Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[JimmyFingers]

Yes, I realised I countered Maltiv's point by making a more suspicious one.

Ah well its all ****s and giggles at the end of the day

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

There was no decision to drop him, I think he had an offer on the table, just not a very good one. JV wanted him as did other teams, then he had his breakout performance at the Vuelta and re-signed with Sky.

Of course that in itself is suspicious, a break out performance when your contract is up, but he wasn't about to get jettisoned by Sky.

He got an offer for 100.000 from Sky, an offer from Garmin [Bobby J. is a friend of the clean cycling guru of Garmin] and an offer from Cofidis [Bobby J. also has ties with them, must of course be a coincidence], that's about it.

And then came Pena Cabarga.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=orW9IQqyH1M#t=473s

Great show, Sky tv should get the tv rights.

To think Froome was the English rider to win the Tour within a period of five years is pretty fun.

 

[Taxus4a]

Put Froome on Alberto's program and he would not be cranking out 800w attacks. That is because Alberto has more natural talent than Froome.

Flo is awaiting Big Dopie rant

ou yeah!
For that reason Froome was better in the ITT of his first Tour than Alberto was.

 

[blackcat]

He got an offer for 100.000 from Sky, an offer from Garmin [Bobby J. is a friend of the clean cycling guru of Garmin] and an offer from Cofidis [Bobby J. also has ties with them, must of course be a coincidence], that's about it.

And then came Pena Cabarga.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=orW9IQqyH1M#t=473s

Great show, Sky tv should get the tv rights.

To think Froome was the English rider to win the Tour within a period of five years is pretty fun.

thomas dekker was the next off the rank and clearly more talented than wiggins when the road tilted up, and the chrono

 

[maltiv]

ou yeah!
For that reason Froome was better in the ITT of his first Tour than Alberto was.

So in conclusion, Froome at 23 was good enough to be 14th in a TDF itt. Incredible. At the same age, Contador had won mountain stages in TDR and TDS and had already won several ITT's at world tour level. But sure, a 14th in one ITT is a lot more impressive.

 

[Miburo]

So in conclusion, Froome at 23 was good enough to be 14th in a TDF itt. Incredible. At the same age, Contador had won mountain stages in TDR and TDS and had already won several ITT's at world tour level. But sure, a 14th in one ITT is a lot more impressive.

Contador was 24 btw when he top 10'd an ITT in the tour.

There's no way to really prove it i guess but i think it's obvious Contador has more talent, just look at his style

 

[airstream]

Oh boy what's the use of sporadic comparisons? Do different riders progress linearly any time? Who remembers a mega talent Markus Fothen today...

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

thomas dekker was the next off the rank and clearly more talented than wiggins when the road tilted up, and the chrono

Please clarify the point you are trying to make.

 

[Miburo]

Oh boy what's the use of sporadic comparisons? Do different riders progress linearly any time? Who remembers a mega talent Markus Fothen today...

Completely forget about him, what's going with him? i remember that he lost the battle for the white jersey against cunego in tour'06 and well yea that's pretty much it

 

[LaFlorecita]

ou yeah!
For that reason Froome was better in the ITT of his first Tour than Alberto was.

I'm not going to bother with you

Hint: read my post again. carefully.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Good to also see this topic again being hijacked by Contador lovers/non-lovers. Go to the appropriate ones.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Good to also see this topic again being hijacked by Contador lovers/non-lovers. Go to the appropriate ones.

tell that to Big doopie who's whining about him all the time

 

[blackcat]

Please clarify the point you are trying to make.

you are talking funny about Froome. I am talking about the difference doping makes. you go from a future winner like Dekker, like Fothen, to a nobody. Froome got on a good medical program which allowed his talent to shine.

will dekker ride a GT this year? Vuelta?

 

[JimmyFingers]

He got an offer for 100.000 from Sky, an offer from Garmin [Bobby J. is a friend of the clean cycling guru of Garmin] and an offer from Cofidis [Bobby J. also has ties with them, must of course be a coincidence], that's about it.

And then came Pena Cabarga.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=orW9IQqyH1M#t=473s

Great show, Sky tv should get the tv rights.

To think Froome was the English rider to win the Tour within a period of five years is pretty fun.

Yarp, I realise I made this point for you, and it is a solid reason to have suspicions of Froome. The real crux of Froome's performance is clearly the bilharzia, whether you believe he has suffered from it at all and how much it was masking Froome's ability. Another thing to draw in is Froome's shockingly bad technical ability. Dude used to fall over a lot.

But I'm not going to argue that Froome's performances are above suspicion, well because no-one's are

 

[roundabout]

So in conclusion, Froome at 23 was good enough to be 14th in a TDF itt. Incredible. At the same age, Contador had won mountain stages in TDR and TDS and had already won several ITT's at world tour level. But sure, a 14th in one ITT is a lot more impressive.

No, he did not win several ITTs at world tour level by 23.

 

[airstream]

I have a question to our clinics regulars Fearless Greg Lemond, thehog and other critics. What's your version what made Froome let's say one of the best GC's? Doping from the 22th century?

 

[roundabout]

you are talking funny about Froome. I am talking about the difference doping makes. you go from a future winner like Dekker, like Fothen, to a nobody. Froome got on a good medical program which allowed his talent to shine.

will dekker ride a GT this year? Vuelta?

He already did the Giro. Was bad as usual.

 

[The Hitch]

But I'm not going to argue that Froome's performances are above suspicion, well because no-one's are

Froome's suspicion is nothing like anyone else active in cycling and possibly sport with the exception of wiggins. He turned from a very average jo to world's best stage race overnight. Not early in his career neither but midway.
Straight out of a comic book. he is just a guy living his life and then 1 day he wakes up and realizes he has superpowers.

 

[airstream]

Completely forget about him, what's going with him? i remember that he lost the battle for the white jersey against cunego in tour'06 and well yea that's pretty much it

I think he simply lost heart, having ridden clean for a few seasons. He is in a 3 division team now.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Froome's suspicion is nothing like anyone else active in cycling and possibly sport with the exception of wiggins. He turned from a very average jo to world's best stage race overnight. Not early in his career neither but midway.
Straight out of a comic book. he is just a guy living his life and then 1 day he wakes up and realizes he has superpowers.

But that's my point about the bilharzia and its effect, and the fact he could barely stay upright. Jus' sayin'

Unless you think the disease is a total sham.

 

[blackcat]

I think he simply lost heart, having ridden clean for a few seasons. He is in a 3 division team now.

think he won the u23 world tt. then Cunego pumped him in the final chrono of the Tour to whin the white jersey, and that is ALL about recovery doping

 

[veganrob]

But that's my point about the bilharzia and its effect, and the fact he could barely stay upright. Jus' sayin'

Unless you think the disease is a total sham.

Not saying I don't believe in the bilharzia story, It probably is true. It is just that there are no other examples to draw a comparison upon. It is just so convenient. Whereas there are dozens and more examples of dope making a rider something he is not.

 

[Ripper]

Put Froome on Alberto's program and he would not be cranking out 800w attacks. That is because Alberto has more natural talent than Froome.

I think they're both talented riders.

 

[Ferminal]

He already did the Giro. Was bad as usual.

I remember a conversation at the start of last season based on a Vaughters quote along the lines of TD being in top echelon, an immense natural specimen. I said he would do nothing special and a couple of obvious candidates said he would go very well.

Question would be: is there something else affecting him, or was he doping on RB3? His performances the last two years wouldn't dominate the espoirs.

 

[blackcat]

I remember a conversation at the start of last season based on a Vaughters quote along the lines of TD being in top echelon, an immense natural specimen. I said he would do nothing special and a couple of obvious candidates said he would go very well.

Question would be: is there something else affecting him, or was he doping on RB3? His performances the last two years wouldn't dominate the espoirs.

doping since 16 i would posit.