Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[gillan1969]

A "variable". I bolded the specific part of your post I was responding too. I'm new here. I'll learn the protocols.

yeah and as per saint unix's response...the UCI going back to basics has meant that performance gains through such variables as aerodynamics (e.g. Obree) have been eliminated. So for the hour we do jump from 1972 to 2000 and see an improvement gain of only 0.02%. And nobody going for it again.

 

[gillan1969]

Imo if hour record would bring fame and money like it once did i'm sure there will be 2 or 3 current riders to beat it comfortably. That speaking only about hour record. There was some russian guy beating the record (doped), nobody cared, that's the reason for something not improving, not much reward.

yeah but look how excited ferrari got with it (with Rominger). It's a performance physiologist's wet dream. Sky, on paper, should be all over it.......just think what the guy whose VO2 is pushing the boundaries of recorded human physiology could manage...gangly elbows and all

 

[Ventoux Boar]

You are aware that UCI's official hour record has to be done on equipment similar to that used by Merckx, right? The only big variable is the altitude of the track used.

Yes. I know about The Rules. But I find it hard to believe that the state of the art in many other aspects of preparation and performance hasn't progressed since Merckx, making direct comparisons across eras difficult at best.

 

[gillan1969]

Yes. I know about The Rules. But I find it hard to believe that the state of the art in many other aspects of preparation and performance hasn't progressed since Merckx, making direct comparisons across eras difficult at best.

well..boardman used all the most up-to-date training techniques and so at the time of that record then it was state of the art...and he was only 0.02% better. It throws the huge performance gains elsewhere into sharp focus and might be why some are rather reticent about giving it a go...i cannot vouch for him foregoing nutella or bringing his own pillow with him however...if only he had known about these things who knows how much the record would have fallen by..

 

[martinvickers]

well..boardman used all the most up-to-date training techniques and so at the time of that record then it was state of the art...and he was only 0.02% better. It throws the huge performance gains elsewhere into sharp focus and might be why some are rather reticent about giving it a go...i cannot vouch for him foregoing nutella or bringing his own pillow with him however...if only he had known about these things who knows how much the record would have fallen by..

I suspect Boardman in 2000, at 32 and on the verge of injury forced retirement was not really at his absolute peak - and still took the record, just.

How he did it is another story, but I would be more shocked if his 2000 ride HAD been as good as his 'outlawed' PHE one.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

well..boardman used all the most up-to-date training techniques and so at the time of that record then it was state of the art...and he was only 0.02% better. It throws the huge performance gains elsewhere into sharp focus and might be why some are rather reticent about giving it a go...i cannot vouch for him foregoing nutella or bringing his own pillow with him however...if only he had known about these things who knows how much the record would have fallen by..

Boardman was also quite the TT specialist so is perhaps fairly representative of a Tony Martin class attempt. Hell of ride, Eddie.

 

[gillan1969]

I suspect Boardman in 2000, at 32 and on the verge of injury forced retirement was not really at his absolute peak - and still took the record, just.

How he did it is another story, but I would be more shocked if his 2000 ride HAD been as good as his 'outlawed' PHE one.

yes...think an athletes hour attempt in '96 would have been longer....although still 10 years below Horner at his peak

 

[martinvickers]

yes...think an athletes hour attempt in '96 would have been longer....although still 10 years below Horner at his peak

Doesn't undermind the vastness of Eddy's achievement. As for Horner, he must be in shape for a Veteran's Hour record ;-)

 

[the sceptic]

Doesn't undermind the vastness of Eddy's achievement. As for Horner, he must be in shape for a Veteran's Hour record ;-)

Lets stick to the topic shall we?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-wgquXwxCY

 

[EnacheV]

Pressed on how he felt Froome has responded to last July’s Tour victory, Brailsford said: “”Everyone is different, we’ve seen the same things with Chris Hoy, Victoria Pendleton [on the track]… After a big victory it’s always difficult to go back to your everyday life, but Chris is a serious person and for him the goal is not to win the Tour de France once, but to do it several times.

“He is really focused on that and has got a lot of ambition. If you just focus on getting a result and you manage it to achieve it, things become difficult because there is nothing more to achieve. But if your goal is to win again and again, then the work continues after that first victory.”

I hope some people have though nerves for the years to come

What is sure, he is not a new Cobo or Wiggins

 

[martinvickers]

Lets stick to the topic shall we?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-wgquXwxCY

Well, it would be a nice change of pace for you, right enough

 

[the sceptic]

Well, it would be a nice change of pace for you, right enough

What did you make of Froomes performance the other day?

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Lets stick to the topic shall we?

Good plan. Where are all these 'comparable with doped rides' I keep hearing about?

 

[the sceptic]

Good plan. Where are all these 'comparable with doped rides' I keep hearing about?

Since youre a brand new poster and not a previously banned troll, you should probably read up on the subject. I suggest starting with this thread http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17412

you can report back with your findings when youre done.

 

[martinvickers]

What did you make of Froomes performance the other day?

Froome? Didn't see much of it, to be honest, what I saw wasn't particularly novel. Short hill really, not monstrously steep. Froome did what he does. Thought VG looked in decent shape. Bit disappointed in Uran, wondered where the hell Nibali was - as I said, I didn't see much of it.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Anyone know the status of Tour of Oman race? I was under the impression the stage winner + leader + randoms are dope tested post-stage. If so, they are accompanied by a chaperone for the duration pre- and during the test.

Yet Froome rode off from the end of the stage to "cool down". Did he not get tested? Or was the chaperone able to keep up?

Did any of the Sky soigneurs hand him a bottle before he rode off to cool down?

How long was he cooling down before he arrived back at the stage end?

 

[EnacheV]

Anyone know the status of Tour of Oman race? I was under the impression the stage winner + leader + randoms are dope tested post-stage. If so, they are accompanied by a chaperone for the duration pre- and during the test.

Yet Froome rode off from the end of the stage to "cool down". Did he not get tested? Or was the chaperone able to keep up?

Did any of the Sky soigneurs hand him a bottle before he rode off to cool down?

How long was he cooling down before he arrived back at the stage end?

2.HC

this is a new tactic from armstrong's 100 ways to avoid testing positive manual ? run away from testers?

i would insert a picard facepalm pic but i dont have time to search

 

[42x16ss]

Anyone know the status of Tour of Oman race? I was under the impression the stage winner + leader + randoms are dope tested post-stage. If so, they are accompanied by a chaperone for the duration pre- and during the test.

Yet Froome rode off from the end of the stage to "cool down". Did he not get tested? Or was the chaperone able to keep up?

Did any of the Sky soigneurs hand him a bottle before he rode off to cool down?

How long was he cooling down before he arrived back at the stage end?

How large was the finish area? How long was Froome away for? He may have simply spun another 2 - 300 metres further in the granny gear a couple of times. Sky have done some silly stuff but surely nothing that blatant?

 

[the sceptic]

Froome? Didn't see much of it, to be honest, what I saw wasn't particularly novel. Short hill really, not monstrously steep. Froome did what he does. Thought VG looked in decent shape. Bit disappointed in Uran, wondered where the hell Nibali was - as I said, I didn't see much of it.

quelle surprise

 

[Dear Wiggo]

How large was the finish area? How long was Froome away for? He may have simply spun another 2 - 300 metres further in the granny gear a couple of times. Sky have done some silly stuff but surely nothing that blatant?

Just asking. Even if the entire thing is innocent - if he was on the list to be tested, and was able to ride away sans chaperone, it speaks to a bigger picture of special treatment.

 

[42x16ss]

Just asking.

Me too. Scary thing is, I probably shouldn't be surprised if Froome WAS allowed 1-2km up the mountain. It's not like this hasn't happened before

 

[Saint Unix]

Yes. I know about The Rules. But I find it hard to believe that the state of the art in many other aspects of preparation and performance hasn't progressed since Merckx, making direct comparisons across eras difficult at best.

Then why would you post a picture of Obree in his egg position?

 

[EnacheV]

so you basically heard "road up the mountain for a warm off" and started a conspiracy theory, ending with Cookson protecting Sky.

 

[Netserk]

so you basically heard "road up the mountain for a warm off" and started a conspiracy theory, ending with Cookson protecting Sky.

Where is Cookson mentioned?

 

[martinvickers]

quelle surprise

You expect something else based on one video of a short climb? Really??