Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[the sceptic]

clear as mud

 

[LaFlorecita]

Nico Roche talking about Froome.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/02/news/nicolas-roche-on-his-dad-contador-and-froome_317890

Omerta

 

[Granville57]

Nico Roche talking about Froome.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/02/news/nicolas-roche-on-his-dad-contador-and-froome_317890

A lot of the stories that are coming out now might have happened 10, 20 years ago.

Oh boy.

10 char

 

[GuyIncognito]

Norm Chomsky

Is that the guy from Cheers?
I mention that show because it's sufficiently low brow for you to be aware of it. Otherwise I'd mention Noam Chomsky, but that's way over your head

clear as mud

You're right I do notice the resemblance to VentouxBoar's speech patterns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953PkxFNiko&t=40s

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Is that the guy from Cheers?
I mention that show because it's sufficiently low brow for you to be aware of it. Otherwise I'd mention Noam Chomsky, but that's way over your head

You're right I do notice the resemblance to VentouxBoar's speech patterns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953PkxFNiko&t=40s

Righto. Hope to achieve a level that merits a considered response someday.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Is that the guy from Cheers?
I mention that show because it's sufficiently low brow for you to be aware of it. Otherwise I'd mention Noam Chomsky, but that's way over your head



You're right I do notice the resemblance to VentouxBoar's speech patterns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953PkxFNiko&t=40s

well I gave him the benefit of the doubt as my autocorrect does some pretty hilarious fixes after I've clicked 'submit'

back OT I can't believe that Roche's comments about Froome being simply 'better' make me gag…

 

[EnacheV]

Omerta

and what do you expect him to say ?

and seems he is responding more to rumors regarding Contador clean after return : "It’s often unfair to say to someone who’s going bad" imo this is a reference to Contador

"You just don’t know" , that sums it up. Even when asked about what riders think of Froome, he responds only with his p.o.v., like "You just don’t know" for the other riders.

Maybe he has an opinion, maybe he thinks Froome is a doper, but the real world has different rules than the clinic.

 

[The Hitch]

Considering who nikos team leader, team manager, team owner, team head domestique, hell whole ****ing team are, I didn't exactly expect him to say he thinks froome dopes. Contador himself said froome is clean, and Hillarious a lot of the people who were missing on contador since they started watching cycling in 2012 suddenly started calling him a credible witness.

 

[Granville57]

the real world has different rules than the clinic.

Sadly, true.

Otherwise Froome woud've been banned a long time ago.

 

[The Hitch]

In which case you are arguing that Team Sky and Froome have discovered something revolutionary that gives them a step up on the opposition. The history of endurance sport shows that such a sudden marked improvement has only come with doping...

The below graph shows the massive step increase in performances that occurred due to the introduction of blood vector doping.

We have not returned to performances of those 'pre-EPO/blood doping' levels. One would expect an increase in performances over time but to have Froome racing up climbs in comparable times to doped performances of the 90's and 00's surely is cause for concern... unless you are a fan of Sky I guess.

Now there's a thinking man.

 

[42x16ss]

The irony of Sky fan posting a link to Michele Ferrari as to the reason why Froome is crusing the opposition is just too much.

You're assuming that their knowledge of the sport is sufficient to know how ridiculous this is

Anything that man writes that doesn't involve power modeling or a training plan deserves to be treated with contempt.

 

[LaFlorecita]

and what do you expect him to say ?

and seems he is responding more to rumors regarding Contador clean after return : "It’s often unfair to say to someone who’s going bad" imo this is a reference to Contador

"You just don’t know" , that sums it up. Even when asked about what riders think of Froome, he responds only with his p.o.v., like "You just don’t know" for the other riders.

Maybe he has an opinion, maybe he thinks Froome is a doper, but the real world has different rules than the clinic.

He said exactly what I expected him to say

 

[spalco]

Omerta

It goes beyong that actually. For guys like Roche, whether they are doping or not, there's a strong incentive from a game theory point of view to say things like that to possibly prevent other riders from starting to dope.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

In which case you are arguing that Team Sky and Froome have discovered something revolutionary that gives them a step up on the opposition. The history of endurance sport shows that such a sudden marked improvement has only come with doping...

The below graph shows the massive step increase in performances that occurred due to the introduction of blood vector doping.

We have not returned to performances of those 'pre-EPO/blood doping' levels. One would expect an increase in performances over time but to have Froome racing up climbs in comparable times to doped performances of the 90's and 00's surely is cause for concern... unless you are a fan of Sky I guess.

Where's the data for that? Your graph stops 2005.

 

[EnacheV]

So do you expect/wait for 2014 performances to drop to 1993 levels ?! Is that a joke ? We should get back to MS-DOS operating system also, maybe?

 

[nomapnocompass]

As said, some increase in performance is expected but the current performances are levels are not.

The introduction of blood vector doping brought about a step increase in performance levels in grand tours. Is your argument that no fall off in performances should be expected. Look at the Tour in 2009, likely one of the most doped in recent memory. The current performances in 2013 were close to that, not to mention a 'clean' rider like Wiggins matching the performances of doped riders like Armstrong, Contador, etc.

 

[gillan1969]

So do you expect/wait for 2014 performances to drop to 1993 levels ?! Is that a joke ? We should get back to MS-DOS operating system also, maybe?

well, boardman went back to just above 1972 levels with his athletes hour...they don't like the hour the blood vector guys (well, they did until the heamatocrit test was introduced )...very measurable the hour, not many variables..can't start calling everyone psuedo-scientists when they analyse it...no magical tailwinds..no teammates stomping up the hill for you....

mind you...if wiggo were to take his own pillow with him to La Paz...i reckon he might just take it

 

[Ventoux Boar]

As said, some increase in performance is expected but the current performances are levels are not.

The introduction of blood vector doping brought about a step increase in performance levels in grand tours. Is your argument that no fall off in performances should be expected. Look at the Tour in 2009, likely one of the most doped in recent memory. The current performances in 2013 were close to that, not to mention a 'clean' rider like Wiggins matching the performances of doped riders like Armstrong, Contador, etc.

Which specific performances?

 

[Ventoux Boar]

well, boardman went back to just above 1972 levels with his athletes hour...they don't like the hour the blood vector guys (well, they did until the heamatocrit test was introduced )...very measurable the hour, not many variables..can't start calling everyone psuedo-scientists when they analyse it...no magical tailwinds..no teammates stomping up the hill for you....

mind you...if wiggo were to take his own pillow with him to La Paz...i reckon he might just take it

Here's one

 

[EnacheV]

well, boardman went back to just above 1972 levels with his athletes hour...they don't like the hour the blood vector guys (well, they did until the heamatocrit test was introduced )...very measurable the hour, not many variables..can't start calling everyone psuedo-scientists when they analyse it...no magical tailwinds..no teammates stomping up the hill for you....

mind you...if wiggo were to take his own pillow with him to La Paz...i reckon he might just take it

Imo if hour record would bring fame and money like it once did i'm sure there will be 2 or 3 current riders to beat it comfortably. That speaking only about hour record. There was some russian guy beating the record (doped), nobody cared, that's the reason for something not improving, not much reward.

 

[gillan1969]

Here's one

one what?
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[Ventoux Boar]

A "variable". I bolded the specific part of your post I was responding too. I'm new here. I'll learn the protocols.

 

[red_flanders]

Imo if hour record would bring fame and money like it once did i'm sure there will be 2 or 3 current riders to beat it comfortably. That speaking only about hour record. There was some russian guy beating the record (doped), nobody cared, that's the reason for something not improving, not much reward.

And you'd have people doping to win the prize if the reward was significant. It would tell us nothing.

 

[Saint Unix]

A "variable". I bolded the specific part of your post I was responding too. I'm new here. I'll learn the protocols.

You are aware that UCI's official hour record has to be done on equipment similar to that used by Merckx, right? The only big variable is the altitude of the track used.

 

[lllludo]

So do you expect/wait for 2014 performances to drop to 1993 levels ?! Is that a joke ? We should get back to MS-DOS operating system also, maybe?

DROP to 1993 levels ? That's a joke ! 1993 was the beginning of the EPO era. All 1993 major performances are tainted by EPO a very powerful PED and therefore should be extremely difficult to surpass today by a clean rider. Pantani's record up l'Alpe d'Huez is a good example.