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Dear Wiggo said:
Froome spent most of 2007 being trained by WCC in Aigle. Racing the U23 races with them. He came 2nd in the B World champs which is what allegedly attracted the CC coach, Theze to him.

His true potential is then revealed at the U23 world championships where he comes a stellar 41st.

I checked the race report from the day. There was no mention of a Froome-specific head wind.

I also note the B worlds were in Cape Town. South Africa. You know. Just up the road from where he lives. Unlike the worlds 3 months later in Stuttgart.

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1. he came 2nd in a TT - he can TT on a TT bike
2. he came 41st - he can still TT, he's just sht
3. this is the performance of a rider Theze has the gall to describe as a "Hinault". fck off.
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I talked a lot about this in my article about Froome story.

Just to say he has not talent becouse he was 41th in that ITT is just you dont know a lot about cycling.

Troll.
 
If he did well, he would almost certainly be retained and could dream on. Do badly and even his £80,000-a-year contract - for effectively being Wiggins’s servant - would be in serious jeopardy.
During a race in which he surprisingly excelled, finishing second, he began suffering from a burning skin condition. He had to pour water over himself to relieve the pain. The condition was misdiagnosed as eczema by another Sky doctor, Geert Leinders, who prescribed creams. Leinders was later dismissed after his historic role in a doping regime at a former team came to light.

The condition was also misdiagnosed by a GP in South Africa who Froome visited in November 2011, when he again tested positive for bilharzia and had yet another course of treatment.

Only later, after extensive private research by Froome’s girlfriend, now fiancée, Michelle Cound, was the skin complaint identified as urticaria. It is now treated with an antihistamine.

Ailments continued to dog Froome into 2012. A chest complaint forced his withdrawal from the Tour of the Algarve. Another Sky doctor, Richard Usher, was advised by a medical acquaintance to have Froome tested at a hospital in Nice. He had numerous tests, including one for bilharzia, which incorrectly said he was free of it.

Still feeling unwell, he went back to Dr Chunge in Nairobi in March 2012. Not only was the bilharzia still there but Chunge also found typhoid and blastocystosis, the first treated with Gabbroral and Azimax, the second with Orfix, all antibiotics.

Froome recovered just in time for the 2012 Tour de France, where he shot to international attention as a man who looked like he could challenge Wiggins’ supremacy. He helped Wiggins become Britain’s first Tour winner and took second place himself.

It was clear to Team Sky by now that he was a major talent and, when he went for bilharzia testing at the London Hospital for Tropical Diseases in November 2012, Team Sky doctors contacted Dr Chunge in Kenya for Froome’s detailed history.

Unfortunately the test came back negative, falsely. Dr Alan Fenwick, director of the Schistosomiasis Control Initiative at Imperial College, London, said: ‘I can’t believe he would still be infected after four treatments when he was at that age. Hardly anybody I know has had eggs in their stool and in their urine after three treatments when they haven’t been reinfected — and it’s hard to imagine he’d be reinfected when he’s a first-class athlete who knows about schistosomiasis.’

Dr Chunge said Froome had ‘an unusual number of treatments’ but added: ‘It is difficult to determine if the 2011 doses [in France and South Africa] were adequate.’

Cound remained unconvinced at the end of 2012 that European doctors knew enough about a complex problem and, at her insistence, Froome underwent more tests in 2013 in South Africa. Two tests at two separate labs came back positive and Froome was given a heavier dose of Praziquantel.
Finally it worked, although Froome was not to know it until a negative blood test in November 2013. By then his performances had started to show the remarkable rider he is, winning five major races including the Tour de France.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2673588/Chris-Froomes-secret-battle-Eight-doctors-six-clinics-four-countries-five-different-illnesses-remarkable-personal-struggle-Great-Britains-Tour-France-champion.html#ixzz3iH8NL4WE
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Dear Wiggo said:
Taxus4a said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Froome spent most of 2007 being trained by WCC in Aigle. Racing the U23 races with them. He came 2nd in the B World champs which is what allegedly attracted the CC coach, Theze to him.

His true potential is then revealed at the U23 world championships where he comes a stellar 41st.

I checked the race report from the day. There was no mention of a Froome-specific head wind.

I also note the B worlds were in Cape Town. South Africa. You know. Just up the road from where he lives. Unlike the worlds 3 months later in Stuttgart.

Note:
1. he came 2nd in a TT - he can TT on a TT bike
2. he came 41st - he can still TT, he's just sht
3. this is the performance of a rider Theze has the gall to describe as a "Hinault". fck off.
CLHTABVUkAA-GlZ.png:large

I talked a lot about this in my article about Froome story.

Just to say he has not talent becouse he was 41th in that ITT is just you dont know a lot about cycling.

Troll.


Oh, big arguments. I could say the same to you.

I wrote my long article just to dont be always answered the same argument in these kind of forums, becoue tu understand froome story must put in perspertive and is not a question of 10 lines in a post. If you are not agree in something, well, tell, and argue, but in 2007 Froome was almost starting in cycling, he came from Africa, and he could even have the infection already.

Second was Ignatiev, Do that means he was much talented?

Less than 1 minute in 30 Km ITT with people as Rui costa is not too much for a new rider came from Africa with a lot to learn is not too much. I remember that circuit, quite techincal, he could have a mistake like in last Vuelta, I didnt see his performance and heard him that day, if you take this year worse day you have a worse result than that: http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27362 nd nobody doubt he is at least one of the best riders now.

Do you Know even if the puncture that day or he had a problem? it is not necessary, but to take that conclusion for a day he wanst with the best is not logical.

Even, are you sure all the rest riders werent doping? We know that is not, but you just considerr things in one way.

Does we know the conditions?, maybe he was at the begining with worse weather condiction or wind...

You are taking too much conclusion with no enought data and people who do that just dont know a lot about cycling, all the stories anyway are not the same.

Why you didnt take his best result that year as this one?

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=5298
http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=6238

He won as well, with an impresive performance, Mi-Août Bretonne

Are these result of a bad rider?

In general he was always with the best.

It is his worse result of the year,
 
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Ailments continued to dog Froome into 2012. A chest complaint forced his withdrawal from the Tour of the Algarve.

Taxus Taxus Taxus my English as a second language friend, how cute, dog Froome. I assume you have used the noun, not verb. Dog Froome, that is a new take on Froome-dawg. I think we need to update the bibliography/glossary thread.

it is a new shtick on the Anglophile anglophones, this is an pidgin inversion. chapeau Taxus
 
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in 2007 Froome was almost starting in cycling

I strenuously disagree.

These are his results in amateur races that date back to 2001.

Perhaps you could reconsider your claim that he was only just starting cycling in 2007?

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If he had bilharzia all that time unknown he would have been pissing and shtting blood.

I think perhaps the "had Bilharzia for years but didn't know" argument needs to be shelved.

Sincerely.
 
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Better explanation for that 41 for Froome that year is he was 3 days with the group after a solo counter attack. He could pay that effort compared other riders that reserved for the ITT.

What?

You don't solo counter attack in a TT.

What on earth are you talking about.
 
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blackcat said:
Taxus4a said:
Ailments continued to dog Froome into 2012. A chest complaint forced his withdrawal from the Tour of the Algarve.

Taxus Taxus Taxus my English as a second language friend, how cute, dog Froome. I assume you have used the noun, not verb. Dog Froome, that is a new take on Froome-dawg. I think we need to update the bibliography/glossary thread.

it is a new shtick on the Anglophile anglophones, this is an pidgin inversion. chapeau Taxus

I just copy and paste an english article talking about that.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Taxus4a said:
Better explanation for that 41 for Froome that year is he was 3 days with the group after a solo counter attack. He could pay that effort compared other riders that reserved for the ITT.

What?

You don't solo counter attack in a TT.

What on earth are you talking about.

He was 3 days before... i missed a word, but of couse if you read everything you understand what I am tallking about, so, dont kidding.
 
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Taxus4a said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Taxus4a said:
Better explanation for that 41 for Froome that year is he was 3 days with the group after a solo counter attack. He could pay that effort compared other riders that reserved for the ITT.

What?

You don't solo counter attack in a TT.

What on earth are you talking about.

He was 3 days before... i missed a word, but of couse if you read everything you understand what I am tallking about, so, dont kidding.

Nope, still no idea what the frack you are talking about.

How about you stop playing games, and tell us what you are talking about.

3 days before what?
He was doing what?
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
in 2007 Froome was almost starting in cycling

I strenuously disagree.

These are his results in amateur races that date back to 2001.

Perhaps you could reconsider your claim that he was only just starting cycling in 2007?

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Just starting cycling compared most of european cyclist. That are not important races, some of them are like here cyclotourist... but as everything I promise inform better about., before to have a better opinion of that, I am happy you answer with argument.
 
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Taxus4a said:
Dear Wiggo said:
in 2007 Froome was almost starting in cycling

I strenuously disagree.

These are his results in amateur races that date back to 2001.

Perhaps you could reconsider your claim that he was only just starting cycling in 2007?

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Just starting cycling compared most of european cyclist. That are not important races, some of them are like here cyclotourist... but as everything I promise inform better about., before to have a better opinion of that, I am happy you answer with argument.

He'd been racing for 6 years.

Theze was prepared to lie about Froome being noticeable with crap results like the ones in that list, and that's why he was accepted to WCC.

Theze then says he had physiology like Hinault.

But his results are nothing like Hinault.

You can keep making up pathetic excuses for his inability to ride, but bottom line, he dopes now, and that's the problem.

If the races are not important, then wonderboy should be smashing everyone there. Instead, he's crap. Utter crap. Brown, runny, smelly crap.
 
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Taxus4a said:

Because they don't mean crap.

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=5300
http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=6239

He finished top 10 or worse.

He was crap and still would be without the pharmacy pumped into his body.

do you know how many times he crashed in that race, I do.

he was fat and he didnt know how to race, someone said that in that moment, but was impresed by him, expert said then he was the strongest that race. and more than that race.
 
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Taxus4a said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Taxus4a said:

Because they don't mean crap.

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=5300
http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=6239

He finished top 10 or worse.

He was crap and still would be without the pharmacy pumped into his body.

do you know how many times he crashed in that race, I do.

he was fat and he didnt know how to race, someone said that in that moment, but was impresed by him, expert said then he was the strongest that race. and more than that race.

Ah I see.

So if he gets a good result in a stage, that proves he was a great rider.
If he goes crap overall, that's coz he crashed and had a lot to learn about racing.

Heads you win, tails I lose right? Is that it?

That expert was training him for 2007. And he came 41st against real world class riders, not the continental riders he was racing in the races you chose to show.

Froome was crap. And still is. The pharmacy running through his veins makes him good, and nothing else.
 
Froome needed to develop, no more. he showed always very good performance and even results, that way he pass from to be in 2006 riding Mauritous in a local team to be in le Tour in 2008 with the best at the begining of alp d huez after Galibier and Croix de fer and with the best in the last ITT.

Froome starting cycling with 19, late, before he just race cyclotourist events, it was just a game for him, a hobby, and I would say even with 19 it was just a hobby, but we could say he started.

He did great progession from the begining and he did good results in 2008, lot of people talked about his potential, i followed him then and I was dissaponted in 2009 and 2010 becouse althouh he was sometimes ok, he didnt progress,I was dissapointed becouse he was a talented and promising rider, of course.

if you think he was a crap, it is just your opinion, so be more polite.
 
If you were an expert in cycling you will know that to know if a rider is good or not or if he can be one day a Tour winner, is not a question if he has very good result from the begining, it is a question of a lot of things.

I believe Carlos Verona could win in the future tour de France, and he is not getting big result now, and more if you compared woth people even younger.

Cycling is more complicated than that, anywaym the power of Froome is more his mind that his natural strengh, who is anyway big acording they said in Aigle and some other people.
 
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What I do know is that talent shows itself, and early. There's no way Froome would have the physiology of one of the best cyclists in the world and ride like he did in SA over 100km.
 
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These are his results in amateur races that date back to 2001.

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Thanks for posting this. Pretty much proof that Froome has next to no natural ability as a bike rider, even when riding nothing more than glorified club runs. There isn't even any sign of his ability progressing over those 6 years!

A far cry from those tales of all those riders with true natural talent. You know the sort of thing, "As a schoolboy he dreamed about being a cyclist. He begged to be allowed to ride a local schoolboy race on his mother's shopping bike. They laughed at him but he left the field for dead and won the race. By the time he was 21 he had already won the Giro d'Italia..." Michael Hutchinson, the British time trial champion has talked a lot of sense about how true talent shows itself early. (As in his own case where, in what was only his second event, he did a 19-minute '10'!)
 
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If you were an expert in cycling you will know that to know if a rider is good or not or if he can be one day a Tour winner, is not a question if he has very good result from the begining, it is a question of a lot of things.

I believe Carlos Verona could win in the future tour de France, and he is not getting big result now, and more if you compared woth people even younger.

Cycling is more complicated than that, anywaym the power of Froome is more his mind that his natural strengh, who is anyway big acording they said in Aigle and some other people.
The fact that some riders are good at a very young age but never go on to become great, does not disprove the claim "if you have major talent it shows early". You would need an example of a rider who was average for years and eventually became (one of) the best in the world.