeting Paris-Nice (he's not riding Het Nieuwsblad for example).

EDIT - Yeah, just checked the route. What an absolute joke. Can't see Porte doing anything there. Sagan will win it if he's riding.

Even in T-A as well with Froome. There's a better chance of him nailing it there in comparison to P-N but the MTF is 16.7km @ 4.6%. The length of the stage could make a difference(237km), nevertheless I can still see problems in dropping guys on that gradient.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I'm telling you guys. If Salvatore Commesso came out of retirement with Sky right now, he could win a MTF.

 

[BYOP88]

I'm telling you guys. If Salvatore Commesso came out of retirement with Sky right now, he could win a MTF.

I could see him and Magnus Bäckstedt destroying elite climbers on the mountains, but only if they rode for Sky any other team and they'd be in the 'Bus.

 

[JRanton]

Even in T-A as well with Froome. There's a better chance of him nailing it there in comparison to P-N but the MTF is 16.7km @ 4.6%. The length of the stage could make a difference(237km), nevertheless I can still see problems in dropping guys on that gradient.

Jesus...

Now I understand why so many of the top GC riders are going to be at Catalunya too. Presumably we'll get the big showdown there?

 

[Publicus]

Vayer ... lol, is he sober often?

Anyway

Just read this
http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=130



But i'm sure every team is training the same way, nothing is new, etc.

How much truth in here?

The question I have is, if this is a true training technique, wouldn't more of the Skybots be using it as well? Wouldn't the former Skybots (Rogers, etc.) have been at least exposed to it and could comment on its effectiveness? Seems to me that Ferrari is trying to stay relevant with this harebrained explanation (I'll wait until there is a more controlled experiment than tested it on himself for a few weeks).

 

[Merckx index]

A complete elevation of the diaphragm reduces the intra-abdominal pressure, effectively promoting the venous and lymphatic return from the lower limbs, whose action, relieved from toxic elements, becomes "lighter"

So it follows that when he raises his head, he is increasing intra-abdominal pressure, effectively hindering venous and lymphatic return…

The next deep breath, made through the nose and mouth and with the head in hyperextension (looking forward for the cyclist, up slightly for the runner), in addition to oxygenate the air in the lungs, reduces the endothoracic pressure by [I think he means, "which has the result of"] increasing diastolic filling and cardiac output and therefore the amount of oxygen that gets to the muscles.

So it follows that when he bows his head, he is increasing endothoracic pressure and decreasing diastolic filling and cardiac output and therefore the amount of oxygen that gets to the muscles.

A lot of his reasoning sounds ad hoc to me.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Simple enough to try it sitting at your desk. Drop your head and breathe, then look up and breathe. Which is easier?

 

[Ferminal]

Jesus...

Now I understand why so many of the top GC riders are going to be at Catalunya too. Presumably we'll get the big showdown there?

It's not as good as last year but Vallter is still probably the best MTF pre-May this year (as opposed to the feast we had last year).

The best climber can still win P-N, the JTL memorial can be made hard enough so that the best climber wins on the ramp unless Valverde and Murito show up. I have a suspicion that Porte may not improve much until May as part of the Piti-Puri... I mean Kerrison double.

Also lol @ posting the Ferrari anecdote.

 

[frenchfry]

The good news is that the dawg is still up to his tricks so the window of opportunity remains open.

 

[EnacheV]

The question I have is, if this is a true training technique, wouldn't more of the Skybots be using it as well? Wouldn't the former Skybots (Rogers, etc.) have been at least exposed to it and could comment on its effectiveness? Seems to me that Ferrari is trying to stay relevant with this harebrained explanation (I'll wait until there is a more controlled experiment than tested it on himself for a few weeks).

Because it seems very hard to train and extremely uncomfortable ? As the guy writing the article pointed, only 2 people (except the swimmers who have a similar move when breathing out) were/are doing it.

A lot of his reasoning sounds ad hoc to me.

The guy says it tested it practically, did you?

Seems to me that Ferrari is trying to stay relevant with this harebrained explanation

Kinda like Vayer ?

As for CN "reporting", please spare me. In 4 race pictures i saw from yesterday stage in 3 Froome is doing this.

What i'm pointing out here is that the meme's

"all teams train the same"
"theres nothing to improve in cycling training"
etc

are very wrong and one of the reason most teams never progress to winning teams. People with dynosaur minds rejecting "because they know better" anything that may improve output.

P.S. if the usual suspects will refrain to bury this with the usual repeating worthless posts i would appreciate.