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Walkman said:
Hater much?

You do know that people can improve right? And it's not like every pro cyclist are 100% dedicated and training perfectly their entire careers. People can improve significantly even late in their careers by applying the right (non-doping) methods.

And to clarify, not saying Froome is clean, but your statement is showing a lack of understanding of the body and of the athletes. I'd say for most of the riders, the limiting factor is their dedication and will to improve. There is a huge difference, even among pro athletes, with regards to how serious they take their training and how much they dedicate to improve.
Hitch is pretty much saying he was doped in 2008 on 8 stages of the TDF:D

Which imo is a pretty dumb statement from him, perhapas he was exagerrating for effect, but to be honest, such exagerrations is pretty tiresome, but hey its Froome and the clinic so who cares:D
 
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del1962 said:
Hitch is pretty much saying he was doped in 2008 on 8 stages of the TDF:D

Which imo is a pretty dumb statement from him, perhapas he was exagerrating for effect, but to be honest, such exagerrations is pretty tiresome, but hey its Froome and the clinic so who cares:D
You obviously do as all you do is post in Sky threads.......
 
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The Hitch said:
Oh but he wouldn't touch a snickers. Pff. Good lord.
I distinctly remember the Snickers quote from a late-90s MTB magazine interview with TF. No snickers, but probably no aversion to needles at the time. Or, who knows, maybe Evans early MTB years were PED-free.
 
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jam pants said:
I distinctly remember the Snickers quote from a late-90s MTB magazine interview with TF. No snickers, but probably no aversion to needles at the time. Or, who knows, maybe Evans early MTB years were PED-free.
If it was 90s then the snickers would have been known as a marathon in any self-respecting part of the world.
 
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Am I the only one, or does any one else get the feeling Froome has cooled down on the Martian juice he was gulping down in 2011-2013? I think the warnings were already there from UCI and co and it was dialed down begining of 2014. Then the TUE incident happened and the eyes of WADA stepped in flagging UCI hey, have we got another Armstrong here? some one who plays UCI? So he was warned to really cool it off? he looks pretty normal to me in the last few months, does not seem as mentally confident as before.

Either that or the Alien juice has it crest off zone after which you only get marginal gains from it.
 
BigMac said:
Maybe he is referring to the pre-Sky era. Sky might have been able to provide Chris with the training methods and mentality that Barloworld did not. Take Joaquim Agostinho for instance, who started cycling at the age of 25. He came 'out of nowhere' to win a few races, get a contract with Sporting Clube de Portugal, shine in the National scene by winning three times the National Championships (which did not mean much compared to what he would accomplish in the future) if I'm not mistaken, and then, once signed with Frimatic the following year, he proceeded to win two stages in Le Tour and finish eight in the General Classification, which could have been better had he the built anatomy of a climber (something Froome, though unorthodox, has) - journo Pierre Martin wrote: ''Built like a sprinter, he was no good at sprinting. He was one of the great climbers''. This was in '69. I highly doubt he was doped at least in his first year in the international scene, the thing is, he shown talent in the past, as Froome. Had Sky existed in 2008 and Froome gone there instead of Barloworld, perhaps we would not see it as a major discrepancy in results after he switched teams, but rather a rider with a gradual improvement from that same year to his second place in the Vuelta, in 2011. He would have provided results that would not make us question it. And while he didn't deliver at Barloworld, he improved as a rider enough to the point of Sky being able to turn him into a GC contender in two years. That still leaves 2010, his first year with Sky, with semewhat overall poor results, the best being his second place at the National ITT Championships. This can, perhaps, be explained by it being his first year with the team, and also the first year of Sky's cycling project. In 2011 he had some interesting GC results prior to the Vuelta, and some bad ones, which takes us to his known case of inconsistency. The fact is, there was inconsistency, which doesn't allow for an objective judgement on whether he went from crap to uber just like that. In the performances prior to the Vuelta, he was crap-good-crap-good-crap-crap-uber, which is different.
 
jilbiker said:
....have we got another Armstrong here? some one who plays UCI? So he was warned to really cool it off? he looks pretty normal to me in the last few months, does not seem as mentally confident as before.

Either that or the Alien juice has it crest off zone after which you only get marginal gains from it.
Well, the UCI were directly involved in the fraud going to great lengths to protect Wonderboy until the Doprah interview. Then suddenly, CYA mode. Cookson's commission has already plainly supported Wonderboy.

I'd say he's very well above normal. He wouldn't be a GC contender if he was normal-ish. I made the same mistake a while ago and someone corrected me.
 
Walkman said:
Hater much?

You do know that people can improve right? And it's not like every pro cyclist are 100% dedicated and training perfectly their entire careers. People can improve significantly even late in their careers by applying the right (non-doping) methods.

And to clarify, not saying Froome is clean, but your statement is showing a lack of understanding of the body and of the athletes. I'd say for most of the riders, the limiting factor is their dedication and will to improve. There is a huge difference, even among pro athletes, with regards to how serious they take their training and how much they dedicate to improve.
Not aplicable to Froome. There is not one single example in history like Froome. It has to be shown at early age even if not trying hard.

You have to prove now that he was not trying.

The only example that somebody brought up from Cycling history was Urs Zimmerman. But he started late. Soler also started late but he was good from the get go. And he never was a GT contender.
 
Walkman said:
You do know that people can improve right? And it's not like every pro cyclist are 100% dedicated and training perfectly their entire careers. People can improve significantly even late in their careers by applying the right (non-doping) methods.
sure, just ask Horner, right?

:rolleyes:
 
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Escarabajo said:
The only example that somebody brought up from Cycling history was Urs Zimmerman. But he started late. Soler also started late but he was good from the get go. And he never was a GT contender.
Zimmermann was a high-profile swiss amateur in 1982 (he was 22). He started as a neo-pro at 23 and whent 24 he was already winning le Tour de Suisse, his national tour for the n°1 Swiss team. That's a bit better than the Jock Race Classic. At 26 he was 3rd of the 1986 Tour dominated by Hinault & Lemond. That was his carreer's peak.
To sum it up, Zimmermann was a high-profile amateur and won a major race at 24. He progressed a lot but never won or dominated a a Grand Tour and never was the n°1 rider in the World.
Conclusion: Zimmermann can not be compared to Froome
 
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Zimmermann was a high-profile swiss amateur in 1982 (he was 22). He started as a neo-pro at 23 and whent 24 he was already winning le Tour de Suisse, his national tour for the n°1 Swiss team. That's a bit better than the Jock Race Classic. At 26 he was 3rd of the 1986 Tour dominated by Hinault & Lemond. That was his carreer's peak.
To sum it up, Zimmermann was a high-profile amateur and won a major race at 24. He progressed a lot but never won or dominated a a Grand Tour and never was the n°1 rider in the World.
Conclusion: Zimmermann can not be compared to Froome
Zimmerman was also a strange guy, used to follow a kind of paleolithic diet, nuts, organic fruits and so on. He wasn't fond of needles / pills and I remember riders laughing at him because he didn't "prepare" well enough.
 
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Cycling news live feed said:
Froome comes in with a time of 48:34. That's not a good ride from the Briton, considering he's a TT specialist.
This has bothered me for a long time. The assumption that Froome is a TT specialist, that is, if he crushes a time trial then that's to be expected, nothing to see here, move along, that's what he's always been good at.

In reality, he wasn't good at it before his transformation, just like he wasn't a good climber. If the post transformation period defines the type of rider he is, he should be called a climbing specialist. Because he was actually the best climber in the world, with some distance, for a prolonged period of time. Whereas with time trialling, there have always been a few people like Wiggins and Martin who were slightly better.
 
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hfer07 said:
Has the Alien lost his powers? :confused:

today's ITT was "normal" ...
In my opinion he has lost power, confidence and team backing..

Signs have been there for a while, but to me the cardinal point was how I saw him at Dauphine..
He is gonna need a necromancer and a lot of bad luck to his competitors to win this... I doubt he will even podium..
 
Well, today's ITT was fairly technical, and no matter how many spells you cast on Froome's pillows, he ain't a good bike handler. Plus it's impossible to know how much his injury has affected his form.

But yeah, he hasn't looked quite as strong this year even before his crashes.
 
hfer07 said:
Has the Alien lost his powers? :confused:

today's ITT was "normal" ...
It's just like 2012, then he also started the Vuelta strongly before he faded completely.

Most Sky riders simply don't last an entire season due their ridiculous training. Actually, most of them seems burned out by June.
 
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mrhender said:
In my opinion he has lost power, confidence and team backing..

Signs have been there for a while, but to me the cardinal point was how I saw him at Dauphine..
He is gonna need a necromancer and a lot of bad luck to his competitors to win this... I doubt he will even podium..
It won't stop the thread growing and growing
 

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