Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Taxus4a]

I consider decline is what Tony Gallipin did, or even Gesink, but no Froome.

Tony Gallopin showed that first mountain stage is not for pure climbers if is after a long and demanding first weak.

To think that a Tour is for climbers just becouse there is no ITT is a mistake.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

NEWSFLASH: We are still in the EPO era.

Your welcome.

Only uncool kids dope nowadays, real guys, represented by Carera and so, and Pat's son, do only magical gains.

Froome having a bad day? Uh uh, charades. He learns quick, in this tour he has become a cobblestone specialist, a puncheur, a downhill specialist and now a Lance/Big Mig imitator.

 

[Saint Unix]

That is not true, there is a fact that most of riders finish Tour now with 40 hematocric.. In the EPO era a lot were at 50 or more, and that is the difference between EPO era and this era.

Yoy can especulate if the peloton is totally clean or not but you cant deny a fact.

I have a poster of Indurain in my room, but I think that although he has an amazing breast and heart, EPO era was there and Sabino Padilla was his doctor...

Has it occurred to you that riders are smarter about their blood values now than when there were no limitations?

Apparently all you have to do now is blood dope, perform like a superstar, and then do a saline bag or two to bring the blood values down, point to the decreasing values and people will say you're clean. Riders have been fooling the bio passport for years, despite being doped to their eyeballs.

 

[Ripper]

That is not true, there is a fact that most of riders finish Tour now with 40 hematocric.. In the EPO era a lot were at 50 or more, and that is the difference between EPO era and this era.

Yoy can especulate if the peloton is totally clean or not but you cant deny a fact.

I have a poster of Indurain in my room, but I think that although he has an amazing breast and heart, EPO era was there and Sabino Padilla was his doctor...

Has it occurred to you that riders are smarter about their blood values now than when there were no limitations?

Apparently all you have to do now is blood dope, perform like a superstar, and then do a saline bag or two to bring the blood values down, point to the decreasing values and people will say you're clean. Riders have been fooling the bio passport for years, despite being doped to their eyeballs.

Taxus4a is so late 90's in his thinking! Folks have been controlling hct for quite a number of years.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

That is not true, there is a fact that most of riders finish Tour now with 40 hematocric.. In the EPO era a lot were at 50 or more, and that is the difference between EPO era and this era.

Yoy can especulate if the peloton is totally clean or not but you cant deny a fact.

I have a poster of Indurain in my room, but I think that although he has an amazing breast and heart, EPO era was there and Sabino Padilla was his doctor...

The argument isn't whether riders have more or less than 50% hematorcrit, it is whether or not we are still in the EPO era.

We are still in the EPO era.

 

[GTO]

I couldn't watch the TDF after week one. It's so blatantly obvious that Froome is doping. A few of my observations and ideas:

- Froome stares at his power meter to ensure he isn't going too fast. His juice is so damn good that he has to slow down to keep the race mildly entertaining. Heck, he can destroy the competition at 160 beats a minute. Froome could've won by several more minutes.
- Froome will never be busted under Cookson's watch. Cookson= The Manchurian Candidate for Team Sky.
- I wonder if pre-Tour there had been some sort of "gentleman's agreement" made between the favorite in regards to riding clean. Nibali was obviously pissed at Froome early in the competition. My thoughts are that Nibali was irked that Super-Froome didn't follow through with the deal.

 

[Saint Unix]

Re:

I couldn't watch the TDF after week one. It's so blatantly obvious that Froome is doping. A few of my observations and ideas:

- Froome stares at his power meter to ensure he isn't going too fast. His juice is so damn good that he has to slow down to keep the race mildly entertaining. Heck, he can destroy the competition at 160 beats a minute. Froome could've won by several more minutes.
- Froome will never be busted under Cookson's watch. Cookson= The Manchurian Candidate for Team Sky.
- I wonder if pre-Tour there had been some sort of "gentleman's agreement" made between the favorite in regards to riding clean. Nibali was obviously pissed at Froome early in the competition. My thoughts are that Nibali was irked that Super-Froome didn't follow through with the deal.

1) Interesting take. I don't think there's any doubt that Froome was holding back at times. I think he said in a post-stage interview during the Pyrinees that he wanted to attack, but didn't.
2) Yep.
3) Come on... That's going too far with the conspiracies, even for us.

 

[TheRedSon]

I think Nibali was more likely upset with Froome over how often Froome said "why don't you guys go test Vincenzo?" You know, without actually saying the "Vincenzo" part. I think testing is why Nibali came in so flat and why he stayed flat until late.

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

Re:

I couldn't watch the TDF after week one. It's so blatantly obvious that Froome is doping. A few of my observations and ideas:

- Froome stares at his power meter to ensure he isn't going too fast. His juice is so damn good that he has to slow down to keep the race mildly entertaining. Heck, he can destroy the competition at 160 beats a minute. Froome could've won by several more minutes.
- Froome will never be busted under Cookson's watch. Cookson= The Manchurian Candidate for Team Sky.
- I wonder if pre-Tour there had been some sort of "gentleman's agreement" made between the favorite in regards to riding clean. Nibali was obviously pissed at Froome early in the competition. My thoughts are that Nibali was irked that Super-Froome didn't follow through with the deal.

great 1st post
welcome to the forum....or perhaps not in this case

interesting postion to take after watching only the first week of the tour

1 why would you ride balls out each day when there is no need to? surely saving your legs for what is to come is the wise choice
all c.froome has to do is be the first rider to paris in the shortest time
not win each stage and ride himself into the ground day after day after day
he is absolutely watching the clock, listening to his earpiece and doing what is necessary to stay in the lead and win
so yeah ofc he is holding something back

2 noschitt
uci doesn't like vino
uci doesn't like oleg
uci likes cookson brailsford cooksons son murdoch sky team sky froome walsh etc etc

3 what?
none of these guys are clean
read number 2
astana are / were in the last chance saloon - remember? nibs walking a very fine line as it is
tip toeing around the dope as not to trip the wires
hence the less than top fuelled performance

conatdor cooked from the giro and honestly he looked like he'd rather be somewhere else

btw i am def not a sky froome supporter

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Nibs was annoyed long before this year at Froome, by all accounts.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Tour de France: Chris Froome now stands comparison even to Eddy Merckx
With a place on cycling's Mount Rushmore in sight for Froome, he is now among Britain's sporting greats, writes Oliver Brown

Telegraph headlines

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Knighthood next?

 

[atak1978]

Re:

I couldn't watch the TDF after week one. It's so blatantly obvious that Froome is doping. A few of my observations and ideas:

- Froome stares at his power meter to ensure he isn't going too fast. His juice is so damn good that he has to slow down to keep the race mildly entertaining. Heck, he can destroy the competition at 160 beats a minute. Froome could've won by several more minutes.
- Froome will never be busted under Cookson's watch. Cookson= The Manchurian Candidate for Team Sky.
- I wonder if pre-Tour there had been some sort of "gentleman's agreement" made between the favorite in regards to riding clean. Nibali was obviously pissed at Froome early in the competition. My thoughts are that Nibali was irked that Super-Froome didn't follow through with the deal.

Or;

- He stares at his power meter to measure his efforts as he doesn't have the same acceleration as other punchier riders but can maintain a high work rate over a long period a' la Wiggins. He was clearly suffering in the Alps & lost time as opposed to the days of Lance when he was sprinting up the mountains & eyeballing riders as he passed them.

- The jury's out on Cookson still with his strong ties to Sky but you're assuming that Sky are completely corrupt which has no basis.

- We all know that agreements have been made in races between riders over the years for a variety of reasons ie. riders targeting jerseys in breakaways etc as well as more sinister deals involving people stepping off the gas to get a share of $1m earlier in Lances career. Clearly that is not right. Nibali acted petulantly on more than one occasion during the Tour probably down to the fact that it showed up that he wouldn't have won last year given the same competition.

I think this forum & the good I'm sure it set out to accomplish in calling out genuine cheaters in cycling has become completely skewed. It appears that some people just hate Sky. That's fine - people hate Man Utd in football because they're successful.

I've seen people on here saying that Froome is lying about being spat on etc despite clear video evidence all over the internet/TV. People point out that Froome due to his size shouldn't be able to compete with Quintana, a pure climber much smaller than him but he only won due to time taken earlier in the tour because he knows he can't compete with his climbing. People criticise Skys tactics but it's clearly working for them so why would they change? People have bemoaned this years Tour but with 5 former winners it has been one of the strongest line-ups for years & one of the best I've seen in ages.

There are people on here that just detest Sky. Everyone has the right to their own opinion. One thing that I'd like to point out though - my Son races at Cat D level under 10's. When I take him to the races 75% of the other boys & girls racing are wearing Team Sky kit. I do local TTs & crits & numbers have increased 3 to 4 fold in the last 4 years. British Cycling & Team Sky have directly influenced a whole raft of kids & adults to take up cycling & that surely has to be welcomed? I hope that in years to come we don't find out that this has all been a facade but lets at least start from a point of even handedness & fairness when judging these riders.

Maybe some of the senior posters on here should collaborate on a letter to the UCI/BC/WADA etc & state exactly what it is that would satisfy them with regards to doping controls from here on in; what they want done with existing samples from recent years & any suspicious circumstances involving current riders that they want investigated. Cycling News could publish it & champion it & hopefully some answers & changes will be forthcoming. Surely better that spending the next 30 years calling everyone dopers & bemoaning the lack of excitement in cycling?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

Or;

- He stares at his power meter to measure his efforts as he doesn't have the same acceleration as other punchier riders but can maintain a high work rate over a long period a' la Wiggins.

I'd call a 1000W acceleration @ 100+rpm up an 8% ramp after sustaining a 400W tempo for some duration exactly what a "punchier" rider can do.

Which Froome races have you been watching? Argus pick n pay?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

One thing that I'd like to point out though - my Son races at Cat D level under 10's. When I take him to the races 75% of the other boys & girls racing are wearing Team Sky kit. I do local TTs & crits & numbers have increased 3 to 4 fold in the last 4 years. British Cycling & Team Sky have directly influenced a whole raft of kids & adults to take up cycling & that surely has to be welcomed?

Do you know who said this? Coz it sounds exactly like what you have written above:

"I love him," [redacted] said. "I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense. Even his strongest critics have benefitted from him. I don't think this sport will ever realise what he's brought it or how big he's made it.

"Cycling was in the dark ages before he came along, in many ways. You only have to look at the support along the roads, compared to what it was 20 years ago. The majority of that is because of Lance Armstrong. Obviously he has his enemies and people among the fans who don't like him, but they've all benefitted from him and his existence on the Tour."

 

[Tommy79]

Re: Re:

I couldn't watch the TDF after week one. It's so blatantly obvious that Froome is doping. A few of my observations and ideas:

- Froome stares at his power meter to ensure he isn't going too fast. His juice is so damn good that he has to slow down to keep the race mildly entertaining. Heck, he can destroy the competition at 160 beats a minute. Froome could've won by several more minutes.
- Froome will never be busted under Cookson's watch. Cookson= The Manchurian Candidate for Team Sky.
- I wonder if pre-Tour there had been some sort of "gentleman's agreement" made between the favorite in regards to riding clean. Nibali was obviously pissed at Froome early in the competition. My thoughts are that Nibali was irked that Super-Froome didn't follow through with the deal.

Or;

- He stares at his power meter to measure his efforts as he doesn't have the same acceleration as other punchier riders but can maintain a high work rate over a long period a' la Wiggins. He was clearly suffering in the Alps & lost time as opposed to the days of Lance when he was sprinting up the mountains & eyeballing riders as he passed them.

- The jury's out on Cookson still with his strong ties to Sky but you're assuming that Sky are completely corrupt which has no basis.

- We all know that agreements have been made in races between riders over the years for a variety of reasons ie. riders targeting jerseys in breakaways etc as well as more sinister deals involving people stepping off the gas to get a share of $1m earlier in Lances career. Clearly that is not right. Nibali acted petulantly on more than one occasion during the Tour probably down to the fact that it showed up that he wouldn't have won last year given the same competition.

I think this forum & the good I'm sure it set out to accomplish in calling out genuine cheaters in cycling has become completely skewed. It appears that some people just hate Sky. That's fine - people hate Man Utd in football because they're successful.

I've seen people on here saying that Froome is lying about being spat on etc despite clear video evidence all over the internet/TV. People point out that Froome due to his size shouldn't be able to compete with Quintana, a pure climber much smaller than him but he only won due to time taken earlier in the tour because he knows he can't compete with his climbing. People criticise Skys tactics but it's clearly working for them so why would they change? People have bemoaned this years Tour but with 5 former winners it has been one of the strongest line-ups for years & one of the best I've seen in ages.

There are people on here that just detest Sky. Everyone has the right to their own opinion. One thing that I'd like to point out though - my Son races at Cat D level under 10's. When I take him to the races 75% of the other boys & girls racing are wearing Team Sky kit. I do local TTs & crits & numbers have increased 3 to 4 fold in the last 4 years. British Cycling & Team Sky have directly influenced a whole raft of kids & adults to take up cycling & that surely has to be welcomed? I hope that in years to come we don't find out that this has all been a facade but lets at least start from a point of even handedness & fairness when judging these riders.

Maybe some of the senior posters on here should collaborate on a letter to the UCI/BC/WADA etc & state exactly what it is that would satisfy them with regards to doping controls from here on in; what they want done with existing samples from recent years & any suspicious circumstances involving current riders that they want investigated. Cycling News could publish it & champion it & hopefully some answers & changes will be forthcoming. Surely better that spending the next 30 years calling everyone dopers & bemoaning the lack of excitement in cycling?

Nicely put, a lot of the posts on here are so blinkered with anti-sky sentiment they don't realise how much they are jumping the shark.

The massive conspiracy theory including all of British Cycling, Rupert Murdoch and the UCI is always good for a giggle.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Froome has said he looks down to ease his neck - I was thinking that must be the reason - it does put a hell of a strain on the neck vertebrae and muscles. Quite believeable as opposed to the power meter.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.

Yes, his decline in the third weak indicates that he is human and not blood doping to keep his level constant throughout the Tour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfLQVNavI8Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ign-iDNFTQ

Surely you knew that Armstrong also had fluctuations in his performances?

 

[Cycle Chic]

2015 Tour de France, a record gap

Good article from L'Equipe

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Tour-de-france-2015-des-ecarts-records/577110

The 17th, Roman Kreuziger, is more than an hour of Froome ....Only six riders finished in the same time the Tour de France 2015. Not since 1997 and only triumph of Jan Ullrich to find traces of such skimming. And 1969 to do better than 1h16'13 '' difference between Chris Froome and the twentieth General, Jan Bakelants!

 

[atak1978]

Re: Re:

One thing that I'd like to point out though - my Son races at Cat D level under 10's. When I take him to the races 75% of the other boys & girls racing are wearing Team Sky kit. I do local TTs & crits & numbers have increased 3 to 4 fold in the last 4 years. British Cycling & Team Sky have directly influenced a whole raft of kids & adults to take up cycling & that surely has to be welcomed?

Do you know who said this? Coz it sounds exactly like what you have written above:

"I love him," [redacted] said. "I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense. Even his strongest critics have benefitted from him. I don't think this sport will ever realise what he's brought it or how big he's made it.

"Cycling was in the dark ages before he came along, in many ways. You only have to look at the support along the roads, compared to what it was 20 years ago. The majority of that is because of Lance Armstrong. Obviously he has his enemies and people among the fans who don't like him, but they've all benefitted from him and his existence on the Tour."

I'm sorry but I don't know who said that. I'm sure it doesn't prove that Froome & the rest of Sky are doping though? I completely understand that everyone on here is fed up with the years of lies, as am I. Unfortunately short of sacking off everyone from the perceived 'worst period' of the early 90's regardless of whether they were involved or not I'm not sure what people are calling for. Like I said, the senior members on here with more knowledge than me about doping probably want to get together & put something constructive forward so that the sport can move on. At a grass roots level though cycling is in the best place it has been for years & I can say with some confidence that British kids will be growing up & dominating for years to come so it would be nice if they could do so without having being abused & spat at from the roadside.

 

[Tommy79]

2015 Tour de France, a record gap

Good article from L'Equipe

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Tour-de-france-2015-des-ecarts-records/577110

The 17th, Roman Kreuziger, is more than an hour of Froome ....Only six riders finished in the same time the Tour de France 2015. Not since 1997 and only triumph of Jan Ullrich to find traces of such skimming. And 1969 to do better than 1h16'13 '' difference between Chris Froome and the twentieth General, Jan Bakelants!

Blimey, deep into the pre EPO era then

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

One thing that I'd like to point out though - my Son races at Cat D level under 10's. When I take him to the races 75% of the other boys & girls racing are wearing Team Sky kit. I do local TTs & crits & numbers have increased 3 to 4 fold in the last 4 years. British Cycling & Team Sky have directly influenced a whole raft of kids & adults to take up cycling & that surely has to be welcomed?

Do you know who said this? Coz it sounds exactly like what you have written above:

"I love him," [redacted] said. "I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense. Even his strongest critics have benefitted from him. I don't think this sport will ever realise what he's brought it or how big he's made it.

"Cycling was in the dark ages before he came along, in many ways. You only have to look at the support along the roads, compared to what it was 20 years ago. The majority of that is because of Lance Armstrong. Obviously he has his enemies and people among the fans who don't like him, but they've all benefitted from him and his existence on the Tour."

I'm sorry but I don't know who said that. I'm sure it doesn't prove that Froome & the rest of Sky are doping though? I completely understand that everyone on here is fed up with the years of lies, as am I. Unfortunately short of sacking off everyone from the perceived 'worst period' of the early 90's regardless of whether they were involved or not I'm not sure what people are calling for. Like I said, the senior members on here with more knowledge than me about doping probably want to get together & put something constructive forward so that the sport can move on. At a grass roots level though cycling is in the best place it has been for years & I can say with some confidence that British kids will be growing up & dominating for years to come so it would be nice if they could do so without having being abused & spat at from the roadside.

Do you agree with what Wiggins said about Lance above?

Do you love Lance as well, like Wiggins does?

 

[gazr99]

Re:

Tour de France: Chris Froome now stands comparison even to Eddy Merckx
With a place on cycling's Mount Rushmore in sight for Froome, he is now among Britain's sporting greats, writes Oliver Brown

Telegraph headlines

I thought you were joking. I'm a Froome fan but even I think people who say that are ridiculous.Just read the article who think he will still be at his peak when he's 38, just no.

 

[atak1978]

Re: Re:

One thing that I'd like to point out though - my Son races at Cat D level under 10's. When I take him to the races 75% of the other boys & girls racing are wearing Team Sky kit. I do local TTs & crits & numbers have increased 3 to 4 fold in the last 4 years. British Cycling & Team Sky have directly influenced a whole raft of kids & adults to take up cycling & that surely has to be welcomed?

Do you know who said this? Coz it sounds exactly like what you have written above:

"I love him," [redacted] said. "I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense. Even his strongest critics have benefitted from him. I don't think this sport will ever realise what he's brought it or how big he's made it.

"Cycling was in the dark ages before he came along, in many ways. You only have to look at the support along the roads, compared to what it was 20 years ago. The majority of that is because of Lance Armstrong. Obviously he has his enemies and people among the fans who don't like him, but they've all benefitted from him and his existence on the Tour."

I'm sorry but I don't know who said that. I'm sure it doesn't prove that Froome & the rest of Sky are doping though? I completely understand that everyone on here is fed up with the years of lies, as am I. Unfortunately short of sacking off everyone from the perceived 'worst period' of the early 90's regardless of whether they were involved or not I'm not sure what people are calling for. Like I said, the senior members on here with more knowledge than me about doping probably want to get together & put something constructive forward so that the sport can move on. At a grass roots level though cycling is in the best place it has been for years & I can say with some confidence that British kids will be growing up & dominating for years to come so it would be nice if they could do so without having being abused & spat at from the roadside.

Do you agree with what Wiggins said about Lance above?

Do you love Lance as well, like Wiggins does?

Ha! What do you think? Did he say that before or after Lance was finally caught up with?

 

[blackcat]

everyone knew who Armstrong was you fool