Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[mikeoneill]

A cound coin.

a dawg pound

 

[Will Carter]

Because they are at a disadvantage to begin with as they cannot breath.

It's the Froome types who need to be reigned in.

Ah yes, but who does it benefit more?

What about those of us with a low Hematocrit? Surely we are at a disadvantage since we can't transport oxygen in our blood as well as others? So we should be able to use EPO - yes?

Now - I don't necessarily agree with what I said, but you can see what I am trying to get at, can't you?

 

[thehog]

Ah yes, but who does it benefit more?

What about those of us with a low Hematocrit? Surely we are at a disadvantage since we can't transport oxygen in our blood as well as others? So we should be able to use EPO - yes?

Now - I don't necessarily agree with what I said, but you can see what I am trying to get at, can't you?

Yes. Why do the people in wheelchairs get to have all the fun?

 

[mikeoneill]

does wiggins use his inhaler on the climbs?

 

[Will Carter]

Yes. Why do the people in wheelchairs get to have all the fun?

Not quite getting your response there ... but, I think you know get what I'm on about.

The 'List' and TUEs, etc. are a minefield.

I also think this inhaler thing is a huge red herring - its not banned except in certain doses. If CF is bonkers enough to puff 20 times on a stage then so be it. But in the context of what everyone is saying about his rise to fame this is neither the magic bullet nor the smoking gun in my view.

 

[BYOP88]

does wiggins use his inhaler on the climbs?

Only after he's had a pint and cigarette, never before.

 

[Will Carter]

Only after he's had a pint and cigarette, never before.

"Like" .

 

[thehog]

Not quite getting your response there ... but, I think you know get what I'm on about.

The 'List' and TUEs, etc. are a minefield.

I also think this inhaler thing is a huge red herring - its not banned except in certain doses. If CF is bonkers enough to puff 20 times on a stage then so be it. But in the context of what everyone is saying about his rise to fame this is neither the magic bullet nor the smoking gun in my view.

Of course it's not.

But what is a smoking gun is the fact he choose to not disclose until captured on film 15km from the final climb. The fact that he listed through all his health issues in his book and failed to mention asthma is most odd.

Froome's rise to fame is the subject of much debate and not even the Bots knew he had asthma. Everytime Froome mentioned coughing it was always in relation to Badzhilla. Now that same coughing is linked to asthma.

So which is it? Coughing due to Badzhilla or asthma or both together?

It's just another fact to add long list of Froome-isms that just don't add up. Together turning him into a total fraud.

 

[doperhopper]

Only 1 Kilo? He should just go for broke. Lose 10-20 more kilos or officially get down to 0% body fat. Whichever comes first.

just a little warning - be careful not to descend to a negative weight, this is banned by UCI

 

[bewildered]

Think I go with that what was reported in a article than you opinion dude. They would have no reason just to invent asthma

Fair enough, everyone entitled to their opinion.

I note the BE article, I just don't attach too much weight to it when no other journalists, cycling or general, have made reference to asthma at that race, before or since and neither did Sky's sporting director at the time (who appears to contradict her imo).

She may have just got her wires crossed or heard it from an unofficial source or hearsay. I am not suggesting for a second she made it up herself. I agree she would have no reason to do that.

 

[Hawkwood]

If those that have asthma can use it, why should only they get they advantage?

Am I really bothering to answer this? The `advantage' for an asthmatic is that his or her lung function might not be quite so compromised if they take the reliever inhaler prior to, or during an attack. Given that many asthmatics also have hay fever, alergic rhinitus, decreasing peak flow and other related ailments, they would probably readily swap the `advantage' of having to use inhalers for a completely asthma free life.

 

[Benotti69]

Of course it's not.

But what is a smoking gun is the fact he choose to not disclose until captured on film 15km from the final climb. The fact that he listed through all his health issues in his book and failed to mention asthma is most odd.

Froome's rise to fame is the subject of much debate and not even the Bots knew he had asthma. Everytime Froome mentioned coughing it was always in relation to Badzhilla. Now that same coughing is linked to asthma.

So which is it? Coughing due to Badzhilla or asthma or both together?

It's just another fact to add long list of Froome-isms that just don't add up. Together turning him into a total fraud.

Which also points to Sky, Wiggins, Leinders, Jullich, De jong and all the other things that dont add up.

That Sky dont add up in cycling is doping.

 

[thehog]

Which also points to Sky, Wiggins, Leinders, Jullich, De jong and all the other things that dont add up.

That Sky dont add up in cycling is doping.

Well they keep using phrases like "transparency", "zero tolerance", "I don't know how to be any cleaner" etc. without actually doing anything to demonstrate that they are or that they are any different from any other doped team in history.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

You talking about asthma?

They just gave away he had it by giving him an inhaler to use in front of the whole peloton.

I don't believe you've thought this through.

The debate was how could asthma not be mentioned specifically as the illness connected with withdrawing from a US race. I gave a couple of reasons why medical bulletins may be less than comprehensive.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Of course it's not.

But what is a smoking gun is the fact he choose to not disclose until captured on film 15km from the final climb. The fact that he listed through all his health issues in his book and failed to mention asthma is most odd.

Froome's rise to fame is the subject of much debate and not even the Bots knew he had asthma. Everytime Froome mentioned coughing it was always in relation to Badzhilla. Now that same coughing is linked to asthma.

So which is it? Coughing due to Badzhilla or asthma or both together?

It's just another fact to add long list of Froome-isms that just don't add up. Together turning him into a total fraud.

This is the second time you've accused Froome of lying about having asthma. The first time, the post was demolished as fiction.

Can you back up your claim, or is this yet more terminological inexactitudes?

 

[Benotti69]

This is the second time you've accused Froome of lying about having asthma. The first time, the post was demolished as fiction.

Can you back up your claim, or is this yet more terminological inexactitudes?

Why not repost the 'demolished as fiction' then?

 

[bewildered]

This is the second time you've accused Froome of lying about having asthma. The first time, the post was demolished as fiction.

Can you back up your claim, or is this yet more terminological inexactitudes?

where in the post you quoted did he accuse froome of lying about asthma? He said he failed to mention it in his book and asked the question which disease is responsible for all the coughing?

 

[Beech Mtn]

Where is Froome's power meter?

 

[Ventoux Boar]

In response to the "how can you say that?" posts above

[QUOTE=thehog;1486821]There's a good reason for that.

Because it almost impossible to do what Froome did yesterday with his inhaler. Anyone with asthma knows the moment you take a puff is when you're stationary or going very slow, like during a natural break. Nobody with real asthma tries to take a "puff" when they are going full speed in a charging peloton.

Why? Because you have to inhale the contents deep in your lungs and that's hard to do when you're already breathing quickly from exertion. You literally can't get it down and it does nothing at all. You can also drop your pump and cause carnage behind you.

Asthma medication is preventive. You take it before you go cycling or during the opening kilometers. Never before a big exertion as it raises your heart rate.

Many Pros will use their pumps but only before the start and/or in he opening slower portions/feed stops/natural breaks. And that's totally normal.

What Froome did was not normal use of asthma medication hence why he wouldn't tell you which one it was because he knows they are all mostly "preventive" medications.

Froome doesn't have asthma. Simple as that. The guy is young to use every advantage he can get, legal and non-legal.[/QUOTE]

The medical 'facts' were subsequently demolished. And to suggest that the posts since are not in support of the bolded is double-talk of the highest order.

 

[bewildered]

In response to the "how can you say that?" posts above

[QUOTE=thehog;1486821]There's a good reason for that.

Because it almost impossible to do what Froome did yesterday with his inhaler. Anyone with asthma knows the moment you take a puff is when you're stationary or going very slow, like during a natural break. Nobody with real asthma tries to take a "puff" when they are going full speed in a charging peloton.

Why? Because you have to inhale the contents deep in your lungs and that's hard to do when you're already breathing quickly from exertion. You literally can't get it down and it does nothing at all. You can also drop your pump and cause carnage behind you.

Asthma medication is preventive. You take it before you go cycling or during the opening kilometers. Never before a big exertion as it raises your heart rate.

Many Pros will use their pumps but only before the start and/or in he opening slower portions/feed stops/natural breaks. And that's totally normal.

What Froome did was not normal use of asthma medication hence why he wouldn't tell you which one it was because he knows they are all mostly "preventive" medications.

Froome doesn't have asthma. Simple as that. The guy is young to use every advantage he can get, legal and non-legal.

The medical 'facts' were subsequently demolished. And to suggest that the posts since are not in support of the bolded is double-talk of the highest order.[/QUOTE]

I didn't suggest that. I asked you where in the earlier post you quoted did he call Froome a liar (for the second time as you put it)

 

[red_flanders]

I haven't read all of the above, but how could anyone here know, given the state of doctors on teams, whether a cyclist has asthma or not? This goes to claims he doesn't have it as well as claims that it can be proven he does.

There's simply no way to prove it either way.

 

[peloton]

Just watched todays Dauphine stage. Our commentator, who's usually pretty neutral, had a nice small dig at Froome saying he's not the most esthetic
riders to watch, especially with his position, but that he still has more power than anyone.

Made me laugh out loud



Gotta wonder how fast would he be if properly dialed in?!

 

[del1962]

Where is Froome's power meter?

Probably on the bike that is on top of the car after he switched bikes.

 

[hiero2]

golem LOTR

What an interesting resemblance to Froomey-boy.

Does he also suffer from bilasthmia?

 

[hiero2]

I haven't read all of the above, but how could anyone here know, given the state of doctors on teams, whether a cyclist has asthma or not? This goes to claims he doesn't have it as well as claims that it can be proven he does.

There's simply no way to prove it either way.

Even a doctor may not be able to prove the presence of asthma. They often only prescribe based on self-described symptoms and/or problems. A doctor can be deceived.