Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Cycle Chic]

Pierre Sallett short video in L'Equipe

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Sky-publie-des-donnees-de-froome/575800

 

[samhocking]

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I hope Quintana puts 1:30 into Froome in the Alps, then we can see how Moviestar explains such unbelievable performance to the Clinic lol!

You sound a little frustrated, Sam. What's wrong?

No, I want Quintana to cheat and win, I have £50 on him lol! Their explanation will be very entertaining here!

 

[the sceptic]

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I hope Quintana puts 1:30 into Froome in the Alps, then we can see how Moviestar explains such unbelievable performance to the Clinic lol!

movistar: "Quintana is a natural talent, altitude native, naturaly high hematocrit, he also had a tailwind and Vayer is wrong with his estimates"

the clinic: "haha, what a bunch of crap, he is obviously doping"

no one: "but he is british so he must be clean"

 

[blackcat]

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Jonny Testosteronny FTW!

That dirty bulge ratio busting Hoogerland wants to sprinkle a few less Sky peptides on his omlette in the morning too!

 

[Chaddy]

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I hope Quintana puts 1:30 into Froome in the Alps, then we can see how Moviestar explains such unbelievable performance to the Clinic lol!

movistar: "Quintana is a natural talent, altitude native, naturaly high hematocrit, he also had a tailwind and Vayer is wrong with his estimates"

the clinic: "haha, what a bunch of crap, he is obviously doping but he isn't British or riding for sky so we don't really care that much "

 

[gillan1969]

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I hope Quintana puts 1:30 into Froome in the Alps, then we can see how Moviestar explains such unbelievable performance to the Clinic lol!

You sound a little frustrated, Sam. What's wrong?

No, I want Quintana to cheat and win, I have £50 on him lol! Their explanation will be very entertaining here!

eh.....he's a tiny wee columbian who can climb really fast...as wee columbians have always done..PEDS or no PEDS

when he is putting 1.30 into froome AND beating Tony Martin in a time trial you can get back to us...

oh...and for reference...i think he is about the same age now as Froome was in his breakthrough year (2011) and both had/have 4 ish years in the European peloton...now...have a quick compare and contrast over how those 4 years went for both...

 

[Melo]

"Alberto open to transparency - Alberto Contador open to sharing power data"

Your move Froome and Sky.

 

[BYOP88]

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I hope Quintana puts 1:30 into Froome in the Alps, then we can see how Moviestar explains such unbelievable performance to the Clinic lol!

You sound a little frustrated, Sam. What's wrong?

No, I want Quintana to cheat and win, I have £50 on him lol! Their explanation will be very entertaining here!

Who do you mean when you say their?

 

[hrotha]

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"Alberto open to transparency - Alberto Contador open to sharing power data"

Your move Froome and Sky.

Huh? Contador didn't make a move. He said that maybe he'd perhaps consider the possibility of eventually thinking about deciding to share his data.

 

[BYOP88]

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"Alberto open to transparency - Alberto Contador open to sharing power data"

Your move Froome and Sky.

Huh? Contador didn't make a move. He said that maybe he'd perhaps consider the possibility of eventually thinking about deciding to share his data.

Hasn't he said that before too?

 

[samhocking]

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I hope Quintana puts 1:30 into Froome in the Alps, then we can see how Moviestar explains such unbelievable performance to the Clinic lol!

You sound a little frustrated, Sam. What's wrong?

No, I want Quintana to cheat and win, I have £50 on him lol! Their explanation will be very entertaining here!

eh.....he's a tiny wee columbian who can climb really fast...as wee columbians have always done..PEDS or no PEDS

when he is putting 1.30 into froome AND beating Tony Martin in a time trial you can get back to us...

oh...and for reference...i think he is about the same age now as Froome was in his breakthrough year (2011) and both had/have 4 ish years in the European peloton...now...have a quick compare and contrast over how those 4 years went for both...

So if Froome had won more over a longer, smooth, exponentially rising career progression, he would be considered less-suspicious rider today when gaining 1:30 over Quintana who does fit the required palamares?

 

[The Hitch]

Nope. Quintana is still eligible for the young riders jersey. Froome at that age was hanging on to motorbikes to get over the climbs.

Oh that's right, I forgot, I've read this part of Froome's book and he explains what really happened that day. See, he had a knee injury and about 200 different diseases and illnesses all at once, and it was too cold and there were too many flat stages and he really really didn't want to hold onto the motorbike, he wanted to climb to the top himself, because he is a man of honour, but the evil motorcycle man kept looking at him with guilty eyes and practically forced Froome to hold onto the motorcycle, until Froome was so overrun with guilt that he had to stretch out his cold half dead hand and grab hold of the motorcycle.

And even then he was going to tell the motorcycle man - this isn't right, i need to climb to the top myself, but literally the moment he took hold of the motorcycle, there was a dud and sirens started screeching and flashlights went on and from all directions The Carabinieri came in vehicles and helicopters and on foot. And they made a show of arresting poor Froome as if he had done something against the rules of the sport like hold onto a motorcyle. It all happened so quickly the motorcycle man had set him up, radioing his friends the second he managed to finally managed to trick this innocent foreigner to put his hand on the motorcycle

Whatever you say about Froome you can never say he's the type of guy who always has an excuse. Nope, he's the guy who always has about 50 excuses.

 

[lovealiens]

I think team sky should have vetted their data before releasing it relating to other climbers who already released their data!! It makes it look like a joke.

http://sportsscientists.com/2015/07/great-power-great-responsibility-less-power-greater-speeds/

 

[gazr99]

Did you guys see this. I wonder if Froome will indeed allow himself to be tested independently to shut up the doping critics?:


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/column-important-not-let-armstrong-ruin-tour-again-160153439--spt.html

They still won't believe it if he did. It will be the independent testers are in Sky's pocket excuse

 

[samhocking]

So a smooth career progression to the top is required in the clinic. I struggle to find a rider with a smooth career progression who won the Tour de France and never got busted, so what is the point of this argument?

 

[blackcat]

Sam Hocking, Johnny Hoogerland is a very poor example for you to make, it is no coincidence his nickname is Johnny Testosteronny in the peloton. alot like Dr Dave Bruylandts.

choose a different example that does not have the nickname of an egregious doper appellation

 

[blackcat]

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So a smooth career progression to the top is required in the clinic. I struggle to find a rider with a smooth career progression who won the Tour de France and never got busted, so what is the point of this argument?

most think all dope at the pointy end. The Clinic 12 reckon about all the top 30 will be on PEDs. so please, we aint generalising on Sky and Sky only. We are generalising on all of those at the front, and all the sprinters who win, and Sagan...

 

[lovealiens]

Froome Video of Mont Ventuox with power on it

http://www.lemonde.fr/tour-de-france/article/2015/07/15/tour-de-france-la-video-qui-fait-peur-au-clan-froome_4683745_1616918.html

 

[hrotha]

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So a smooth career progression to the top is required in the clinic. I struggle to find a rider with a smooth career progression who won the Tour de France and never got busted, so what is the point of this argument?

Not so much a smooth progression as clear signs of early talent. You can't be the greatest athlete in the last 25 years and not show any of that promise in your youth.

 

[gazr99]

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So a smooth career progression to the top is required in the clinic. I struggle to find a rider with a smooth career progression who won the Tour de France and never got busted, so what is the point of this argument?

Not so much a smooth progression as clear signs of early talent. You can't be the greatest athlete in the last 25 years and not show any of that promise in your youth.

What with the support of the massive Kenyan Cycling Association? Even those with talent are nurtured and have elite coaches from an early age. It's not like he couldn't even make it as a pro with the little support he had

 

[TourOfSardinia]

New from the BBC
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/cycling/33618766

The French doctor who claimed Chris Froome's summit victory on stage 10 of the Tour de France was "abnormal" wants Team Sky to provide more details on their rider to prove he is "unique".

Physiologist Pierre Sallet insisted the data he has on Froome is accurate, despite Team Sky boss Dave Brailsford saying it was "wildly wrong".

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Speaking on BBC Radio 5 live, Sallet, who is head of Athletes for Transparency, a not for profit anti-doping agency, added: "I don't say Froome is a doping athlete. If we have more detail, we can easily say it is a unique profile or doping.

"It could be a unique profile, classical doping, using haematological drugs, like EPO, or mechanical doping - using a motor in your bike. People need to know."

 

[samhocking]

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So a smooth career progression to the top is required in the clinic. I struggle to find a rider with a smooth career progression who won the Tour de France and never got busted, so what is the point of this argument?

most think all dope at the pointy end. The Clinic 12 reckon about all the top 30 will be on PEDs. so please, we aint generalising on Sky and Sky only. We are generalising on all of those at the front, and all the sprinters who win, and Sagan...

I'm aware of that, but if your belief is the top 30 are on PEDs based on erroneous observations like less-than perfect palamares, vein bulginess, time gains or comparing todays peloton to that of cycling's past it seems like a belief based on the logic of a type of religion and not the evidence in front of you and I'm not comfortable when belief-alone is used to accuse someone of something they can't prove because it requires the evidence of absence, which is simply impossible.

 

[lovealiens]

They are back peddling (excuse the pun) because there data doesn't correlate with the other riders who already released the data for that climb.

 

[Tommy79]

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Nope. Quintana is still eligible for the young riders jersey. Froome at that age was hanging on to motorbikes to get over the climbs.

Motorbikes?

 

[Dr.Guess]

I hope Quintana puts 1:30 into Froome in the Alps, then we can see how Moviestar explains such unbelievable performance to the Clinic lol!

movistar: "Quintana is a natural talent, altitude native, naturaly high hematocrit, he also had a tailwind and Vayer is wrong with his estimates"

the clinic: "haha, what a bunch of crap, he is obviously doping"

no one: "but he is british so he must be clean"