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danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
No one does. The guy went faster up the Alpe than in 2013 this time with bronchitis.
 
AICA ribonucleotide said:
danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
No one does. The guy went faster up the Alpe than in 2013 this time with bronchitis.
He had bonkitis is 2013.
 
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danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
Yes, his decline in the third weak indicates that he is human and not blood doping to keep his level constant throughout the Tour.
 
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Ramon Koran said:
danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
Yes, his decline in the third weak indicates that he is human and not blood doping to keep his level constant throughout the Tour.
I totally agree, same thing happened with Indurain in his days - now you are asking yourself 'who is Indurain?' and quickly go to wikisearch and find out he was showboating for years - he also never tested positive, only once for salbutamol, when that was still regarded as doping, your dog is allowed to puff salbutamol16 times per stage now: cycling is so much cleaner.
 
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AICA ribonucleotide said:
danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
No one does. The guy went faster up the Alpe than in 2013 this time with bronchitis.
You mean when he totally bonked and Porte had to go back to the team car to get some food
 
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Ramon Koran said:
danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
Yes, his decline in the third weak indicates that he is human and not blood doping to keep his level constant throughout the Tour.
I totally agree, same thing happened with Indurain in his days - now you are asking yourself 'who is Indurain?' and quickly go to wikisearch and find out he was showboating for years - he also never tested positive, only once for salbutamol, when that was still regarded as doping, your dog is allowed to puff salbutamol16 times per stage now: cycling is so much cleaner.
FGL for the 'W'. :)
 
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Ramon Koran said:
danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
Yes, his decline in the third weak indicates that he is human and not blood doping to keep his level constant throughout the Tour.
I totally agree, same thing happened with Indurain in his days - now you are asking yourself 'who is Indurain?' and quickly go to wikisearch and find out he was showboating for years - he also never tested positive, only once for salbutamol, when that was still regarded as doping, your dog is allowed to puff salbutamol16 times per stage now: cycling is so much cleaner.
What has indurain got to do with this, his dominance was in the epo era, he was blood doping and destroyed everyone for three weeks (plus giro). Froome is the opposite to indurains pure dominance.
 
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Ramon Koran said:
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Ramon Koran said:
danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
Yes, his decline in the third weak indicates that he is human and not blood doping to keep his level constant throughout the Tour.
I totally agree, same thing happened with Indurain in his days - now you are asking yourself 'who is Indurain?' and quickly go to wikisearch and find out he was showboating for years - he also never tested positive, only once for salbutamol, when that was still regarded as doping, your dog is allowed to puff salbutamol16 times per stage now: cycling is so much cleaner.
What has indurain got to do with this, his dominance was in the epo era, he was blood doping and destroyed everyone for three weeks (plus giro). Froome is the opposite to indurains pure dominance.
Only destroyed everyone in the Giro twice, third try was a bridge too far.
 
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Ramon Koran said:
danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
Yes, his decline in the third weak indicates that he is human and not blood doping to keep his level constant throughout the Tour.
I totally agree, same thing happened with Indurain in his days - now you are asking yourself 'who is Indurain?' and quickly go to wikisearch and find out he was showboating for years - he also never tested positive, only once for salbutamol, when that was still regarded as doping, your dog is allowed to puff salbutamol16 times per stage now: cycling is so much cleaner.
Froome didnt decline really, he put more time on his rivals except Nairo.

Nairo is a pure climber, and with more climbing stages in the legs is better, first mountain stage is always better for a complete rider.

For all the people that think bad, that should be an argument to dont dope...but anyway biopasport just demostrate no blood doping, it is not necesary that...
 
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BYOP88 said:
Ramon Koran said:
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Ramon Koran said:
danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
Yes, his decline in the third weak indicates that he is human and not blood doping to keep his level constant throughout the Tour.
I totally agree, same thing happened with Indurain in his days - now you are asking yourself 'who is Indurain?' and quickly go to wikisearch and find out he was showboating for years - he also never tested positive, only once for salbutamol, when that was still regarded as doping, your dog is allowed to puff salbutamol16 times per stage now: cycling is so much cleaner.
What has indurain got to do with this, his dominance was in the epo era, he was blood doping and destroyed everyone for three weeks (plus giro). Froome is the opposite to indurains pure dominance.
Only destroyed everyone in the Giro twice, third try was a bridge too far.
Yes, but still Froome is knackered after 3 weeks, no way can he be compared to indurain who would destroy everyone at ease.
 
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Ramon Koran said:
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Ramon Koran said:
danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
Yes, his decline in the third weak indicates that he is human and not blood doping to keep his level constant throughout the Tour.
I totally agree, same thing happened with Indurain in his days - now you are asking yourself 'who is Indurain?' and quickly go to wikisearch and find out he was showboating for years - he also never tested positive, only once for salbutamol, when that was still regarded as doping, your dog is allowed to puff salbutamol16 times per stage now: cycling is so much cleaner.
What has indurain got to do with this, his dominance was in the epo era, he was blood doping and destroyed everyone for three weeks (plus giro). Froome is the opposite to indurains pure dominance.
Indurain would have been lucky to finish better than fourth in this Tour at his very best level, and that only because Nibali got caught out in the echelons and raced flat for two weeks.
 
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Ramon Koran said:
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Ramon Koran said:
danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
Yes, his decline in the third weak indicates that he is human and not blood doping to keep his level constant throughout the Tour.
I totally agree, same thing happened with Indurain in his days - now you are asking yourself 'who is Indurain?' and quickly go to wikisearch and find out he was showboating for years - he also never tested positive, only once for salbutamol, when that was still regarded as doping, your dog is allowed to puff salbutamol16 times per stage now: cycling is so much cleaner.
What has indurain got to do with this, his dominance was in the epo era, he was blood doping and destroyed everyone for three weeks (plus giro). Froome is the opposite to indurains pure dominance.
NEWSFLASH: We are still in the EPO era.

Your welcome.
 
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TheRedSon said:
Ramon Koran said:
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Ramon Koran said:
danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
Yes, his decline in the third weak indicates that he is human and not blood doping to keep his level constant throughout the Tour.
I totally agree, same thing happened with Indurain in his days - now you are asking yourself 'who is Indurain?' and quickly go to wikisearch and find out he was showboating for years - he also never tested positive, only once for salbutamol, when that was still regarded as doping, your dog is allowed to puff salbutamol16 times per stage now: cycling is so much cleaner.
What has indurain got to do with this, his dominance was in the epo era, he was blood doping and destroyed everyone for three weeks (plus giro). Froome is the opposite to indurains pure dominance.
Indurain would have been lucky to finish better than fourth in this Tour at his very best level, and that only because Nibali got caught out in the echelons and raced flat for two weeks.
Indurain would have won this tour, fastest in the prologue, would hang on to Froome and Quintana in every mountain.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Ramon Koran said:
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Ramon Koran said:
danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
Yes, his decline in the third weak indicates that he is human and not blood doping to keep his level constant throughout the Tour.
I totally agree, same thing happened with Indurain in his days - now you are asking yourself 'who is Indurain?' and quickly go to wikisearch and find out he was showboating for years - he also never tested positive, only once for salbutamol, when that was still regarded as doping, your dog is allowed to puff salbutamol16 times per stage now: cycling is so much cleaner.
What has indurain got to do with this, his dominance was in the epo era, he was blood doping and destroyed everyone for three weeks (plus giro). Froome is the opposite to indurains pure dominance.
NEWSFLASH: We are still in the EPO era.

Your welcome.
Well, I guess you can prove that can you? Seriously cycling nowadays is nothing like pre 2006. Lots of ups and downs, no superhuman performances...
 
NEWSFLASH: We are still in the EPO era.

Your welcome.[/quote]

Too true! The only difference now from the 90s is teams have to micro dose to stay under the radar. Makes them look more human.
 
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The Hitch said:
Ramon Koran said:
danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
Yes, his decline in the third weak indicates that he is human and not blood doping to keep his level constant throughout the Tour.
He asked for a simple "yes" or "no" answer, not for a "yes + random troll bait thrown in".
I was justifying why I think such is the case. Saying "yes" is hardly constructive.
 
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Tangled Tango said:
Too true! The only difference now from the 90s is teams have to micro dose to stay under the radar. Makes them look more human.
We actually dont know what teams and which teams have to do that. Till we get a whistleblower from these recent years.

Froome and Co could be back to epo'ing big time as UCI control the doping.
 
BullsFan22 said:
How long before Froome gets busted? 1 week (Landis style), 2 months (Contador style), 1 year, 5 years, 7 years (Armstrong style)?
It took 35 years for Drew McMaster to expose the ridiculous Alan Wells. When the British lie they lie big!
 
Ramon Koran
Well, I guess you can prove that can you? Seriously cycling nowadays is nothing like pre 2006. Lots of ups and downs, no superhuman performances...

Kenyan athletes are still being busted for EPO. It's a risk worth running because it's difficult to detect. Apologies, did I say Kenyan? :cool:
 
Dear Wiggo said:
Ramon Koran said:
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Ramon Koran said:
danielovichdk2 said:
Anyone believe Froome has raced clean at this TdF ?

Don't re-discuss his entire career, his Tdf '13 or his arms sticking out. Just, whether you believe what you have been a witness to, is a clean performance or not.
Yes, his decline in the third weak indicates that he is human and not blood doping to keep his level constant throughout the Tour.
I totally agree, same thing happened with Indurain in his days - now you are asking yourself 'who is Indurain?' and quickly go to wikisearch and find out he was showboating for years - he also never tested positive, only once for salbutamol, when that was still regarded as doping, your dog is allowed to puff salbutamol16 times per stage now: cycling is so much cleaner.
What has indurain got to do with this, his dominance was in the epo era, he was blood doping and destroyed everyone for three weeks (plus giro). Froome is the opposite to indurains pure dominance.
NEWSFLASH: We are still in the EPO era.

Your welcome.
That is not true, there is a fact that most of riders finish Tour now with 40 hematocric.. In the EPO era a lot were at 50 or more, and that is the difference between EPO era and this era.

Yoy can especulate if the peloton is totally clean or not but you cant deny a fact.

I have a poster of Indurain in my room, but I think that although he has an amazing breast and heart, EPO era was there and Sabino Padilla was his doctor...
 

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