Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[barn yard]

lol at 5% time improvement. That ol' 5% improvement chestnut, what a ripper!

imagine if marginal gains were used, 6%!

 

[Gregga]

Vayer ... lol, is he sober often?

Anyway

Just read this
http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=130



But i'm sure every team is training the same way, nothing is new, etc.

How much truth in here?

I've read the article and tried this breathing trick on the trainer, it actually lowers the heart rate for a few seconds, but no miracle in term of performance, and you can't breath that way for a long time. Maybe just a way to lower acid lactic level 1%... marginal gain

 

[EnacheV]

I've read the article and tried this breathing trick on the trainer, it actually lowers the heart rate for a few seconds, but no miracle in term of performance, and you can't breath that way for a long time. Maybe just a way to lower acid lactic level 1%... marginal gain

I think it's quite uncomfortable at first, one of the reasons nobody does this.

Froome is breathing that way 5 hours every race day. It makes you wonder the differences it can make when fully mastered, when your body get used to do it for a very long time.

Thanks for an useful post.

PS : you say it lowers heart rate, if i remember correctly Froome has a low heart rate in race , compared to other pro's.

 

[Ferminal]

I think one more anecdote and it will be settled.

 

[SundayRider]

I think it's quite uncomfortable at first, one of the reasons nobody does this.

Froome is breathing that way 5 hours every race day. It makes you wonder the differences it can make when fully mastered, when your body get used to do it for a very long time.

Thanks for an useful post.

PS : you say it lowers heart rate, if i remember correctly Froome has a low heart rate in race , compared to other pro's.

These reasons why he is better than the rest are more ridiculous than the Armstrong reasons back in the day!

 

[EnacheV]

I think one more anecdote and it will be settled.

These reasons why he is better than the rest are more ridiculous than the Armstrong reasons back in the day!

thanks for this perfect examples of the useless filler post method.

you have no clue what's all about, you have a belief and nothing else matters. well, get used with Froome humiliating your dynosaur favorite, whoever that is

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Except he's been doing it all his career yeah? So it's no gain compared to his time at Barloworld, so doesn't in fact explain the ridiculous jump in performance, even if it was an actual advantage...

 

[Ferminal]

Yes, I hate Froome with a passion, helps to know people's preferences before you troll them.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Vayer ... lol, is he sober often?

Anyway

Just read this
http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=130



But i'm sure every team is training the same way, nothing is new, etc.

How much truth in here?

You cant see the good doc is just trolling?
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/dec/16/paula-radcliffe

She has always been known for embracing innovation, from ice baths to emu oil. This year, she reveals she has been wearing a mouthguard on her lower jaw to correct imbalances in her lower spine. Will it stop the famous nodding? "No, that's part of my running style," she says, and something she has learned to draw strength from.

His special technique didnt help him here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lEGpv0xn0E8#t=358

Nice try though, they guy just has a nervous tick.

 

[EnacheV]

You cant see the good doc is just trolling?

correctly is "i want to believe that the good doc is trolling".

i find it amuzing to troll yourself on the website you sell your services.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

correctly is "i want to believe that the good doc is trolling".

i find it amuzing to troll yourself on the website you sell your services.

Explain to me why Froome's special breathing technique didnt work his whole carreer untill Vuelta 2011. You cant.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I would try the breathing technique but my bike computer's instructions tell me to pay attention to the road

 

[EnacheV]

Explain to me why Froome's special breathing technique didnt work his whole carreer untill Vuelta 2011. You cant.

1st i don't know if this "technique" is something that he used from start or improved in the last years.

2nd there is no magic pill. there is no single cause but i think it's a mix of things aligning. the reasons he sucked before 2011 Vuelta could have been to heavy and offset the good things he had. once those gone.

i think this alone can't explain the demolishing we see now , it's just a piece of the puzzle.

it's funny how people dismiss everything that oppose their belief, without having the slightest hint if some "technique" is working or not.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

^ Exactly. The Clinic drones on and on and on about nobody citing a single thing that Sky do differently. Then when someone does it is dismissed as an anecdote. Meanwhile Janitor Vayer, when not enhancing his scientific objectivity and Anglo Saxon on Twitter, hands down a new Commandment and is greeted as a prophet

Why so defensive? What y'all worried about?

Maybe it's because I'm a noob, but nobody has addressed my point about Sky possibly doing exactly the same as other teams, just slightly better. Do Movistar look better this season? Quintana's TT position? How about BMC? How are these transformations possible?

Edit: As for Ferrari trolling, noted original thinker and no-doubt soon to be exposed doping apologist Graeme Obree, had similar thoughts:

Graeme Obree, an Absolute Genius whom the UCI smothered and buried, describes and recommends in his book "The Obree Way" an interesting breathing technique developed by him over the years.

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=129

 

[ebandit]

offset

Explain to me why Froome's special breathing technique didnt work his whole carreer untill Vuelta 2011. You cant.

those advantages were offset by a poor training plan no motivational coach
and that badZ stuff

Mark L

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Yet Wiggins had a comparable 2012, not to mention his sky rocket 2009, and rides like a normal person.

Curiouser and curiouser.

The thing about honesty is you never have to remember what you said, coz like, ya know, it was the truth the first time?

el oh el.

 

[ebandit]

don't worry about..............

Why so defensive? What y'all worried about?

of course this is the place for discussion...............who's worried? members just observe and comment on what they see/hear/read

da dawgs performance in oman however does suggest that it's going to be the same as last year

personally i expect others to have caught up............da dawg will be outgunned by alberto etc

Mark L

 

[SundayRider]

The irony of Sky fan posting a link to Michele Ferrari as to the reason why Froome is crusing the opposition is just too much.

 

[Saint Unix]

Why is Froome the only Sky rider to sag his head like his neck's made of rubber if that breathing technique gives him such a massive advantage? Surely the rest of the team would be in on the magic secret too if it's so damn effective?

 

[EnacheV]

Why is Froome the only Sky rider to sag his head like his neck's made of rubber if that breathing technique gives him such a massive advantage? Surely the rest of the team would be in on the magic secret too if it's so damn effective?

i don't know

he is the only one doing it, maybe it's extremely uncomfortable/hard to train or adapt or simply just to ridiculously looking for people to try it.

question was, is this a valid breathing technique that improves performance?

and not after trying it for 5 mins, but few 1000's hours.

for now we have 1 coach opinion that it does versus few forum opinions that dismiss it as anecdotal (ofc without seriously testing/trying etc).

Surely the rest of the team would be in on the magic secret too if it's so damn effective?

I don't think habits change so fast. First each needs to test themselves, learn by doing it, improve things slowly by practice, because there's no school manual for this and nobody to hand you the recipe on a platter.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

for now we have 1 coach opinion that it does versus few forum opinions that dismiss it as anecdotal (ofc without seriously testing/trying etc).

Obree reinvents breathing http://vimeo.com/44933735

 

[EnacheV]

Obree reinvents breathing http://vimeo.com/44933735

This just shows that even the simplest things can be done differently for improved performance.

As nobody would be willing to write manuals for the rest of the competition , it's pretty obvious that the "everybody does same things since 1970" meme it's hilarious.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

This just shows that even the simplest things can be done differently for improved performance.

As nobody would be willing to write manuals for the rest of the competition , it's pretty obvious that the "everybody does same things since 1970" meme it's hilarious.

The problem with your line of 'reasoning' lies in the video of the San Luca climb, this video shows clearly his head boggling like he always does and thus did, way back, in 2009. So, do explain to me how it is possible to explain the rise of power due to this 'breathing technique' aka the headboggling of tha Dawg. Again, you cant.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

The problem with your line of 'reasoning' lies in the video of the San Luca climb, this video shows clearly his head boggling like he always does and thus did, way back, in 2009. So, do explain to me how it is possible to explain the rise of power due to this 'breathing technique' aka the headboggling of tha Dawg. Again, you cant.

Who's saying that? This is the ridiculous reductive spiral at work.

It's just one of many possible techniques that may be used. Or are you saying that all riders are identical, can never improve, and that no coaching can possibly make a difference?

 

[GuyIncognito]

This is the ridiculous reductive spiral at work.

are you saying that all riders are identical, can never improve, and that no coaching can possibly make a difference?

Thank you, it makes it so much easier when you explain the fallacy before using it