Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[LaFlorecita]

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So the difference is, everyone else is maintaining omerta and only saying they are riding clean when asked, yet Team Sky say they are riding clean before they are asked so are obliged to release data to prove it?

In the vastly illogical World of the clinic, saying you're riding clean when asked is fine, but saying you're riding clean when not asked is mightily suspicious and demand threads at least several 1000 pages long of looping discussion going nowhere?

After the extraordinary weird maths you were offering in the Thomas thread, do you really think you are in a position to lecture people about logic?

So are you saying you would believe the man who said he didn't screw your wife when you ask him more than man who says he'll never screw your wife before you ask him? It's a subtle difference, but hardly illogical.

uhmm it's more like some dude shouting from the roof tops that "no I never ever screwed your wife don't you worry" which would raise some eyebrows for sure.
Whereas in the other situation there is a suspicion and the person answers. Whether you believe that answer is up to you.

 

[blackcat]

 

[blackcat]

 

[Biggut]

Does the gearing that the wattage is applied to have any impact upon speed?

 

[Tommy79]

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So the difference is, everyone else is maintaining omerta and only saying they are riding clean when asked, yet Team Sky say they are riding clean before they are asked so are obliged to release data to prove it?

In the vastly illogical World of the clinic, saying you're riding clean when asked is fine, but saying you're riding clean when not asked is mightily suspicious and demand threads at least several 1000 pages long of looping discussion going nowhere?

After the extraordinary weird maths you were offering in the Thomas thread, do you really think you are in a position to lecture people about logic?

So are you saying you would believe the man who said he didn't screw your wife when you ask him more than man who says he'll never screw your wife before you ask him? It's a subtle difference, but hardly illogical.

uhmm it's more like some dude shouting from the roof tops that "no I never ever screwed your wife don't you worry" which would raise some eyebrows for sure.
Whereas in the other situation there is a suspicion and the person answers. Whether you believe that answer is up to you.

Of course in this scenario your wife is a massive tart who has a long history of sleeping around.... so maybe saying "I'm the only one who hasn't slept with your wife" is not so strange.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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So the difference is, everyone else is maintaining omerta and only saying they are riding clean when asked, yet Team Sky say they are riding clean before they are asked so are obliged to release data to prove it?

In the vastly illogical World of the clinic, saying you're riding clean when asked is fine, but saying you're riding clean when not asked is mightily suspicious and demand threads at least several 1000 pages long of looping discussion going nowhere?

After the extraordinary weird maths you were offering in the Thomas thread, do you really think you are in a position to lecture people about logic?

So are you saying you would believe the man who said he didn't screw your wife when you ask him more than man who says he'll never screw your wife before you ask him? It's a subtle difference, but hardly illogical.

uhmm it's more like some dude shouting from the roof tops that "no I never ever screwed your wife don't you worry" which would raise some eyebrows for sure.
Whereas in the other situation there is a suspicion and the person answers. Whether you believe that answer is up to you.

Of course in this scenario your wife is a massive tart who has a long history of sleeping around.... so maybe saying "I'm the only one who hasn't slept with your wife" is not so strange.

And then that person starts telling lies and making claims that are obviously false .... hmmmmmm

 

[blackcat]

Peter Kennaugh

 

[Franklin]

Hey Blackcat, enough already, I need to bleach my eyes

 

[Pricey_sky]

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So Brailsford is proved right all along - it was utterly pointless releasing data, because people will see what they want to see from it

The treatment of Froome has been dusgusting the last few days. I think he's handled it exceptionally well personally

I want to see dopers named and shamed. But this lynch mentality is out of hand and I think actually damages the credibility of those seeking the truth about performance

Froome is only getting what he deserves. He is the biggest fraud in cycling history and him and Team Sky have been insulting everyones intelligence with their lies for the past 4 years.

I hope Team Sky get busted soon so we can get back to watching some real cycling.

Going by that logic if 'everyone gets what they deserve' there will only be about 50 pro peloton riders left to take part in the sport. Is that real cycling that you mean?

Sky perhaps maybe the worst of a bad bunch, but if your wiping the slate clean it's a huge task! Sky won't fall on their own, and I believe Astana would be first to get busted anyway.

 

[hrotha]

Does the gearing that the wattage is applied to have any impact upon speed?

Well, if you're on too small a gear, you simply won't be able to apply all the watts you can produce and you'll go slower. Other than that, no.

 

[SkyTears]

i wonder why 2-3rd tier riders SRM always read huge data. maybe "calibration" to get some extra $ on their contracts?

 

[Saint Unix]

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i wonder why 2-3rd tier riders SRM always read huge data. maybe "calibration" to get some extra $ on their contracts?

"Calibration" to get some extra $ on his contract is what Froome did to himself in 2011.

 

[samhocking]

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Peter Kennaugh

Jeezus, you can find pictures of riders from the 60's with veins like this. Crikey there's guys in local cycling clubs all over the countryside every sunday run with veins like this. Totally pointless using it to justify anything!

 

[samhocking]

Was Fausto Coppi on lipotropin or another peptide too and a Sky rider?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Was Fausto Coppi on lipotropin or another peptide too and a Sky rider?

I think you can see the difference? Some veins standing out vs all veins not just standing out but bulging.

 

[Saint Unix]

The lighting isn't doing Kennaugh any favours, to be fair.

 

[samhocking]

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Was Fausto Coppi on lipotropin or another peptide too and a Sky rider?

I think you can see the difference? Some veins standing out vs all veins not just standing out but bulging.

Bullsh!t. So there's a 'bulge ratio' now to determine peptide guiltiness in the Clinic? Do you have a bulge swatch I can print off and use against riders legs and send the evidence to WADA lol - Pathetic barrel scraping, that's all it is.

 

[hrotha]

Hey guys, maybe we should stop discussing these ancillary matters and not let us be distracted from the meatier and incontrovertible stuff.

 

[blackcat]

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The lighting isn't doing Kennaugh any favours, to be fair.

not a criticism of PK.

just making a point, they are losing the weight from new development peptides, that is how PK loses 7 kgs within 2 months from cycling world champs riding a team pursuit, and then lining up for a Tour at 7kgs lighter.

that is how vroome goes from 71/72kg at 6'1" fit, riding top 30 in the TdF in his first GT for Barloworld, fit, lean, and thin, and loses the weight from these same peptides to come in at 65/66kg and guess what height? Yep, he lost 3 inches too on his height!

Rasmussen did not get those veins. Sean Kelly did have decent calve veins. Hincapie had rear(soleus) vericose non-varicose veings. looked like a baby snake coiled up on his calf.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Did you guys see this. I wonder if Froome will indeed allow himself to be tested independently to shut up the doping critics?:


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/column-important-not-let-armstrong-ruin-tour-again-160153439--spt.html

 

[samhocking]

That dirty bulge ratio busting Hoogerland wants to sprinkle a few less Sky peptides on his omlette in the morning too!

 

[Cycle Chic]

I reckon when we find out what Mo Farah is on - we will find out what Froome is on.

Wonder what Farah's max heart rate is.

 

[samhocking]

I hope Quintana puts 1:30 into Froome in the Alps, then we can see how Moviestar explains such unbelievable performance to the Clinic lol!

 

[Tommy79]

Did you guys see this. I wonder if Froome will indeed allow himself to be tested independently to shut up the doping critics?:


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/column-important-not-let-armstrong-ruin-tour-again-160153439--spt.html

Laurens Ten Dam tried that, gave a guy unlimited access. All he got at the end was something along the lines of "No evidence of doping but can't prove you are clean"

Depressing, but that is where the science is. Would a similar result for Froome change a single mind?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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I hope Quintana puts 1:30 into Froome in the Alps, then we can see how Moviestar explains such unbelievable performance to the Clinic lol!

You sound a little frustrated, Sam. What's wrong?