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Nick C. said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Can anyone remind me on the progress that Cookson has made?
His companies and/or family are not promoting bike races in distant lands that get fast tracked onto the WorldTour (or whatever the name du joor is) calendar. and, and, and, um, er, um
Cookson is busy taking selfie's with cyclists that he is a fan of, attending UCI gala events in Dubai and re-watching footage of cameras on bikes for fun. Occasionally he speaks and releases a PDF file on some random no-name pro he was caught doping. He does let off English speaking riders like Froome, Impey and Rogers when he gets bored though.

Most of the time they try and keep Brian away from interviews as he tends to fluff his lines and suggest a rider has extreme blood values.
 
thehog said:
gillan1969 said:
The 2006 top three whilst solid pros have not exactly set the world alight…I know Mcauley as he rode in the UK I think but from memory was a sort of burly one day specialist…never really known for his TT ability…..looking at the palmares of the other two medallists…well…they never really bothered the top end of a world class TT….ever. It’s not like there were world class Commie riders like Obree, Millar, Boardman, Yates, Dowsett in the field…so he loses 5.20 over 53 mins in what is in effect a national standard TT….and that is what really catches Sir Dave’s eye….
Fairly funny isn't it?.... DB is outright lying here.
meanwhile...the guy he's whipping up the mountains...you know the tiny wee columbian guy...had knocked in a Tour de L'Avenir when a year younger.... test. face. straight. Wonder if Sir Dave goes to the Avenir...you know, to see...what might the french call it....the future :)
 
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thehog said:
Nick C. said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Can anyone remind me on the progress that Cookson has made?
His companies and/or family are not promoting bike races in distant lands that get fast tracked onto the WorldTour (or whatever the name du joor is) calendar. and, and, and, um, er, um
Cookson is busy taking selfie's with cyclists that he is a fan of, attending UCI gala events in Dubai and re-watching footage of cameras on bikes for fun. Occasionally he speaks and releases a PDF file on some random no-name pro he was caught doping. He does let off English speaking riders like Froome, Impey and Rogers when he gets bored though.

Most of the time they try and keep Brian away from interviews as he tends to fluff his lines and suggest a rider has extreme blood values.
Ah, the UCI prom. Where we saw the results of the push for more visibility for women's cycling, with the one female cyclist that apparently was invited. You might've missed seeing her however, as most cycling sites felt the need to include at most one photo of her (usually in a line of a bunch of guys + Laura Meseguer). But hey, the sites included lots of photos of Laura, so, score one for "Lady Cycling" (to use Ryo's term).

Oh, and there's the new one day women's race in Paris that didn't actually pay out any of the prize money. But still, it got a lot of publicity for Lady Cycling, so thanks Cookie! Good job :rolleyes:
 
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Beech Mtn said:
thehog said:
Nick C. said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Can anyone remind me on the progress that Cookson has made?
His companies and/or family are not promoting bike races in distant lands that get fast tracked onto the WorldTour (or whatever the name du joor is) calendar. and, and, and, um, er, um
Cookson is busy taking selfie's with cyclists that he is a fan of, attending UCI gala events in Dubai and re-watching footage of cameras on bikes for fun. Occasionally he speaks and releases a PDF file on some random no-name pro he was caught doping. He does let off English speaking riders like Froome, Impey and Rogers when he gets bored though.

Most of the time they try and keep Brian away from interviews as he tends to fluff his lines and suggest a rider has extreme blood values.
Ah, the UCI prom. Where we saw the results of the push for more visibility for women's cycling, with the one female cyclist that apparently was invited. You might've missed seeing her however, as most cycling sites felt the need to include at most one photo of her (usually in a line of a bunch of guys + Laura Meseguer). But hey, the sites included lots of photos of Laura, so, score one for "Lady Cycling" (to use Ryo's term).

Oh, and there's the new one day women's race in Paris that didn't actually pay out any of the prize money. But still, it got a lot of publicity for Lady Cycling, so thanks Cookie! Good job :rolleyes:
LOL! The UCI Prom, yes! plenty of selfies taken with Laura Meseguer and Brian's beard.

Cookson's manifesto is looking more and more hilarious by the day.
 
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Beech Mtn said:
thehog said:
Nick C. said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Can anyone remind me on the progress that Cookson has made?
His companies and/or family are not promoting bike races in distant lands that get fast tracked onto the WorldTour (or whatever the name du joor is) calendar. and, and, and, um, er, um
Cookson is busy taking selfie's with cyclists that he is a fan of, attending UCI gala events in Dubai and re-watching footage of cameras on bikes for fun. Occasionally he speaks and releases a PDF file on some random no-name pro he was caught doping. He does let off English speaking riders like Froome, Impey and Rogers when he gets bored though.

Most of the time they try and keep Brian away from interviews as he tends to fluff his lines and suggest a rider has extreme blood values.
Ah, the UCI prom. Where we saw the results of the push for more visibility for women's cycling, with the one female cyclist that apparently was invited. You might've missed seeing her however, as most cycling sites felt the need to include at most one photo of her (usually in a line of a bunch of guys + Laura Meseguer). But hey, the sites included lots of photos of Laura, so, score one for "Lady Cycling" (to use Ryo's term).

Oh, and there's the new one day women's race in Paris that didn't actually pay out any of the prize money. But still, it got a lot of publicity for Lady Cycling, so thanks Cookie! Good job :rolleyes:
Good post.
 
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Archibald said:
Dear Wiggo said:
harryh said:
thehog said:
If Froome was holding 5.7w/kg for one hour FTP test in 2007 at 70kg's then he would have been winning just about every race he was in.
Jussi Veikkanen's FTP was 5.65 w/kg. Not won too much.
He came 5th at the (fricken) Comm Games TT 3 years later, 2 minutes behind the winner, Mr squeaky clean Millar.



I've asked Dr Michael Hutchinson if he has his W/kg from the TT on twitter but not sure if he's willing to answer. Doesn't factor in aero etc but still some sort of gauge.

For the record, I am doubting Froome was doing 5.7W/kg.
6th place looks interesting at nearly another minute further back...
Not really. Dennis was 18yo, Durbridge 19 and Dowsett 20. I suspect that Millar did what he had to do and not much more, as he was probably one of the world's top 5 ITT'ers at the time.
 
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ebandit said:
...........only here in the clinic can a positive be turned into a negative with such enthusiasm............

again...........i see good teamwork........................the foundation for cycling success

Mark L
Indeed, and if you look at the picture Froome has an injured knee, so clearly he was going to be in support mode. But hey, lets just keep trooping out this picture as its clearly central to the argument.
 
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TheSpud said:
ebandit said:
...........only here in the clinic can a positive be turned into a negative with such enthusiasm............

again...........i see good teamwork........................the foundation for cycling success

Mark L
Indeed, and if you look at the picture Froome has an injured knee, so clearly he was going to be in support mode. But hey, lets just keep trooping out this picture as its clearly central to the argument.
Is this serious? :D using a bandage on his knee to explain why he had to give away his bike? :D
 
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TheSpud said:
ebandit said:
...........only here in the clinic can a positive be turned into a negative with such enthusiasm............

again...........i see good teamwork........................the foundation for cycling success

Mark L
Indeed, and if you look at the picture Froome has an injured knee, so clearly he was going to be in support mode. But hey, lets just keep trooping out this picture as its clearly central to the argument.
i think its shows the humility of the man...here is the real talent..taking one for the team ;)
 
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LaFlorecita said:
TheSpud said:
ebandit said:
...........only here in the clinic can a positive be turned into a negative with such enthusiasm............

again...........i see good teamwork........................the foundation for cycling success

Mark L
Indeed, and if you look at the picture Froome has an injured knee, so clearly he was going to be in support mode. But hey, lets just keep trooping out this picture as its clearly central to the argument.
Is this serious? :D using a bandage on his knee to explain why he had to give away his bike? :D
I think if he was injured, which said bandage (looks more like a swab covering a gash) would suggest he would be in a support role, therefore expected to give up his bike for another rider who wasn't hurt/ injured. That's how a team works doesn't it?
 
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TheSpud said:
LaFlorecita said:
TheSpud said:
ebandit said:
...........only here in the clinic can a positive be turned into a negative with such enthusiasm............

again...........i see good teamwork........................the foundation for cycling success

Mark L
Indeed, and if you look at the picture Froome has an injured knee, so clearly he was going to be in support mode. But hey, lets just keep trooping out this picture as its clearly central to the argument.
Is this serious? :D using a bandage on his knee to explain why he had to give away his bike? :D
I think if he was injured, which said bandage (looks more like a swab covering a gash) would suggest he would be in a support role, therefore expected to give up his bike for another rider who wasn't hurt/ injured. That's how a team works doesn't it?
are you suggesting that without the 'knee problem' he would have been a protected rider?
 
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TheSpud said:
I think if he was injured, which said bandage (looks more like a swab covering a gash) would suggest he would be in a support role, therefore expected to give up his bike for another rider who wasn't hurt/ injured. That's how a team works doesn't it?
So bandage equals clean, because as we know the grupetto never dopes, according to Wiggo.

Someone should've told Gaimon not to get a tattoo of a bar of soap, just wear a bandage.

Logic fail!
 
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gillan1969 said:
TheSpud said:
LaFlorecita said:
TheSpud said:
ebandit said:
...........only here in the clinic can a positive be turned into a negative with such enthusiasm............

again...........i see good teamwork........................the foundation for cycling success

Mark L
Indeed, and if you look at the picture Froome has an injured knee, so clearly he was going to be in support mode. But hey, lets just keep trooping out this picture as its clearly central to the argument.
Is this serious? :D using a bandage on his knee to explain why he had to give away his bike? :D
I think if he was injured, which said bandage (looks more like a swab covering a gash) would suggest he would be in a support role, therefore expected to give up his bike for another rider who wasn't hurt/ injured. That's how a team works doesn't it?
are you suggesting that without the 'knee problem' he would have been a protected rider?
No, i'm using opposite logic - the fact that he was injured means he was less likely to be a protected rider than, say, the guy he gave his bike too. Either way this picture, in my view, is a complete irrelevance to what the test results will tell us even though it seems to get dragged up all the time.
 
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Benotti69 said:
TheSpud said:
I think if he was injured, which said bandage (looks more like a swab covering a gash) would suggest he would be in a support role, therefore expected to give up his bike for another rider who wasn't hurt/ injured. That's how a team works doesn't it?
So bandage equals clean, because as we know the grupetto never dopes, according to Wiggo.

Someone should've told Gaimon not to get a tattoo of a bar of soap, just wear a bandage.

Logic fail!
I didn't say that. I'm saying the picture is irrelevant to what any test results will tell us, yet it seems to be a major piece of evidence for a lot of people. If I showed you a picture of someone holding a gun would that make them a suspected murderer?
 
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TheSpud said:
gillan1969 said:
are you suggesting that without the 'knee problem' he would have been a protected rider?
No, i'm using opposite logic - the fact that he was injured means he was less likely to be a protected rider than, say, the guy he gave his bike too. Either way this picture, in my view, is a complete irrelevance to what the test results will tell us even though it seems to get dragged up all the time.
He had a patch on his knee. How does that equate to injured? Road rash is not an injury. Froome was grupetto fodder till he transformed with PEDs. He was bottom of Sky's pecking order and on his way out of the team, of course he had to give his bike.

The picture is extremely important in pointing out this guy was not considered a talent at sky, they were trying to offload him to other teams. He gave up his bike for others. Not because he was injured,because he was no good.

Stop obfuscating.
 
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TheSpud said:
Benotti69 said:
TheSpud said:
I think if he was injured, which said bandage (looks more like a swab covering a gash) would suggest he would be in a support role, therefore expected to give up his bike for another rider who wasn't hurt/ injured. That's how a team works doesn't it?
So bandage equals clean, because as we know the grupetto never dopes, according to Wiggo.

Someone should've told Gaimon not to get a tattoo of a bar of soap, just wear a bandage.

Logic fail!
I didn't say that. I'm saying the picture is irrelevant to what any test results will tell us, yet it seems to be a major piece of evidence for a lot of people. If I showed you a picture of someone holding a gun would that make them a suspected murderer?
This thread is not just to discuss the test results, which will be funny, but to discuss Froome.

It is a major piece of evidence. Got any pictures of Hinault, Merckx, Indurain, Armstrong, Ullrich giving up their bike for a team mate? Because we are told Froome has the same natural talent these guys had as dopers!
 
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Benotti69 said:
TheSpud said:
gillan1969 said:
are you suggesting that without the 'knee problem' he would have been a protected rider?
No, i'm using opposite logic - the fact that he was injured means he was less likely to be a protected rider than, say, the guy he gave his bike too. Either way this picture, in my view, is a complete irrelevance to what the test results will tell us even though it seems to get dragged up all the time.
He had a patch on his knee. How does that equate to injured? Road rash is not an injury. Froome was grupetto fodder till he transformed with PEDs. He was bottom of Sky's pecking order and on his way out of the team, of course he had to give his bike.

The picture is extremely important in pointing out this guy was not considered a talent at sky, they were trying to offload him to other teams. He gave up his bike for others. Not because he was injured,because he was no good.

Stop obfuscating.
If you are the fountain of knowledge for cycling you'd know that he was in fact injured - he had knee issues which is why he was hanging on to the police motorbike, or have you conveniently forgotten that?

Stop obfuscating...
 
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Benotti69 said:
This thread is not just to discuss the test results, which will be funny, but to discuss Froome.

It is a major piece of evidence. Got any pictures of Hinault, Merckx, Indurain, Armstrong, Ullrich giving up their bike for a team mate? Because we are told Froome has the same natural talent these guys had as dopers!
You're obviously going to take an open mind on the results then ...
 
I've enjoyed all the recent discussions about training numbers and FTP ***edited by mods***

Bandage on his knee alludes to his doping? And all the people ***edited by mods*** with doping talk. Come on, this is really scraping the barrel.

Do some background on the picture. Froome was riding as a domestique, the picture shows Giro 2010 stage 10 and was a stage win possibility for Greg Henderson, hence why Froome is trying to get him back into the stage. Froome was also complaining of knee problems so it's reasonable that he would stop to help his team-mate out.
 
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TheSpud said:
Benotti69 said:
This thread is not just to discuss the test results, which will be funny, but to discuss Froome.

It is a major piece of evidence. Got any pictures of Hinault, Merckx, Indurain, Armstrong, Ullrich giving up their bike for a team mate? Because we are told Froome has the same natural talent these guys had as dopers!
You're obviously going to take an open mind on the results then ...
Don't want to admit the picture is important than.

But more obfuscation hey!

One doesn't need to have an open mind about forthcoming results.

Froome/Sky have laid it out how they approach these things many times previously.

That fans are holding their breath hoping against the mountain of previous lack of transparency, lies, fake diseases, so called bad tactics, bad bike ability, clean athletes able to beat doped times, marginal gains, pineapple juice in bidons, no nutella, washing hands, pillow cases, testing a joke, Cookson's son working for Sky, etc etc.......really does make one wonder even if Froome were somehow against the odds test positive it would not be believed.
 

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