Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Dr. Maserati]

You expect something else based on one video of a short climb? Really??

Its not so much the video - did you see the reported figures for the climb that was posted earlier on the thread?
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17756&page=849

 

[martinvickers]

Its not so much the video - did you see the reported figures for the climb that was posted earlier on the thread?
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17756&page=849

No, could you link please?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No, could you link please?

I linked to the page as you could then follow the relevant discussion.
Here is the post that started it;

Antoine VAYER ‏@festinaboy 3h
Froome's power output ~6.70 W/kg at Oman Tour, 9 mn for "GREEN mountain's" It's a ****ing RED ridiculous performance. Bull****, joke.


Antoine VAYER ‏@festinaboy 3h
18 mn 34 sec for that "Green Moutain" . Who is idiot ? Fans, yes. Journalist, yes. Or, all culprit.
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Antoine VAYER ‏@festinaboy 3h
Sorry David @DavidWalshST , my friend, like you did in 99 concerning my Bassons and Lance comparison, I can't follow you concerning Froome
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Blimey, can't say I expected that from Vayer.

 

[EnacheV]

18 minute climb + a twitter troll = pretty serious numbers

 

[Dr. Maserati]

18 minute climb + a twitter troll = pretty serious numbers

Are the numbers wrong?
If so, what numbers did you come up and how?

 

[Havetts]

18 minute climb + a twitter troll = pretty serious numbers

But whenever Horner performs these numbers on a small climb, Froome defenders scream bloody murder.

 

[EnacheV]

Are the numbers wrong?
If so, what numbers did you come up and how?

i'm not gonna bother, everyone knows Vayer is a troll and nobody cares about what he has to say except few irrelevant haters.

 

[the sceptic]

Are the numbers wrong?
If so, what numbers did you come up and how?

I think Vayer knows a thing or two about doping, so unless he has some agenda Im unaware of I believe his numbers.

Please correct me if im wrong here, but arent you supposed to subtract 5% from your 20 minute effort to get your FTP? Which would put the Dawg at something like 6.2-6.3w/kg.. well above the maximum human limit.

So in my opinion this kind of performance should raise all kinds of flags. (If there wasnt enough flags raised already)

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Then why would you post a picture of Obree in his egg position?

Obree is a metaphor for original thinking about legal performance enhancements.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I think Vayer knows a thing or two about doping, so unless he has some agenda Im unaware of I believe his numbers.

Please correct me if im wrong here, but arent you supposed to subtract 5% from your 20 minute effort to get your FTP? Which would put the Dawg at something like 6.2-6.3w/kg.. well above the maximum human limit.

So in my opinion this kind of performance should raise all kinds of flags. (If there wasnt enough flags raised already)

No, not really.

Wiggins has already admitted to doing 450W for an hour in the final TdF TT for 2012. An hour. And a similar value for the Worlds the year before, when Tony Martin beat him. Far more reliable than 95% of a 20 minute test, and (few) batted an eyelid.

In fact Coggan drew a CP graph to show that it was "normal" for Wiggins to generate this sort of power, despite losing 13kg in the process, meaning his W/kg was increasing as the duration of his effort increased. Makes the current Wattage group discussion regarding CP even more interesting, but I digress.

Or, maybe, yes really. Depending on how you look at it...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

i'm not gonna bother, everyone knows Vayer is a troll and nobody cares about what he has to say except few irrelevant haters.

So, you have nothing to offer except to dismiss him as a troll?

I haven't always agreed with Vayers conclusions and there can be a margin for error. But when he is dismissed as a troll that only irrelevant haters care about, I think that means that his figures are pretty accurate.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Race Radio]

Are the numbers wrong?
If so, what numbers did you come up and how?

Vetoo has him at 6.5-6.60, which is likely more accurate.

The bigger question is the time. Smoking fast. A minute fast then Nibali in 2012. Wow

 

[The Hitch]

Fire ahead, Septic.

How can you on one thread complain that someone is using personal attacks and on another post this?

 

[the sceptic]

Vetoo has him at 6.5-6.60, which is likely more accurate.

The bigger question is the time. Smoking fast. A minute fast then Nibali in 2012. Wow

but slower than Horner?

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Since youre a brand new poster and not a previously banned troll, you should probably read up on the subject. I suggest starting with this thread http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17412

you can report back with your findings when youre done.

Are you trying to get rid of me Let me try to be more specific.

A key part of The Credo appears to be 'as fast as known dopers'. I'm genuinely asking if this is based on any more than one ride on Ventoux, and another on a 'transitional' mountain.

Is it?

 

[Race Radio]

but slower than Horner?

Yes, slower then Horner.

La Gazzetta had Horner at 6.83 watts/kg on Peña Cabarga. I think 6.7 is more accurate..... but this is early in the season, Froome still has time to catch up

 

[mewmewmew13]

Yes, slower then Horner.

La Gazzetta had Horner at 6.83 watts/kg on Peña Cabarga. I think 6.7 is more accurate..... but this is early in the season, Froome still has time to catch up

Froome is going to spontaneously combust by the time the Tour rolls around

 

[Catwhoorg]

There were several quick times this year.

Is not a tailwind a genuine possibility? (AND yes I know what a joke that comment is considered here)

(Yes he was fast, yes he beat people by a decent margin, but maybe everyone was a little assisted. take 20-30 secs off and what conclusions would you draw).

 

[BYOP88]

There were several quick times this year.

Is not a tailwind a genuine possibility? (AND yes I know what a joke that comment is considered here)

(Yes he was fast, yes he beat people by a decent margin, but maybe everyone was a little assisted. take 20-30 secs off and what conclusions would you draw).

That he still won by 22 seconds.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

That he still won by 22 seconds.

14 seconds / km.

 

[Race Radio]

There were several quick times this year.

Is not a tailwind a genuine possibility? (AND yes I know what a joke that comment is considered here)

(Yes he was fast, yes he beat people by a decent margin, but maybe everyone was a little assisted. take 20-30 secs off and what conclusions would you draw).

There was a tailwind on the climb, but pointing out this fact drives people nuts so no need to bring it up.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

There were several quick times this year.

Is not a tailwind a genuine possibility? (AND yes I know what a joke that comment is considered here)

(Yes he was fast, yes he beat people by a decent margin, but maybe everyone was a little assisted. take 20-30 secs off and what conclusions would you draw).

Its is - but then it needs to be checked against other years.

I checked the weather station against the dates of the different additions:
2014 - 22 February - Wind from South (180), approx 7 mph.
2013 - 14 February - Wind from west (270), approx 16mph
2012 - 18 February - Wind from South (180), approx 3 mph.
2011 - 18 February -Wind from west sw (110), approx. 11 mph.

Edit - A is the finish, B is the start of climb. (I had to post in haste as battery going)

 

[Race Radio]

Its is - but then it needs to be checked against other years.

I checked the weather station against the dates of the different additions:
2014 - 22 February - Wind from South (180), approx 7 mph.
2013 - 14 February - Wind from west (270), approx 16mph
2012 - 18 February - Wind from South (180), approx 3 mph.
2011 - 18 February -Wind from west sw (110), approx. 11 mph.

Edit - A is the finish, B is the start of climb. (I had to post in haste as battery going)

Multiple reports of the day said there was a slight tailwind. Don't know what the conditions were in 2012

 

[biker jk]

No, not really.

Wiggins has already admitted to doing 450W for an hour in the final TdF TT for 2012. An hour. And a similar value for the Worlds the year before, when Tony Martin beat him. Far more reliable than 95% of a 20 minute test, and (few) batted an eyelid.

In fact Coggan drew a CP graph to show that it was "normal" for Wiggins to generate this sort of power, despite losing 13kg in the process, meaning his W/kg was increasing as the duration of his effort increased. Makes the current Wattage group discussion regarding CP even more interesting, but I digress.

Or, maybe, yes really. Depending on how you look at it...

As a reference, Simon Gerrans says at theshold "he can stick with the top riders on a climb at 450+ watts, before topping out at 15 minutes" (Bicycling Australia March/April 2014 edition, page 57).

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

It goes beyong that actually. For guys like Roche, whether they are doping or not, there's a strong incentive from a game theory point of view to say things like that to possibly prevent other riders from starting to dope.

Really?

It's now come to this?

For the love of sweet little baby Jesus...