Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Gung Ho Gun]

Pinotti on average 68th in GTs pre Giro 2007, then twice T-20 (the best being 9th). And in 2012 he hung in there until the last few days when he cracked... If that isn´t contenting for a good GT overall finish, I don´t know what it is then? Why does he suffer for 2 1/2 weeks before breaking? AFAIR he even said he targets a T-10 in the 2012 Giro, at age 36

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=343&year=2012&all=1&current=0

Didn't even crack a top-20 in a single non-TT stage?

 

[42x16ss]

So you trust all those riders, yet believe Froome is the evil? Welcome in the club I am not a member of.

The Clinic, a place I love since the Voeckler days... before that I took it serious.

Actually, like most people here, I trust none of those riders. It's just that Froome's rise was faster, more spectacular, less expected and with the least precedent of any of the riders you've listed.

 

[Nathan12]

lol Nibali, from gruppeto to 2nd in vuelta.

i'm sure you are reffering to Nibali in 2013 tour of Poland right?

Few on here would claim that Nibali's clean. But by August 2013 he'd already won two Grand Tours. Before Vuelta 2011, Froome had won nothing and shown nothing to indicate he would. Comparisons with Nibali are less than irrelevant. And if you really have to compare- if Nibali is doping, then how is Froome kicking his **** clean?

 

[42x16ss]

lol Nibali, from gruppeto to 2nd in vuelta.

i'm sure you are reffering to Nibali in 2013 tour of Poland right?

WTF?

Find one GT Nibali has ridden his entire career where he has spent more than one stage in the grupetto.

Then get it into your head that most of us are pretty sure he's been a Ferrari client at some stage and consistently showing at times where there's been some crazy doped performances.

 

[42x16ss]

Few on here would claim that Nibali's clean. But by August 2013 he'd already won two Grand Tours. Before Vuelta 2011, Froome had won nothing and shown nothing to indicate he would. Comparisons with Nibali are less than irrelevant. And if you really have to compare- if Nibali is doping, then how is Froome kicking his **** clean?

Expertly placed seatbolts, hand sanitiser, some really yummy pineapple juice and soft cuddly pillows if Failsfraud is to be beleived

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Actually, like most people here, I trust none of those riders. It's just that Froome's rise was faster, more spectacular, less expected and with the least precedent of any of the riders you've listed.

Good, but why you got annoyed then by saying I threw mud at those other riders? I do nothing different than some posters do with Froome/Sky... It´s a circus here, and sometimes I join the party when it gets really tough. For example when the gay jokes about Froome started, I had some for Horner. Or when the "twitter party" started yesterday, I felt like to join... for balance, you know... something I do since the Europecar theatre.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Few on here would claim that Nibali's clean. But by August 2013 he'd already won two Grand Tours. Before Vuelta 2011, Froome had won nothing and shown nothing to indicate he would. Comparisons with Nibali are less than irrelevant. And if you really have to compare- if Nibali is doping, then how is Froome kicking his **** clean?

He was just kidding...

 

[42x16ss]

Good, but why you got annoyed then by saying I threw mud at those other riders? I do nothing different than some posters do with Froome/Sky... It´s a circus here, and sometimes I join the party when it gets really tough. For example when the gay jokes about Froome started, I had some for Horner. Or when the "twitter party" started yesterday, I felt like to join... for balance, you know... something I do since the Europecar theatre.

I have no issue with you suspecting those other riders and I think I share the same feelings as most of the forum. It's the whole, "OMFG!! Horner and Cobo are like, SOOOOOO obvious and bad for the sport!!!! but Froome is ok" spiel.

It's disingenuous at best.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I have no issue with you suspecting those other riders and I think I share the same feelings as most of the forum. It's the whole, "OMFG!! Horner and Cobo are like, SOOOOOO obvious and bad for the sport!!!! but Froome is ok" spiel.

It's disingenuous at best.

The same way I feel the other way around.... only that this game has 1 million posts and mine are at max 500 in this whole issue

 

[42x16ss]

The same way I feel the other way around.... only that this game has 1 million posts and mine are at max 500 in this whole issue

But most of the forum don't think that the rest of the guys at the pointy end are ok, or clean (at least I don't). Most of the forum share the same feelings, we just take it one rider further - something you really seem to be struggling with.

 

[Digger]

lol Nibali, from gruppeto to 2nd in vuelta.

i'm sure you are reffering to Nibali in 2013 tour of Poland right?

The guy you use is/was a client of Ferrari...sure you know that though....

So the guy you use as an example doped...brilliant.

 

[Digger]

The twitter freak show brings in irrelevent data, shouldn't you be busy trolling Michelle Cound on twitter

Personal insults aside....what's irrelevant about it...not my fault you don't like looking at this...
Must be hard for you guys to keep this going. Straws, clutching at, everywhere.

 

[del1962]

Personal insults aside....what's irrelevant about it...not my fault you don't like looking at this...
Must be hard for you guys to keep this going. Straws, clutching at, everywhere.

It is irrelevent because it does not take in to account his teams goals for that tour of Poland or whether he was suffering from any colds etc at the time either.

 

[Digger]

It is irrelevent because it does not take in to account his teams goals for that tour of Poland or whether he was suffering from any colds etc at the time either.

Ok then...so can you please explain why or how he went and transformed himself...when he was being let go by sky at the start of that vuelta...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

But most of the forum don't think that the rest of the guys at the pointy end are ok, or clean (at least I don't). Most of the forum share the same feelings, we just take it one rider further - something you really seem to be struggling with.

You don´t believe that. Do you? Approx. 90% of spill goes to Froome/Sky. It goes as far that certain posters think Sky was the reason CH had to start to dope for his first ToC win (when Sky wasn´t even there for any kind of GT sucsess)...
In the Chris square thread it was relative quiet (speak one-sided) until I hit out against CH.
When Europecar was done after one TdF, Sky became the new punching ball. But the obvious dopers from before got more or less painfree trou all the mess the clinic became after the glorious LA days...
There wasn´t as much mud towards Valv-Piti or AC, that was thrown in one summer alone at Sky...
Riders from the past got defended, unless the signed for Sky... and so on, and so on.

 

[hrotha]

That has been explained countless times. People don't defend other riders or teams the way they defend Sky. Hence, there's much less to discuss.

If you look at the Contador thread, the moment someone so much as hinted at his being clean, people jumped on them. Same with the OPQS thread. It's just those folks don't keep going at it defending the indefensible ad nauseam.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

That has been explained countless times. People don't defend other riders or teams the way they defend Sky. Hence, there's much less to discuss.

If you look at the Contador thread, the moment someone so much as hinted at his being clean, people jumped on them. Same with the OPQS thread. It's just those folks don't keep going at it defending the indefensible ad nauseam.

So I always lurk at the wrong time? Or am I not enough in the RR thread? The last time I checked the RR section seriously (other than a poll here and there, or race day threads), the RESPECT Horner thread was still front page... And he gets a lot of love here like "he may dope, but I like the guy anyway", or he was the super duper "US circuit rider who just wasn´t comfortable in europe the 1st round"... next to the more grotesque defenses like "CH had to dope b/c Sky came up".

 

[hrotha]

Don't go to the RR section to read about doping.

I don't think you lurk at the wrong times. I just think you're ridiculously selective about what you want to see so that you can present a distorted argument to rile people up. I think that has a name in internet jargon.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Feel free of what you think, but I urge you to take a closer look... I rile up on people when gay jokes start or people start to go to sensless attacks like the "twitter party" yesterday. As you may see, I never come out of the blue to just spill out something here or there. I come for balance... the one who joins the party while it´s already going.

 

[Arrowfarm]

Feel free of what you think, but I urge you to take a closer look... I rile up on people when gay jokes start or people start to go to sensless attacks like the "twitter party" yesterday. As you may see, I never come out of the blue to just spill out something here or there. I come for balance... the one who joins the party while it´s already going.

For the record... I like the way you try to balance out the debates here, but sometimes it seems like you try to defend the indefensible.
I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but when it comes to Froome AND Horner... there really is no doubt.

 

[Ferminal]

Feel free to join me in the Katusha/AG2R etc threads.

 

[The Hitch]

Or when the "twitter party" started yesterday, I felt like to join... for balance, you know...

Wait you think cound getting abuse on Twitter from some people who have nothing to do with the Clinic justifies you coming after the clinic? You are behaving like one of those vigilante groups who respond to a rumour that an immigrant commited a crime by going and beating up a bunch of immigrants.

Secondly you haven't even got the right group to begin with

Cound specifically said it was fanatical Contador fans who sent her abuse, after she called him.an ex doper.

Here is her tweet

After dealing with death threats over the last 24 hours from Contador fans it’s not that unlikely.

Why the **** then are you using it as a licence to go after the clinic, or more broadly sceptics and anti dopers.

This has nothing to do with anyone in the clinic. The people that sent cound those tweets hold.precisely the kind of in denial opinion about doping that this forum tends to strongly oppose.

If you are really seeking justice for cound, you are sure hell looking for it in the wrong place. If you are actually just looking for an excuse to attack the clinic, that's as weak as they come.

 

[MartinGT]

I was in Flanders for the RvV at the weekend.

Whilst sat on the Kwarmont with some other English guys, some started saying how Valverde and Contador are kicking again and they said they were dodgy. As soon as I mentioned Froome and Sky they got all defensible saying Froome showed promise etc.

Blind.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Why the **** then are you using it as a licence to go after the clinic, or more broadly sceptics and anti dopers.

Come on Hitch. You seriously cannot be saying the Clinic is a bastion of objectivity and reason, providing objective factual information about doping in cycling?

The Clinic is a cesspool of speculation, conjecture, guess, hypothesis, supposition, surmise, theory, bias, uniformed opinion, sarcasm, insults and bad wit. No one in the real world of cycling cares a rats a$$ about the Clinic, just the regulars on here with nothing better to do. And that being said surely you don't hold yourself out to be the paragon of anti-doping because all you do is complain. I haven't seen a single constructive suggestion by you yet as to stopping doping.

That being said occasionally there are some informed and accurate commentary but that is the exception rather than the rule.

And you hold yourself out as a journalist with integrity?

You are on here because you love the cynicism and you like to be a $hyte disturber. You love the gossipy nature and the blood sport of taking someone down. And I admit I enjoy taking someone down too. It keeps my arguing skills current. But it is a pretty dumb reason to post commentary.

I have been on the Clinic for 5 years with only 400 or so posts because in most instances it is a gong show and a waste of time trying to have an intelligent conversation, because most posters simply want to attack you for saying something like - I think Contador is the best GT cyclist in the past 8 years.

Lets call a spade a spade!

 

[Netserk]

Come on Hitch. You seriously cannot be saying the Clinic is a bastion of objectivity and reason, providing objective factual information about doping in cycling?

The Clinic is a cesspool of speculation, conjecture, guess, hypothesis, supposition, surmise, theory, bias, uniformed opinion, sarcasm, insults and bad wit. No one in the real world of cycling cares a rats a$$ about the Clinic, just the regulars on here with nothing better to do. And that being said surely you don't hold yourself out to be the paragon of anti-doping because all you do is complain. I haven't seen a single constructive suggestion by you yet as to stopping doping.

That being said occasionally there are some informed and accurate commentary but that is the exception rather than the rule.

And you hold yourself out as a journalist with integrity?

You are on here because you love the cynicism and you like to be a $hyte disturber. You love the gossipy nature and the blood sport of taking someone down. And I admit I enjoy taking someone down too. It keeps my arguing skills current. But it is a pretty dumb reason to post commentary.

I have been on the Clinic for 5 years with only 400 or so posts because in most instances it is a gong show and a waste of time trying to have an intelligent conversation, because most posters simply want to attack you for saying something like - I think Contador is the best GT cyclist in the past 8 years.

Lets call a spade a spade!

What relevance does that have with Hitch's post?